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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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I seriously don't understand people. Some of the same people that were furious about the ending and were like "Joker and the crew would never abandon Shepard!" are claiming that they're tearing up now, even though the only thing that's been added is Hackett saying get to the rendezvous point. I mean wasn't that what you could have assumed happened anyway? I'm baffled at all the people that love the ec taken at face value.

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[quote]agmrpink wrote...

[quote]Cecilia L wrote...
Hm. Buying 10 big DLCs and
in each one finding small pieces of the puzzle does sound like an
interesting idea. Then when you have all the pieces (information, war
assets etc), you can break out of indoctrination or defeat the Reapers
in a true ultimate ending.

Interesting.
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What if WE, THE PLAYERS, are in fact the ones getting indoctrinated?[/quote]
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Well that was the idea al along wasn't it?Posted Image

I would fall for it and buy it all.

Modifié par Cecilia L, 28 juin 2012 - 04:18 .


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Starbuck8 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

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comrade gando wrote...

*plays EC, picks reject. scratches head... reloads game and picks destroy... looks up other endings on youtube*

come here bioware...c'mere... I'm not gonna hit you come here... just get over here.......*slaps bioware in the face* that's for being an **** yet again.

srsly wtf is casey's problem with these rediculous depressing endings. give the fans what they freakin' want man.



The best case of fail was Merizan tweeting to someone that is the destroy ending you could head canon the reunion (seriously paraphrased, but that was the message)...just, come on.


Saw that. And this twitter.com/JessicaMerizan/status/217810186818162688 =]


Her tweet makes sense. If the destroy ending didn't kill anything other than reapers, then there would be no consequence, since everything is rebuilt after time.


I understand that. But I was more talking about how she had been implying before that EDI/geth could live in Destroy, and that "changed"

actually by merizan's logic since I didn't see every single geth die they could still be alive and I could just headcanon them surviving. I'm done listening to that chick

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TJBartlemus wrote...

Has anyone noticed that it looks like they put more detail into Harbinger and the Reaper in the distance you see while talking to Starchild?? Why would they put more detail in the 2nd one??

I'll have to play it again but I didn't notice any more detail in the second one. They did, however, focus more on it during the conversation.

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DrTsoni wrote...

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Mass Shift is becoming more and more of a possibility btw.


At the risk of sounding ignorant...what?


It was rumored to be the title and idea for ME 4 that was on 4chan...I think.

I see. Does anyone actually believe it though?


Not really. Well kinda. Sorta.

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Anyone else notice that Jack doesn't get a slide in the destroy choice...but she is not in the fallen tribute and not on the wall? Is this just a glitch?

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Starbuck8 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

*plays EC, picks reject. scratches head... reloads game and picks destroy... looks up other endings on youtube*

come here bioware...c'mere... I'm not gonna hit you come here... just get over here.......*slaps bioware in the face* that's for being an **** yet again.

srsly wtf is casey's problem with these rediculous depressing endings. give the fans what they freakin' want man.



The best case of fail was Merizan tweeting to someone that is the destroy ending you could head canon the reunion (seriously paraphrased, but that was the message)...just, come on.


Saw that. And this twitter.com/JessicaMerizan/status/217810186818162688 =]


Her tweet makes sense. If the destroy ending didn't kill anything other than reapers, then there would be no consequence, since everything is rebuilt after time.


I understand that. But I was more talking about how she had been implying before that EDI/geth could live in Destroy, and that "changed"


I never really took her word 100% because technically she's not part of the dev team. To my knowledge at least.

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plfranke wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

*plays EC, picks reject. scratches head... reloads game and picks destroy... looks up other endings on youtube*

come here bioware...c'mere... I'm not gonna hit you come here... just get over here.......*slaps bioware in the face* that's for being an **** yet again.

srsly wtf is casey's problem with these rediculous depressing endings. give the fans what they freakin' want man.



The best case of fail was Merizan tweeting to someone that is the destroy ending you could head canon the reunion (seriously paraphrased, but that was the message)...just, come on.


