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[Dwailing]

Well, I'm off for the night. I'll see you all later.

[Xavendithas]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Not at all. My response to that is then how did Tali know when Shepard's mind conversation was over if he wasn't speaking?

He didn't approach her.

Well, in that scene as the conversation with the reaper is winding down, Shepard realizes that Tali is behind him and turns to face her and then turns back to the reaper. The reaper doesn't say anything further and that is when Tali makes her comment about having killed a reaper.

[HellishFiend]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Also, a observation from Nezrathul;

On a more amusing note... low ems "reject" ending is hilarious. The only option is to destroy the Reapers or don't use the Crucible. The Catalyst prefers Shepard to destroy them and gets angry, if he let's him continue the cycle. To add to the hilarity, bring Liara along so she dies when running towards the beam, yet her gift says the Crucible did not work. How did she add this information post mortem?

Excellent points. Yet another thing that literalists could only explain with the lazy Bioware theory...

[Arian Dynas]

As for the starting point not having been changed... well that just makes it more clear that that was intentional.

Interesting considering it starts in the Viper nebula.

Where the Alpha Relay was. And it only strikes the Relays Shepard has visited before.

[D.Sharrah]

Hellish: Doing some quick catch-up...another way that "Reject" ties in with sacrifice, is that in a way Shep is sacrficing the current cycle in hopes that the next cycle will be able to find a better way. Also, "Reject" is so open ended that it would be easy for them to expand upon it with additional content whether that be DLC or another game...earlier someone asked if we still believed in IT after Shep didn't "wake up" in the "Reject" choice...I responed by asking if they could prove that he didn't wake-up.

[Nightingale]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

*looks back over the EC*

Well, they still haven't changed the location of initial Crucible beam on the Galaxy map: that isn't Earth; Earth's not in the outer rim...

I believe it was stated here that it originated from the Alpha Relay.

Edit: Nevermind...

Modifié par DrTsoni, 28 juin 2012 - 03:34 .

[Domanese]

Something does get my attention. If the Leviathan is a Renegade Reaper, the first one in fact then is it possible that this DLC could influence the endings as well or will it just be another war asset? I mean a treasonous reaper would have a lot more insight on how to achieve a much more powerful victory.

[Starbuck8]

HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Also, a observation from Nezrathul;

On a more amusing note... low ems "reject" ending is hilarious. The only option is to destroy the Reapers or don't use the Crucible. The Catalyst prefers Shepard to destroy them and gets angry, if he let's him continue the cycle. To add to the hilarity, bring Liara along so she dies when running towards the beam, yet her gift says the Crucible did not work. How did she add this information post mortem?

Excellent points. Yet another thing that literalists could only explain with the lazy Bioware theory...

That is funny. Buuut I could see that Liara's message may be something like a "if your reading/hearing this, I'm dead" kinda message.

[FellishBeast]

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Not the same thing. The so be it is a small rumble you barely notice. You even hear the rumble itself. The rannoch reaper camera didn't shake, it was almost like it was zooming in and out struggling to fit the right angle between certain contraints.

You're welcome to think that the camera movement with the Rannoch Reaper is unintentional if you like, but I dont see why you're so dismissive of the possibility that its intentional. It's not like it directly supports IT, it's just an indication that having a conversation with a Reaper in that kind of proximity is most likely not healthy for Shepard's mind. 

I figured his voice was shaking the ground...but I'm sure it isn't healthy for him either way...

Unless you think of the Reapers as the good guys...;p

[D.Sharrah]

SwobyJ wrote...

Snip...

Ideally, I would have wanted the positive Refusal ending to have a very high EMS requirement + certain big decisions, and you'd be able to actually conventionally defeat the Reapers after losing the majority of your forces. Shepard would Shepard-Speech the Catalyst, the Catalyst would reveal himself to be Harbinger, and he would be outright humbled for the first time in millions of years. The Reapers would be defeated, at even greater cost than in Destroy, but otherwise the ending then continues like Destroy (but also with a more shattered galaxy after so much war).
Geth fleet and pretty much all big 'everyone working together' decisions throughout the series would be required for this.

The bolded would be a great example of what could have been or could be...I still say that there is something fishy with the EC...and I am thinking that at some point with future DLC we may be able to unlock an ending like the one you suggest.

[EpyonX3]

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Not the same thing. The so be it is a small rumble you barely notice. You even hear the rumble itself. The rannoch reaper camera didn't shake, it was almost like it was zooming in and out struggling to fit the right angle between certain contraints.

