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[ZerebusPrime]

Noticed something possibly profound.

After Anderson "dies" and Hackett radios Shepard, Shepard asks "what do you need me to do?" ...while simultaneously grunting in the background. In fact, he continues to speak in the foreground, drunkenly, while grunting in the background simultaneously as he moves towards the console.

The point here is that Shepard can either do one or the other: grunt or talk. He's only got one set of lungs. And yet.... he does both.

Go listen and see.

[MegumiAzusa]

hmm Sheps last words:
"And I'll die free."

That says everything there is to say in my opinion.


Also notice how Sheps voice changes
"I fight for freedom, mine and everyones."
coughing, weak voice
"I fight for the right to choose our own fate."
no coughing anymore, voice gets a little stronger
"And if I die, I die knowing that I did everything that I could to stop you."
Sheps voice gets progressively stronger, even enhanced by the changing music
"And I'll die free."
no traces of weakness or uncertainty.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

It's really sad that the community here is fading a bit, because the Refuse ending solves every problem I ever had with IT... (assuming that refusal would also lead to breaking indoctrination, of course.)

[EpyonX3]

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Harbinger's Epic One Liner!

So you also heard it?

I heard it my first playthrough and thought it was cool! I still don't hear english though. You can try to make it sound like whatever you want it to but it's not clear enough.

What's your Shepard's background in the playthrough you recorded it from?

That's the sound file itself. No other sound effects loaded.

I hear "Save Us". Try searching for "Join Us." I think I heard it too in a different video.

I can tell the "Us" part but the first part is gibberish.

[paxxton]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

hmm Sheps last words:
"And I'll die free."

That says everything there is to say in my opinion.


Also notice how Sheps voice changes
"I fight for freedom, mine and everyones."
coughing, weak voice
"I fight for the right to choose our own fate."
no coughing anymore, voice gets a little stronger
"And if I die, I die knowing that I did everything that I could to stop you."
Sheps voice gets progressively stronger, even enhanced by the changing music
"And I'll die free."
no traces of weakness or uncertainty.

I was afraid he might have shot himself and was relieved he didn't do it. Suicide would be stupid.

[boeloe]

paxxton wrote...

LT123 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Harbinger's Epic One Liner!

So you also heard it?

Whoa. When is this? After the squadmates get picked up? 

Yes. Just before the hit.

I threw the file into audacity disabled background channels and sped it up a bit. My best guess is "serve us" or "service" but that one doesn't make any sense.

[EpyonX3]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

hmm Sheps last words:
"And I'll die free."

That says everything there is to say in my opinion.


Also notice how Sheps voice changes
"I fight for freedom, mine and everyones."
coughing, weak voice
"I fight for the right to choose our own fate."
no coughing anymore, voice gets a little stronger
"And if I die, I die knowing that I did everything that I could to stop you."
Sheps voice gets progressively stronger, even enhanced by the changing music
"And I'll die free."
no traces of weakness or uncertainty.

For this reason, I believe this is against IT because he's fighting the reapers by not picking any of the options and refusing to be helped by them. He should have woken up after that.

[Wolfram Tarant]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

Noticed something possibly profound.

After Anderson "dies" and Hackett radios Shepard, Shepard asks "what do you need me to do?" ...while simultaneously grunting in the background. In fact, he continues to speak in the foreground, drunkenly, while grunting in the background simultaneously as he moves towards the console.

The point here is that Shepard can either do one or the other: grunt or talk. He's only got one set of lungs. And yet.... he does both.

Go listen and see.

I noticed that this morning! Did that happen before the EC? I only finished the game twice before the EC and I didn't notice that on either of those playthroughs.... but it seemed so obvious when I heard it this morning. I just assumed it was an oversight but it was sort of annoying...

[MegumiAzusa]

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

hmm Sheps last words:
"And I'll die free."

That says everything there is to say in my opinion.


