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[gpost]

Andromidius wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

I remember that someone brought it up earlier that Harbinger letting the Normandy go might have been so that it would have leverage so that Shepard wouldn't want to choose Destroy since EDI would still be alive.

That's the first plausible explaination I've heard.  Kudos to whoever thought that up

Though quite why they couldn't do it before or after the beam run...  Still seems...  Unclear...

Goodness me, speculation for everyone indeed.

And it's clearly not them being sloppy - they show the Normandy hovering in front of his face - they want you to see him let the Normandy go

[Dwailing]

Andromidius wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

I remember that someone brought it up earlier that Harbinger letting the Normandy go might have been so that it would have leverage so that Shepard wouldn't want to choose Destroy since EDI would still be alive.

That's the first plausible explaination I've heard.  Kudos to whoever thought that up

Though quite why they couldn't do it before or after the beam run...  Still seems...  Unclear...

Goodness me, speculation for everyone indeed.

Even more than before, if you ask me.

[Starbuck8]

Andromidius wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

I remember that someone brought it up earlier that Harbinger letting the Normandy go might have been so that it would have leverage so that Shepard wouldn't want to choose Destroy since EDI would still be alive.

That's the first plausible explaination I've heard.  Kudos to whoever thought that up

Though quite why they couldn't do it before or after the beam run...  Still seems...  Unclear...

Goodness me, speculation for everyone indeed.

Well honestly the Normandy pick-up scene could be part of the dream/hallucination, along with Harby's one-liner and beam blast... But the above also sounds plausible.

[Vaya]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Really, the literal ending just has a number of things that are quite simply CLEARLY intentional (since the require more programming to do) that from the sound of it are still there.

*clip*
Why Object Rho did nothing to indoctrinate Shepard, even though it IS canon,
*clip*

It's not a question of if its "canon", it has to be valid on all play throughs, or it's not valid for your Shepard. I don't really understand why it's a deal breaker for so many people, if it's important that theres a Reaper indoctrination device that Shepard is exposed to, its the reaper IFF that's installed in the engine core, the one that you hear constantly in the cargo bay, where Vega keeps commenting on the hum...

[Xavendithas]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

I remember that someone brought it up earlier that Harbinger letting the Normandy go might have been so that it would have leverage so that Shepard wouldn't want to choose Destroy since EDI would still be alive.

That's the first plausible explaination I've heard.  Kudos to whoever thought that up

Though quite why they couldn't do it before or after the beam run...  Still seems...  Unclear...

Goodness me, speculation for everyone indeed.

Well honestly the Normandy pick-up scene could be part of the dream/hallucination, along with Harby's one-liner and beam blast... But the above also sounds plausible.

I'm inclined to believe that the true hallucination begins when Shep lands on the Citadel. The jolt of awareness that hits him the moment "Admiral" Anderson starts talking to him is far from subtle.

[v0rt3x22]

You know what I always found interesting....it doesn't have to mean anything - but I found it interesting that BioWare commented on this thread - saying that they really found our speculation interesting and we should keep it up.......it always sounded to me like......they want us to read between the lines.

I don't see why else they would've commented.

[TJBartlemus]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

You know what I always found interesting....it doesn't have to mean anything - but I found it interesting that BioWare commented on this thread - saying that they really found our speculation interesting and we should keep it up.......it always sounded to me like......they want us to read between the lines.

I don't see why else they would've commented.

When did they comment? Don't tell me I missed a comment from BioWare in here in the last 3 hours.

[Turbo_J]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

hmm Sheps last words:
"And I'll die free."

That says everything there is to say in my opinion.


Also notice how Sheps voice changes
"I fight for freedom, mine and everyones."
coughing, weak voice
"I fight for the right to choose our own fate."
no coughing anymore, voice gets a little stronger
"And if I die, I die knowing that I did everything that I could to stop you."
Sheps voice gets progressively stronger, even enhanced by the changing music
"And I'll die free."
no traces of weakness or uncertainty.

For this reason, I believe this is against IT because he's fighting the reapers by not picking any of the options and refusing to be helped by them. He should have woken up after that.

