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[EpyonX3]

Dwailing wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...


I am also certain of "serve us". But I think he may be talking about the sounds we hear Harbinger making, before that?

I agree that not only does it sound like "serve us", but it makes a heck of a lot more sense than "save us". "Serve us" makes sense based on the lore, "Save us" leads us to wild, baseless guesses with no foundation. 

As for the other ones that sound like robotic mumbling, we'd probly be wasting our time trying to figure those out, because we'd likely just hear whatever we condition ourselves to hear from it...

I'll admit, it's possible that it IS just gibberish, but it DOES sound like Harbinger is saying SOMETHING.  And I think that what I posted above is a possibility.

I think it's an addition from all of the complaints about why Harbinger didn't say anything. They threw in some reaper talk in his tone of voice.

[Nightingale]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

I sent this as a reply to a PM, thought some of you might like to read it:


Reject is certainly an enigma for IT. I personally feel that it's presence among the endings doesnt detract from the core IT beliefs even one bit, but it is difficult to put a finger on what the outcome would be from it. Whatever it may be, I think it is safe to say that it is not as good an outcome as Destroy, because to quote Lieutenant Victus: "Victory, at any cost".

Choosing reject is rejecting victory over the Reapers on the grounds of not wanting to sacrifice his friends. If you've seen my Choose Wisely video, I highlight how sacrifice, and willingness to sacrifice, is a huge theme in the game. Reject is essentially choosing inaction over a costly victory, which would most likely lead to inevitable defeat.

I disagree with rejecting is rejecting victory. It is rejecting the premise the Catalyst offers, Shepard is still fighting, but in her own way like she did since Eden Prime. "I gonna end this war on my terms." It is actually worded pretty similar to when rejecting to save the collector base. "I gonna win this war without sacrificing the soul of our species"

It actually works with quite a few of the "paragon" quotes. "There's always another way," "I won't let fear compromise who I am" (though perhaps that works more towards Destroy), etc. Maybe it was their way of giving us a "paragon" ending that didn't involve Control/Synthesis, since people seem to associate Destroy with renegade because it's red.

[Starbuck8]

Andromidius wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Sounds like reaper talk to me.

Well it is a Reaper talking

It is garbled still.  But I can definately hear it, and if he's not saying something meaningful why the sudden focus on him and the sounds?

Exactly. And I would be pissed if they made Harbinger say something, focusing on it, right before the blast if it was just gibberish. In an IT or literal POV. Doesn't make sense for it to be gibberish. They could have just put a reaper horn.

[Dwailing]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Also, I'm thinking about what Maximized and I came up with earlier. He says that he heard the Anderson grunt in the Carnifex sound. I'm not so sure, but I should probably listen to the Anderson grunt more closely before commenting on whether it IS there or not. However, one thing I AM certain of, is that part of the echo of the Carnifex during the final scene in the Catalyst chamber DOES play when you alt-tab out of the game. Is it the Anderson grunt? I'm not sure if I hear a grunt, but I do KNOW that I hear part of the Carnifex echo played when you alt-tab, and that's enough for me to say something is up. I think, though I'm not certain, that the echo is played underneath the drums in the scene. If someone else could check this out and confirm it (Megumi or lex0r? Would either of you be willing to check?), I would be a very happy Turian.

For the technical side: If there is echo you always hear it, even when alt tab, because of the way it was made. It grabs a set stream and replays it after a delay, that is why you hear it when alt tab. When using alt tab the source stream is set inactive and doesn't update the echo, because of that you only hear the echo up to where it was updated for the last time.

Yeah, I do get that, I think.  But what I'm saying is why would they have part of the echo from the gunshots of the Carnifex on what would seem to be a CONSTANT loop?

I don't follow right now? If you mean the gunshots when choosing destroy they are actually 3 different files for the different stages so they could sound different when echoing, but as I said right now I've no idea what you are talking about exactly.

If you choose to just fire the Carnifex all willy nilly in the Decision Chamber, you can hear a long, distinct echo.  It sounds like a part of that echo is played when you alt-tab out of the game.  That would suggest that it's on a loop underneath the drum loop, right?

[comrade gando]

holy smokes harbinger DOES look at them. after shepard drops off LI tali in my case, he looks over and harbinger and harbinger shifts to look like RIGHT at them.. didn't even notice. ok so that explains that at least.

http://www.youtube.c...8fItbr0#t=1m21s

Modifié par comrade gando, 28 juin 2012 - 02:50 .

[Nightingale]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

Vaya wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Setzer Daven wrote...

You can hear something being said, but it sounds like nonsense. I can't make sense of it at all.

Reaper Speaks To Shepard

Something something you.

Can't make out anything else.  Its too distorted.

"your friends have left you" ?

Sounds like....

"I know this hurts you" ?

Lol not sure if that's great or if it's just Bioware trolling us. I think it's more hearing that because we want to hear it than that actually being what's said.

[EpyonX3]

Andromidius wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Sounds like reaper talk to me.

Well it is a Reaper talking

It is garbled still.  But I can definately hear it, and if he's not saying something meaningful why the sudden focus on him and the sounds?

If it's meaningful, why not in plain english like he's been doing since ME2?