You're welcome to think that the camera movement with the Rannoch Reaper is unintentional if you like, but I dont see why you're so dismissive of the possibility that its intentional. It's not like it directly supports IT, it's just an indication that having a conversation with a Reaper in that kind of proximity is most likely not healthy for Shepard's mind. 

Or his body, or for Tali either. None of them seem to notice this unhealthy proximity.

[HellishFiend]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Hellish: Doing some quick catch-up...another way that "Reject" ties in with sacrifice, is that in a way Shep is sacrficing the current cycle in hopes that the next cycle will be able to find a better way. Also, "Reject" is so open ended that it would be easy for them to expand upon it with additional content whether that be DLC or another game...earlier someone asked if we still believed in IT after Shep didn't "wake up" in the "Reject" choice...I responed by asking if they could prove that he didn't wake-up.

It is unclear what Shepard's actual intentions are when he "picks" Reject, and the nature of the "visions" after that choice are also somewhat unclear. But I dont think that the choices is meant to imply Shep wants to sacrifice the entire cycle, because he has no reason to assume that the following cycle would do any better. I personally think it's silly to think that Liara's time capsule would allow the following cycle to defeat the Reapers. The phrase "Keep dreaming" seems to be an appropriate response to that idea...

[HellishFiend]

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Not the same thing. The so be it is a small rumble you barely notice. You even hear the rumble itself. The rannoch reaper camera didn't shake, it was almost like it was zooming in and out struggling to fit the right angle between certain contraints.

You're welcome to think that the camera movement with the Rannoch Reaper is unintentional if you like, but I dont see why you're so dismissive of the possibility that its intentional. It's not like it directly supports IT, it's just an indication that having a conversation with a Reaper in that kind of proximity is most likely not healthy for Shepard's mind. 

Or his body, or for Tali either. None of them seem to notice this unhealthy proximity.

Indeed. 

[Starbuck8]

D.Sharrah wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Snip...

Ideally, I would have wanted the positive Refusal ending to have a very high EMS requirement + certain big decisions, and you'd be able to actually conventionally defeat the Reapers after losing the majority of your forces. Shepard would Shepard-Speech the Catalyst, the Catalyst would reveal himself to be Harbinger, and he would be outright humbled for the first time in millions of years. The Reapers would be defeated, at even greater cost than in Destroy, but otherwise the ending then continues like Destroy (but also with a more shattered galaxy after so much war).
Geth fleet and pretty much all big 'everyone working together' decisions throughout the series would be required for this.

The bolded would be a great example of what could have been or could be...I still say that there is something fishy with the EC...and I am thinking that at some point with future DLC we may be able to unlock an ending like the one you suggest.

Hmm, this idea that the Leviathan (or something else) could alter the endings, particularly the refuse ending, is starting to grow on me. Especially since Leviathan stuff was leaked thru the EC.

Modifié par Starbuck8, 28 juin 2012 - 03:42 .

[HellishFiend]

Arian Dynas wrote...

As for the starting point not having been changed... well that just makes it more clear that that was intentional.

Interesting considering it starts in the Viper nebula.

Where the Alpha Relay was. And it only strikes the Relays Shepard has visited before.

Another good point. We already know that there are many more relays than the ones we're aware of. Why arent those hit?

[Nightingale]

Starbuck8 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Also, a observation from Nezrathul;

On a more amusing note... low ems "reject" ending is hilarious. The only option is to destroy the Reapers or don't use the Crucible. The Catalyst prefers Shepard to destroy them and gets angry, if he let's him continue the cycle. To add to the hilarity, bring Liara along so she dies when running towards the beam, yet her gift says the Crucible did not work. How did she add this information post mortem?

Excellent points. Yet another thing that literalists could only explain with the lazy Bioware theory...

That is funny. Buuut I could see that Liara's message may be something like a "if your reading/hearing this, I'm dead" kinda message.

Hah I'd try that if I thought I could actually make it through the game with EMS low enough.

SwobyJ wrote...
Mass Shift is becoming more and more of a possibility btw.

At the risk of sounding ignorant...what?

FellishBeast wrote...

*snip*

Unless you think of the Reapers as the good guys...;p

Oh yeah, machines that come to kill everyone every 50,000 years are totally just nice guys. Completely misunderstood, I'm sure

Modifié par DrTsoni, 28 juin 2012 - 03:42 .

[D.Sharrah]

Domanese wrote...