You wonder why this end is completely different? BioWare doesn't want to make a statement which is true. They want discussion. Shepard waking up after that would just outright confirm IT. Instead they jump x thousand years, and the only ones you can see are pixelerated, so you can't tell if it's an Asari, Turian, or something else. But it doesn't rule out IT. Showing it either way, Shep waking up confirming IT or showing the war disproving IT, would end any discussion.

But then you wouldn't have art imitating life... as in the Good guys vs. the splinter groups; one that desires to control the reapers and the other that wants to 'evolve' - or devolve from my perspective.

[paxxton]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

You know what I always found interesting....it doesn't have to mean anything - but I found it interesting that BioWare commented on this thread - saying that they really found our speculation interesting and we should keep it up.......it always sounded to me like......they want us to read between the lines.

I don't see why else they would've commented.

Do you have a link to that comment?

[v0rt3x22]

TJBartlemus wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

You know what I always found interesting....it doesn't have to mean anything - but I found it interesting that BioWare commented on this thread - saying that they really found our speculation interesting and we should keep it up.......it always sounded to me like......they want us to read between the lines.

I don't see why else they would've commented.

When did they comment? Don't tell me I missed a comment from BioWare in here in the last 3 hours.

no this was a while back....if you exit the thread and click the BioWare symbol under this thread- youll see it

linky: 
http://social.biowar...x/12047832&lf=8 

But its no one important 

Modifié par v0rt3x22, 28 juin 2012 - 02:10 .

[gpost]

Now that I think about it, IF Harbinger says "Save Us", it could be in relation to the fact that they've been stuck in an endless cycle

[Turbo_J]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

I remember that someone brought it up earlier that Harbinger letting the Normandy go might have been so that it would have leverage so that Shepard wouldn't want to choose Destroy since EDI would still be alive.

That's the first plausible explaination I've heard.  Kudos to whoever thought that up

Though quite why they couldn't do it before or after the beam run...  Still seems...  Unclear...

Goodness me, speculation for everyone indeed.

Well honestly the Normandy pick-up scene could be part of the dream/hallucination, along with Harby's one-liner and beam blast... But the above also sounds plausible.

I had pretty good view bob all through London this time. Not just on the final push. I think it's farther back than the transport crash.

[Andromidius]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

I remember that someone brought it up earlier that Harbinger letting the Normandy go might have been so that it would have leverage so that Shepard wouldn't want to choose Destroy since EDI would still be alive.

That's the first plausible explaination I've heard.  Kudos to whoever thought that up

Though quite why they couldn't do it before or after the beam run...  Still seems...  Unclear...

Goodness me, speculation for everyone indeed.

Well honestly the Normandy pick-up scene could be part of the dream/hallucination, along with Harby's one-liner and beam blast... But the above also sounds plausible.

Indeed.  While its plausible why Harbinger wouldn't shoot, its unclear why Joker would be landing right in front of the biggest Reaper while its going beam-happy on all those Alliance soldiers.  Joker wouldn't know Harbinger wouldn't shoot, after all.

Which, if we take this literally, the scene should have come after the Mako crash.  Before Harbinger lands, so then the Normandy has a reason to flee.

Hense why I can't take it literally.  Any attempt causes me to want to vomit with rage.

[paxxton]

gpost wrote...

Now that I think about it, IF Harbinger says "Save Us", it could be in relation to the fact that they've been stuck in an endless cycle

So the Reapers are enslaved by the Catalyst.

[infinite_regress]

gpost wrote...

Now that I think about it, IF Harbinger says "Save Us", it could be in relation to the fact that they've been stuck in an endless cycle

Or it could mean that he doesn't want Shepard to destroy them.

[Setzer Daven]

Starbuck8 wrote...

JasonSic wrote...

Someone on BSN said that if your squadmates die right there, Harbinger says something like, "You stand alone"...

But I can't find a video of it, anyone know about this?

Looks false www.youtube.com/watch

You can hear something being said, but it sounds like nonsense. I can't make sense of it at all.

Reaper Speaks To Shepard

[munnellyladt]

gpost wrote...

Now that I think about it, IF Harbinger says "Save Us", it could be in relation to the fact that they've been stuck in an endless cycle

To be honest why would he say "save us" when he tries to kill you?
Or like all the other times he wanted you dead?