[Starbuck8]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...


I am also certain of "serve us". But I think he may be talking about the sounds we hear Harbinger making, before that?

I agree that not only does it sound like "serve us", but it makes a heck of a lot more sense than "save us". "Serve us" makes sense based on the lore, "Save us" leads us to wild, baseless guesses with no foundation. 

As for the other ones that sound like robotic mumbling, we'd probly be wasting our time trying to figure those out, because we'd likely just hear whatever we condition ourselves to hear from it...

I'll admit, it's possible that it IS just gibberish, but it DOES sound like Harbinger is saying SOMETHING.  And I think that what I posted above is a possibility.

I think it's an addition from all of the complaints about why Harbinger didn't say anything. They threw in some reaper talk in his tone of voice.

No, Epyon. It doesn't even sound like Harbinger from ME2, and it's hard to make out. If they were trying to please the Harby-lovers, they would have made him say something in Harby's voice.

[EpyonX3]

comrade gando wrote...

holy smokes harbinger DOES look at them. after shepard drops off LI tali in my case, he looks over and harbinger and harbinger shifts to look like RIGHT at them.. didn't even notice. ok so that explains that at least.

http://www.youtube.c...8fItbr0#t=1m21s

Harbinger focuses on anything close enough to the beam. Shepard became one of those objects.

[Arian Dynas]

I think I got it.

Reject is Shepard refusing, but lacking the conviction to back it up.

Shepard, as he chooses Destroy is exemplifying the traits Harbinger most wants from him, determination, incredible willpower, ect, in fact he even just proved that he could resist the strongest hit of indoctrination yet, Harbinger would want Shepard more than ever by this point.

Rejection, Shepard is pussing out, at least to Harbinger, yes he is still determined and still resisiting, but does not have that trait of "Willing to sacrifice everything for success" that Harbinger wants, making him realize Shepard is not worth the trouble, so he kills him, Reapers win.

[HellishFiend]

DrTsoni wrote...

Lol not sure if that's great or if it's just Bioware trolling us. I think it's more hearing that because we want to hear it than that actually being what's said.

Exactly. Again, there is only cadence there, no enunciation. So you can "hear" anything that matches the cadence.... 

[plfranke]

comrade gando wrote...

holy smokes harbinger DOES look at them. after shepard drops off LI tali in my case, he looks over and harbinger and harbinger shifts to look like RIGHT at them.. didn't even notice. ok so that explains that at least.

http://www.youtube.c...8fItbr0#t=1m21s

I've been saying this for so long and everyone has been ignoring me

[Andromidius]

DrTsoni wrote...
Lol not sure if that's great or if it's just Bioware trolling us. I think it's more hearing that because we want to hear it than that actually being what's said.

Yeah, its much less clear then what he says right before the beam.

Still interesting that he's making 'words' at all.

[Xavendithas]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Sounds like reaper talk to me.

Well it is a Reaper talking

It is garbled still.  But I can definately hear it, and if he's not saying something meaningful why the sudden focus on him and the sounds?

If it's meaningful, why not in plain english like he's been doing since ME2?

Your encounter with Harbinger on Earth is your first physical confrontation with the Reaper itself. The rest of your encounters have been through intermediaries or Harbinger seemingly speaking directly to Shepard in his mind.

edit: Not sure what the significance is, but it has to count for something? Right?

Modifié par Xavendithas, 28 juin 2012 - 02:52 .

[Nightingale]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Sounds like reaper talk to me.

Well it is a Reaper talking

It is garbled still.  But I can definately hear it, and if he's not saying something meaningful why the sudden focus on him and the sounds?

If it's meaningful, why not in plain english like he's been doing since ME2?

I posted about this earlier. I'll try to find a link but so much has been posted, I doubt I'll find it. I said something along the lines of him sounding different in person, rather than through an organic, though.

[EpyonX3]

Starbuck8 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...


I am also certain of "serve us". But I think he may be talking about the sounds we hear Harbinger making, before that?

I agree that not only does it sound like "serve us", but it makes a heck of a lot more sense than "save us". "Serve us" makes sense based on the lore, "Save us" leads us to wild, baseless guesses with no foundation. 

As for the other ones that sound like robotic mumbling, we'd probly be wasting our time trying to figure those out, because we'd likely just hear whatever we condition ourselves to hear from it...

I'll admit, it's possible that it IS just gibberish, but it DOES sound like Harbinger is saying SOMETHING.  And I think that what I posted above is a possibility.

I think it's an addition from all of the complaints about why Harbinger didn't say anything. They threw in some reaper talk in his tone of voice.

No, Epyon. It doesn't even sound like Harbinger from ME2, and it's hard to make out. If they were trying to please the Harby-lovers, they would have made him say something in Harby's voice.

It sounded like Harbingers voice to me. It's certainly different than all of the other reapers we've heard.

[Andromidius]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Sounds like reaper talk to me.

Well it is a Reaper talking

It is garbled still.  But I can definately hear it, and if he's not saying something meaningful why the sudden focus on him and the sounds?

If it's meaningful, why not in plain english like he's been doing since ME2?