Also notice how Sheps voice changes
"I fight for freedom, mine and everyones."
coughing, weak voice
"I fight for the right to choose our own fate."
no coughing anymore, voice gets a little stronger
"And if I die, I die knowing that I did everything that I could to stop you."
Sheps voice gets progressively stronger, even enhanced by the changing music
"And I'll die free."
no traces of weakness or uncertainty.

I was afraid he might have shot himself and was relieved he didn't do it. Suicide would be stupid.

No, there are no traces of Shep even remotely thinking about it. Shep says "and if I die" which tells us she doesn't plan to.

[munnellyladt]

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Harbinger's Epic One Liner!

So you also heard it?

I heard it my first playthrough and thought it was cool! I still don't hear english though. You can try to make it sound like whatever you want it to but it's not clear enough.

What's your Shepard's background in the playthrough you recorded it from?

That's the sound file itself. No other sound effects loaded.

I hear "Save Us". Try searching for "Join Us." I think I heard it too in a different video.

I can tell the "Us" part but the first part is gibberish.

I think that so called "save us"line,us just a reaper sound.
At the start of the game you can hear it aswell,and a few times during the game aswell.
but i might be wrong.

[EpyonX3]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

Noticed something possibly profound.

After Anderson "dies" and Hackett radios Shepard, Shepard asks "what do you need me to do?" ...while simultaneously grunting in the background. In fact, he continues to speak in the foreground, drunkenly, while grunting in the background simultaneously as he moves towards the console.

The point here is that Shepard can either do one or the other: grunt or talk. He's only got one set of lungs. And yet.... he does both.

Go listen and see.

He did that before EC.

[Starbuck8]

boeloe wrote...

paxxton wrote...

LT123 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Harbinger's Epic One Liner!

So you also heard it?

Whoa. When is this? After the squadmates get picked up? 

Yes. Just before the hit.

I threw the file into audacity disabled background channels and sped it up a bit. My best guess is "serve us" or "service" but that one doesn't make any sense.

Serve us. I think I can hear that when listening to Epyon's vid, a lot more than "save us" or "join us"

[paxxton]

boeloe wrote...

paxxton wrote...

LT123 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Harbinger's Epic One Liner!

So you also heard it?

Whoa. When is this? After the squadmates get picked up? 

Yes. Just before the hit.

I threw the file into audacity disabled background channels and sped it up a bit. My best guess is "serve us" or "service" but that one doesn't make any sense.

Save sounds similar to serve. But what sense would that have?

[MegumiAzusa]

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

hmm Sheps last words:
"And I'll die free."

That says everything there is to say in my opinion.


Also notice how Sheps voice changes
"I fight for freedom, mine and everyones."
coughing, weak voice
"I fight for the right to choose our own fate."
no coughing anymore, voice gets a little stronger
"And if I die, I die knowing that I did everything that I could to stop you."
Sheps voice gets progressively stronger, even enhanced by the changing music
"And I'll die free."
no traces of weakness or uncertainty.

For this reason, I believe this is against IT because he's fighting the reapers by not picking any of the options and refusing to be helped by them. He should have woken up after that.

You wonder why this end is completely different? BioWare doesn't want to make a statement which is true. They want discussion. Shepard waking up after that would just outright confirm IT. Instead they jump x thousand years, and the only ones you can see are pixelerated, so you can't tell if it's an Asari, Turian, or something else. But it doesn't rule out IT. Showing it either way, Shep waking up confirming IT or showing the war disproving IT, would end any discussion.

[ThisOneIsPunny]

EpyonX3 wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

Better yet, how the hell did the REST of the crew get on the Normandy if they were all at the London FOB?
How did they even get to the London FOB?

The Normandy has more than one shuttle. Anyone you didn't pick for the push took a shuttle back up to the Normandy.

It still doesn't make sense. Normandy disengaging from the fight alongside Sword against the reapers, combined with the very real possibility of the shuttle getting shot down from either Harvesters or reapers is about as sensible as... well, about as sensible as the literal teleporting of the Normandy during the run to the beam. 