[Auralius Carolus]

gpost wrote...

Now that I think about it, IF Harbinger says "Save Us", it could be in relation to the fact that they've been stuck in an endless cycle

While that is a reasonable assertion, Harbinger has never shown this behavior before. Also, Reapers are likely darn-near programmed to operate without questioning their condition. If the Leviathan DLC is real, that would be the only known case of a Reaper breaking ranks and even it seems to retain a dark and savage nature.

[infinite_regress]

Setzer Daven wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

JasonSic wrote...

Someone on BSN said that if your squadmates die right there, Harbinger says something like, "You stand alone"...

But I can't find a video of it, anyone know about this?

Looks false www.youtube.com/watch

You can hear something being said, but it sounds like nonsense. I can't make sense of it at all.

Reaper Speaks To Shepard

I'm probably way off, esp seeing as I hear "save us" not "serve us" in the other one lol, but it kind of sounds to me like a garbled "[something] in charge of you"

[Dwailing]

Setzer Daven wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

JasonSic wrote...

Someone on BSN said that if your squadmates die right there, Harbinger says something like, "You stand alone"...

But I can't find a video of it, anyone know about this?

Looks false www.youtube.com/watch

You can hear something being said, but it sounds like nonsense. I can't make sense of it at all.

Reaper Speaks To Shepard

He's saying "serve us".  I'm as certain of it as I am that IT is true, which is very certain.

[comrade gando]

Turbo_J wrote...

I had pretty good view bob all through London this time. Not just on the final push. I think it's farther back than the transport crash.

YES I noticed that too. it's like why would they leave that in there, hell why would they leave ALL the indicators that what shepard is seeing isn't real (save for the evacuating the normandy scene). but even that scene gave us the part where harbinger very clearly SAYS something, but it's hard to make out. it can either be "save us" or "serve us". mmmmooorrreee speeccullaaating

[HellishFiend]

I sent this as a reply to a PM, thought some of you might like to read it:


Reject is certainly an enigma for IT. I personally feel that it's presence among the endings doesnt detract from the core IT beliefs even one bit, but it is difficult to put a finger on what the outcome would be from it. Whatever it may be, I think it is safe to say that it is not as good an outcome as Destroy, because to quote Lieutenant Victus: "Victory, at any cost".

Choosing reject is rejecting victory over the Reapers on the grounds of not wanting to sacrifice his friends. If you've seen my Choose Wisely video, I highlight how sacrifice, and willingness to sacrifice, is a huge theme in the game. Reject is essentially choosing inaction over a costly victory, which would most likely lead to inevitable defeat.

[Nightingale]

Andromidius wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

I remember that someone brought it up earlier that Harbinger letting the Normandy go might have been so that it would have leverage so that Shepard wouldn't want to choose Destroy since EDI would still be alive.

That's the first plausible explaination I've heard.  Kudos to whoever thought that up

Though quite why they couldn't do it before or after the beam run...  Still seems...  Unclear...

Goodness me, speculation for everyone indeed.

That would be me
Anyway, "Serve Us" as a command is brilliant. If that was it, it'd support the dream/hallucination starting then.

Turbo_J wrote...
I had pretty good view bob all through London
this time. Not just on the final push. I think it's farther back than
the transport crash.

I did too.

Edit: Wait, why wouldn't they do what before the beam run? The Normandy only picks up you squad because they're injured.

Modifié par DrTsoni, 28 juin 2012 - 02:20 .

[Andromidius]

Setzer Daven wrote...

You can hear something being said, but it sounds like nonsense. I can't make sense of it at all.

Reaper Speaks To Shepard

Something something you.

Can't make out anything else.  Its too distorted.

[gpost]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

gpost wrote...

Now that I think about it, IF Harbinger says "Save Us", it could be in relation to the fact that they've been stuck in an endless cycle

While that is a reasonable assertion, Harbinger has never shown this behavior before. Also, Reapers are likely darn-near programmed to operate without questioning their condition. If the Leviathan DLC is real, that would be the only known case of a Reaper breaking ranks and even it seems to retain a dark and savage nature.

True, he has never shown this behavior before - but maybe it's because Shepard is so close?