Distance, lots of background noise and maybe because Bioware don't want it to be too obvious.  The garbled nature means you can make out different words depending on what you're listening for.  That seems deliberate.

[Dwailing]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

Vaya wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Setzer Daven wrote...

You can hear something being said, but it sounds like nonsense. I can't make sense of it at all.

Reaper Speaks To Shepard

Something something you.

Can't make out anything else.  Its too distorted.

"your friends have left you" ?

Sounds like....

"I know this hurts you" ?

It still sounds to me like, "We don't have you," but honestly, I'm not sure if we can REALLY know what Harbinger is saying until someone (Probably TSA.) is able to dig into the sound files.  Honestly, what almost interests me MORE from that is that right after it says whatever it says, you can hear what sounds like the chimes from the character flashes in the endings (You know, the ones that play, for example, as you shoot the tube to trigger Destroy.).  I don't know what this means, but it seems VERY intreguing, at least to me.

[HellishFiend]

Arian Dynas wrote...

I think I got it.

Reject is Shepard refusing, but lacking the conviction to back it up.

Shepard, as he chooses Destroy is exemplifying the traits Harbinger most wants from him, determination, incredible willpower, ect, in fact he even just proved that he could resist the strongest hit of indoctrination yet, Harbinger would want Shepard more than ever by this point.

Rejection, Shepard is pussing out, at least to Harbinger, yes he is still determined and still resisiting, but does not have that trait of "Willing to sacrifice everything for success" that Harbinger wants, making him realize Shepard is not worth the trouble, so he kills him, Reapers win.

Wait, let me get something straight... Now youre saying Destroy winds up with Shepard succumbing to indoctrination because he is willing to achieve total victory over the Reapers at any cost? How is that valuable to the Reapers? 

[EpyonX3]

DrTsoni wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Sounds like reaper talk to me.

Well it is a Reaper talking

It is garbled still.  But I can definately hear it, and if he's not saying something meaningful why the sudden focus on him and the sounds?

If it's meaningful, why not in plain english like he's been doing since ME2?

I posted about this earlier. I'll try to find a link but so much has been posted, I doubt I'll find it. I said something along the lines of him sounding different in person, rather than through an organic, though.

But Sovereign and the Rannoch reaper spoke to you in english with no organics as tools.

[Arian Dynas]

Also,another piece of evidence more that I forgot in my list that have yet to be debunked, the post ending message from the Vermire Survivor, which in so far as my knowledge extends, you get in any event after EVERY ending, not just Destroy, which would give confirmation they found Shepard.

Yet as I hear, it comes around even if you pick something else (I don't own a ipad, so I have no idea of the specifics of how the Datapad app works.)

[EpyonX3]

Andromidius wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Sounds like reaper talk to me.

Well it is a Reaper talking

It is garbled still.  But I can definately hear it, and if he's not saying something meaningful why the sudden focus on him and the sounds?

If it's meaningful, why not in plain english like he's been doing since ME2?

Distance, lots of background noise and maybe because Bioware don't want it to be too obvious.  The garbled nature means you can make out different words depending on what you're listening for.  That seems deliberate.

Yes it's deliberate. All reapers sound like this. Try to listen to one during the invasion. They make all sets of clicks and robotic noises along with the horn.

[Dwailing]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Also,another piece of evidence more that I forgot in my list that have yet to be debunked, the post ending message from the Vermire Survivor, which in so far as my knowledge extends, you get in any event after EVERY ending, not just Destroy, which would give confirmation they found Shepard.

Yet as I hear, it comes around even if you pick something else (I don't own a ipad, so I have no idea of the specifics of how the Datapad app works.)

Huh, that's VERY interesting.  Even after Rejection, I wonder?

[Arian Dynas]

HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

I think I got it.

Reject is Shepard refusing, but lacking the conviction to back it up.

Shepard, as he chooses Destroy is exemplifying the traits Harbinger most wants from him, determination, incredible willpower, ect, in fact he even just proved that he could resist the strongest hit of indoctrination yet, Harbinger would want Shepard more than ever by this point.

Rejection, Shepard is pussing out, at least to Harbinger, yes he is still determined and still resisiting, but does not have that trait of "Willing to sacrifice everything for success" that Harbinger wants, making him realize Shepard is not worth the trouble, so he kills him, Reapers win.

Wait, let me get something straight... Now youre saying Destroy winds up with Shepard succumbing to indoctrination because he is willing to achieve total victory over the Reapers at any cost? How is that valuable to the Reapers? 

No I am saying that Destroy means that he still has the traits that the Reapers want from him, Reject means that they decide he isn't worth the trouble and kill him. But this is just theorizing and not very solid theorizing at the moment.

[Vaya]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

Vaya wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Setzer Daven wrote...

You can hear something being said, but it sounds like nonsense. I can't make sense of it at all.

Reaper Speaks To Shepard

Something something you.

Can't make out anything else.  Its too distorted.

"your friends have left you" ?

Sounds like....

"I know this hurts you" ?

Heh, that would make sense ...     guess we won't know unless somebody can find a way to clean it up, otherwise it's just projection. Does that first line only occur on low EMS? The one before the save us/ serve us line?