Modifié par ThisOneIsPunny, 28 juin 2012 - 01:44 .

[v0rt3x22]

Starbuck8 wrote...

boeloe wrote...

paxxton wrote...

LT123 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Harbinger's Epic One Liner!

So you also heard it?

Whoa. When is this? After the squadmates get picked up? 

Yes. Just before the hit.

I threw the file into audacity disabled background channels and sped it up a bit. My best guess is "serve us" or "service" but that one doesn't make any sense.

Serve us. I think I can hear that when listening to Epyon's vid, a lot more than "save us" or "join us"

Wait a minute....this is just BEFORE Shep gets hit by beam?
Not that I have doubts about IT - but that still seems plausible then in IT terms.

[Dwailing]

Starbuck8 wrote...

boeloe wrote...

paxxton wrote...

LT123 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Harbinger's Epic One Liner!

So you also heard it?

Whoa. When is this? After the squadmates get picked up? 

Yes. Just before the hit.

I threw the file into audacity disabled background channels and sped it up a bit. My best guess is "serve us" or "service" but that one doesn't make any sense.

Serve us. I think I can hear that when listening to Epyon's vid, a lot more than "save us" or "join us"

I can definitely hear "serve us" from Harbinger in Epyon's vid.  As interesting of an idea as the Reapers are Slaves Hypothesis is, I don't think it would work, if only because I haven't come this far wanting to destroy the greatest threat the galaxy has ever know just to learn that they're actually pretty decent guys.  I want to grab that Sync Laser, and shove every single round from Sword Fleet up Harbinger's proverbial... well, you know.

[Vaya]

Big Bad wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Yesterday, I was trying to explain to my non-gamer sister why I find the literal interpretation of the ending so abhorrent.  She has almost certainly never even heard of Mass Effect, so I tried to find something analogous that might make her understand...

Imagine that at the end of the Harry Potter series, Harry confronts Voldemort who proceeds to explain that he had committed countless murders and atrocities not because he was an evil dude, but because he was trying to protect all creatures with magical abilities from destruction at the hands of the Muggles.    You see, he says, Muggles will eventually come to learn about the existence of magic, and out of fear or jealousy they will kill everyone with magical talents.  Nevermind that Harry had only recently learned to get along with his Muggle relatives; and nevermind that the series has consistently attempted to show the harm that is done when people use a person's magical abilities (or lack thereof) as a basis for bigotry (calling people "Mud-bloods" and such).  Nevermind all that, says Voldemort.  You just have to trust me that the Muggles are your mortal enemies, and my intentions have been nothing but noble this whole time!

Then, because Harry is the only wizard that has come even close to defeating him, Voldemort decides that maybe he should change his tactics, though he certainly still believes that muggles and the wizarding community can never coexist.  He decides to give Harry three choices:

1) Harry can use a newly-discovered spell that will kill Voldemort and all his Death Eaters, but it will also kill everybody at Hogwarts and,  quite possibly, Harry himself.  Doing this will spare the rest of the wizarding community for the moment, but it will also not prevent the coming genocide of the wizards at the hands of the muggles

2) Harry can allow himself to be killed, but his spirit will merge with Voldemort's body, and Harry will become the most powerful  wizard in existence.  He can then use these powers to control the Death Eaters and use them in some unspecified fashion to prevent genocide.

3)  Finally, Harry could use a different newly-discovered spell.  This spell would alter all sentient beings so that Muggles would have some limited magical abilities, and the wizards would have their power reduced to match the Muggles.  Basically, from a magical standpoint, everybody would be the same, so, in theory, there would be no need for conflict.  This spell, has the unfortunate side-effect of killing the wizard who uses it, and only Harry is capable of peforming it (for some reason). 

After Voldemort presents these options, Harry, one of the most strong-willed and independent boys to ever live, accepts with little disagreement that what Voldemort  - the wizard who murdered his parents in cold blood - is telling him is the truth.  He then picks one of the three options.  Harry never sees Ron or Hermione again, and he never gets the chance to
settle down into a well-earned restful life with Ginny Weasley.  The end.

