Cecilia L wrote...
SwobyJ wrote...
Cecilia L wrote...
SwobyJ wrote...
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THEY WANT YOU. Above all else, the story has shown that the Reapers want something from Shepard and/or his body, but likely not just his body.
Are you suggesting that they want Shep to join them as a new colleague like with Control?
Yes.
But ideally, to provide the solution and true synthesis.
The main thing to think about is: do the Reapers want to end the cycle too?
If the Catalyst is speaking truthfully, then it seems so.
Synthesis = their ideal solution. Compromises organics' will, but in the end, promotes peace between all. (notice how organics don't freak out about it - it is designed to be allowed by all)
Control = their current solution and plan. More EMS creates Synthesis because the Crucible is designed to its fullest potential. You're worthy of carrying on as a Reaper leader, and have the will (unlike TIM or Saren would, as they CAN'T resist Reaper-cycle indoctrination) to end the cycle, at least for now.
Destroy = you underpreformed, but will be able to do exactly what you set out to do. Catalyst allows this because it has no emotional connection to the Reapers, but it still believes you are making the wrong choice by this. Eseentially, it thinks that you're going to fail, but have proven yourself JUST enough to try this out. (I wouldn't be surprised if we find out the Catalyst/Reapers have a second plan just in case though)
So the Reapers themselves give you the I-Win button, which is both an interesting twist, but also a disapointment in ways.
Ideally, I would have wanted the positive Refusal ending to have a very high EMS requirement + certain big decisions, and you'd be able to actually conventionally defeat the Reapers after losing the majority of your forces. Shepard would Shepard-Speech the Catalyst, the Catalyst would reveal himself to be Harbinger, and he would be outright humbled for the first time in millions of years. The Reapers would be defeated, at even greater cost than in Destroy, but otherwise the ending then continues like Destroy (but also with a more shattered galaxy after so much war).
Geth fleet and pretty much all big 'everyone working together' decisions throughout the series would be required for this.
But why then do they even present Shepard with the Destroy choice with high EMS and not just Control and Synthesis, if they think he/she show so much promise?
And I still find it hard to believe that the Catalystbrat means well and is not decieving Shepard. It would seem probable that it is just a very flawed AI with flawed assumtions on what is right, but IT has always been about how Blue and Green choices are bad endings, that they are Shep succumbing to the Bad Guys' indoctrination.
1)They present it because they might know that choice needs to be given, especially if Shepard ISN'T actually indoctrinated (but just feeling the effects of it).
The feeling I get now, especially because of EC, is that the Reapers are trying something *almost* new, and novel, yet are always restricted by their own indoctrination (or the Catalyst is bound by his own design, only unlocked by what the Crucible 'inspires' him with).
Crucible has destruction as a main compenent of it, so its unavoidable to show it. Catalyst can still direct Shepard to the other two endings. If it was TIM up there somehow, and not Shepard, I'm almost sure that Catalyst would steer him towards Control, and if Anderson was there, then Destroy would be the most promoted, but Shepard is someone who might, just maybe, produce true Synthesis between all. Catalyst can't change the Crucible, but it can encourage certain choices.
2)I think he means.... well, in his programming. Not GOOD GOOD, but 'end the cycle if possible' good. I think it uses misdirection, not outright lies. I call it a freaking lier because misdirection is still lying to me, but the semantics are important.
I think his language about who created the Crucible plans are important, as an example. Even if the Reapers never created it, it doesn't mean that they didn't plant the info somewhere, or allow it to continue being shared throughout the cycles without interruption.
Control may be possible, but if every organic would just get indoctrinated, why think anyone can control them? Ah, but if Shepard is immune to true indoctrination, he COULD control them. Even as a copied AI personality, if done perfectly, it would be guidence that no other organic mind could provide.
Synthesis may be possible, but the way that the Reapers do it is horrible FAIL. Yes, the Reapers are FAIL, and EC illustrates that they, or at least the Catalyst, KNOW THIS. They can't produce it. They want Synthesis more than anything else, and this is why it is offered so strongly if provided with the Crucible.
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Bioware may only find 'indoctrination theory' interesting, because it could be completely wrong yet so right at the same time.
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