Something does get my attention. If the Leviathan is a Renegade Reaper, the first one in fact then is it possible that this DLC could influence the endings as well or will it just be another war asset? I mean a treasonous reaper would have a lot more insight on how to achieve a much more powerful victory.

Exactly.  Why include that on this DLC?  Hasn't the community more than shown that we are willing to tear apart every single bit of data that we can find...if Bioware was trying to keep the Leviathan a secret this was not a very good plan...and if they didn't care that it was secret...

[TJBartlemus]

BatmanTurian wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

The view bob was there for me, too.  A metaphorical representation of his resolve weakening as he approaches the beam perhaps?

The longer EC is out the more it seems that I was right in my Waking Nightmare Theory. Also currently I'm working on a new version of it to inlclude EC, and/or a possiblility that BioWare could have merged IT/literalist perspectives. (I'll explain this in the new version.) Coming soon...maybe today or tomarro.

Just so you know, I support your theory now somewhat.

Sorry was gone writing the add on/ possible explaination of the ending. I find it cool that you support my theory!! I know many have seen it, but not so sure on how people thought about it. :PB)

[Cecilia L]

SwobyJ wrote...

Cecilia L wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...
(...)
THEY WANT YOU. Above all else, the story has shown that the Reapers want something from Shepard and/or his body, but likely not just his body.

Are you suggesting that they want Shep to join them as a new colleague like with Control?

Yes.

But ideally, to provide the solution and true synthesis.

The main thing to think about is: do the Reapers want to end the cycle too?

If the Catalyst is speaking truthfully, then it seems so.

Synthesis = their ideal solution. Compromises organics' will, but in the end, promotes peace between all. (notice how organics don't freak out about it - it is designed to be allowed by all)

Control = their current solution and plan. More EMS creates Synthesis because the Crucible is designed to its fullest potential. You're worthy of carrying on as a Reaper leader, and have the will (unlike TIM or Saren would, as they CAN'T resist Reaper-cycle indoctrination) to end the cycle, at least for now.

Destroy = you underpreformed, but will be able to do exactly what you set out to do. Catalyst allows this because it has no emotional connection to the Reapers, but it still believes you are making the wrong choice by this. Eseentially, it thinks that you're going to fail, but have proven yourself JUST enough to try this out. (I wouldn't be surprised if we find out the Catalyst/Reapers have a second plan just in case though)

So the Reapers themselves give you the I-Win button, which is both an interesting twist, but also a disapointment in ways.

Ideally, I would have wanted the positive Refusal ending to have a very high EMS requirement + certain big decisions, and you'd be able to actually conventionally defeat the Reapers after losing the majority of your forces. Shepard would Shepard-Speech the Catalyst, the Catalyst would reveal himself to be Harbinger, and he would be outright humbled for the first time in millions of years. The Reapers would be defeated, at even greater cost than in Destroy, but otherwise the ending then continues like Destroy (but also with a more shattered galaxy after so much war).
Geth fleet and pretty much all big 'everyone working together' decisions throughout the series would be required for this.

But why then do they even present Shepard with the Destroy choice with high EMS and not just Control and Synthesis, if they think he/she show so much promise?

And I still find it hard to believe that the Catalystbrat means well and is not decieving Shepard. It would seem probable that it is just a very flawed AI with flawed assumtions on what is right, but IT has always been about how Blue and Green choices are bad endings, that they are Shep succumbing to the Bad Guys' indoctrination.

EDIT: And I am of the firm belief that the Reapers ARE Bad Guys, not misunderstood, that's bull.

Modifié par Cecilia L, 28 juin 2012 - 03:46 .

[Nightingale]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Domanese wrote...

Something does get my attention. If the Leviathan is a Renegade Reaper, the first one in fact then is it possible that this DLC could influence the endings as well or will it just be another war asset? I mean a treasonous reaper would have a lot more insight on how to achieve a much more powerful victory.

Exactly.  Why include that on this DLC?  Hasn't the community more than shown that we are willing to tear apart every single bit of data that we can find...if Bioware was trying to keep the Leviathan a secret this was not a very good plan...and if they didn't care that it was secret...

It was probably intentional. Gamble already said they were still working on DLC, they probably counted on people finding this. They can use it as additional hype and it's probably got a decent bearing on the ending.

[D.Sharrah]

DrTsoni wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Mass Shift is becoming more and more of a possibility btw.

At the risk of sounding ignorant...what?

It was rumored to be the title and idea for ME 4 that was on 4chan...I think.