I know the analogy isn't perfect, but it pretty much conveys the reasons why I hate the (literal) ending of ME3.  The EC has done little to make me hate it less.  Basically, the literal endings "break" the ME universe for me.

I'm reposting this for the new page because I almost never write walls of text! 

Thoughts?

I thought it was an apt analogy, pretty much covered it.

[Andromidius]

boeloe wrote...

paxxton wrote...

LT123 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Harbinger's Epic One Liner!

So you also heard it?

Whoa. When is this? After the squadmates get picked up? 

Yes. Just before the hit.

I threw the file into audacity disabled background channels and sped it up a bit. My best guess is "serve us" or "service" but that one doesn't make any sense.

Hell, you're right.  He's saying SERVE US!



Seriously, I can hear it clear as rain now.

[Starbuck8]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

boeloe wrote...

paxxton wrote...

LT123 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Harbinger's Epic One Liner!

So you also heard it?

Whoa. When is this? After the squadmates get picked up? 

Yes. Just before the hit.

I threw the file into audacity disabled background channels and sped it up a bit. My best guess is "serve us" or "service" but that one doesn't make any sense.

Serve us. I think I can hear that when listening to Epyon's vid, a lot more than "save us" or "join us"

Wait a minute....this is just BEFORE Shep gets hit by beam?
Not that I have doubts about IT - but that still seems plausible then in IT terms.

yep.

[munnellyladt]

Starbuck8 wrote...

boeloe wrote...

paxxton wrote...

LT123 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Harbinger's Epic One Liner!

So you also heard it?

Whoa. When is this? After the squadmates get picked up? 

Yes. Just before the hit.

I threw the file into audacity disabled background channels and sped it up a bit. My best guess is "serve us" or "service" but that one doesn't make any sense.

Serve us. I think I can hear that when listening to Epyon's vid, a lot more than "save us" or "join us"

Oh wait,i wasn't thinking of that line.
yea now i hear it,it does kind of sound like "serve us"
If you listen to it over and over again you can hear it more clearly.

Modifié par munnellyladt, 28 juin 2012 - 01:51 .

[paxxton]

Andromidius wrote...

boeloe wrote...

paxxton wrote...

LT123 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Harbinger's Epic One Liner!

So you also heard it?

Whoa. When is this? After the squadmates get picked up? 

Yes. Just before the hit.

I threw the file into audacity disabled background channels and sped it up a bit. My best guess is "serve us" or "service" but that one doesn't make any sense.

Hell, you're right.  He's saying SERVE US!



Seriously, I can hear it clear as rain now.

Sorry, I hear "Save Us".

[JasonSic]

paxxton wrote...

LT123 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Harbinger's Epic One Liner!

So you also heard it?

Whoa. When is this? After the squadmates get picked up? 

Yes. Just before the hit.

Someone on BSN said that if your squadmates die right there, Harbinger says something like, "You stand alone"...

But I can't find a video of it, anyone know about this?

[Starbuck8]

munnellyladt wrote...

Oh wait,i wasn't thinking of that line.
yea now i hear it,it does kind of sound like "serve us"

Ah ok. I was going to say, they really make it a point to highlight that Harbinger is saying something.

[comrade gando]

Xavendithas wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Just beat the game. I feel like they copped out and did not side with either camp in this new ending.

To be fair, BioWare did exactly what they said they were going to do. They did add enough new material supporting both the literalist and the IT folks that the divide is even more pronounced now.

I agree. the endings brought people closure ok that's true. but it also provided more fuel for IT, what with harbinger saying "serve us" now and with starbinger saying SO BE IT. why else would they put that in there? ****s and giggles? maybe same reason they photoshopped tali's face, roflz wafflz.

shepard alive at the end of destroy just like pre-EC. at least EC is exactly like they said "it will neither confirm nor deny indoctrination theory". back at square one with a fresh new bucket of speculations to dig through. sigh.