Saw that. And this twitter.com/JessicaMerizan/status/217810186818162688 =]


Her tweet makes sense. If the destroy ending didn't kill anything other than reapers, then there would be no consequence, since everything is rebuilt after time.


I understand that. But I was more talking about how she had been implying before that EDI/geth could live in Destroy, and that "changed"

actually by merizan's logic since I didn't see every single geth die they could still be alive and I could just headcanon them surviving. I'm done listening to that chick


Lol yeah. I've been watching her feed for entertainment purposes mostly. She seems to know just about as much as any fan who has played the game. She's just an official fan I guess.

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FYI everyone, going to be putting out a quick evidence video with some footage Turbo sent me. Expect it within the hour.


Don't know if I still be up...will try to keep eyes open...if I don't make it, make sure the vid doesn't get lost in the thread - I want to be able to find it in the morning.


Subscribe to me on youtube. =)

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Angry Joe... Sigh.

Love how he keeps saying 'fixed', even when its blantantly not.

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D.Sharrah wrote...

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My personal biggest new question is:

If you choose reject, the Reapers win conventionally, therefore the Reapers can win conventionally. Why even offer Shepard any options if winning conventionally is still fully possible? Shepard is completely vulnerable and Starchild doesn't need to explain anything to Shepard regardless...


Great point...wish I had an answer for you.


Simpler than it seems, the Crucible forces the Catalyst to discharge the energy of the crucible and end its rampage, it changes the Catalyst, alters its programming to end the cycle and offer a new solution to its problem.  A more interesting question is how someone figured out how to hack the reapers, which is essentially the first part of what the crucible does.

Still, the Crucible only forces this change and actuates it, the choice must come from those using it, apparently, as the Catalyst defaults to its old solution if ignored.

Shepards collection of EMS, his resultant show of resolve, shapes what the Catalyst/GUARDIAN is willing to show as new solutions.

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Well I am off to bed...someone make sure that Hellish's video finds its way through the night, so I don't have to search all morning for it...please and thank you!

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D.Sharrah wrote...

Anyone else notice that Jack doesn't get a slide in the destroy choice...but she is not in the fallen tribute and not on the wall? Is this just a glitch?


I believe that's a glitch. Can't find then tweet that said that tho.

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plfranke wrote...

I seriously don't understand people. Some of the same people that were furious about the ending and were like "Joker and the crew would never abandon Shepard!" are claiming that they're tearing up now, even though the only thing that's been added is Hackett saying get to the rendezvous point. I mean wasn't that what you could have assumed happened anyway? I'm baffled at all the people that love the ec taken at face value.


I hear ya. I'm one of those that said "Hackett ordered it, so they ran." They are still military. Orders come first. You even see how Joker was ignoring the order to an extent but was talked out of it by your crew.

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plfranke wrote...

I seriously don't understand people. Some of the same people that were furious about the ending and were like "Joker and the crew would never abandon Shepard!" are claiming that they're tearing up now, even though the only thing that's been added is Hackett saying get to the rendezvous point. I mean wasn't that what you could have assumed happened anyway? I'm baffled at all the people that love the ec taken at face value.


Somehow I have a hard time imagining anyone onboard the Normandy abandoning Shep, not just Joker.

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Andromidius wrote...



Angry Joe... Sigh.

Love how he keeps saying 'fixed', even when its blantantly not.


Never heard of him before ME3, loved his videos on that, but now I'm realizing he might not be the sharpets tool in the shed. He sounded like he was getting paid to say that -.-

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FellishBeast wrote...

Andromidius wrote...



Angry Joe... Sigh.

Love how he keeps saying 'fixed', even when its blantantly not.


Never heard of him before ME3, loved his videos on that, but now I'm realizing he might not be the sharpets tool in the shed. He sounded like he was getting paid to say that -.-


I think the question is how much he got paid for that, not if :D

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Lavans6879 wrote...

plfranke wrote...

I seriously don't understand people. Some of the same people that were furious about the ending and were like "Joker and the crew would never abandon Shepard!" are claiming that they're tearing up now, even though the only thing that's been added is Hackett saying get to the rendezvous point. I mean wasn't that what you could have assumed happened anyway? I'm baffled at all the people that love the ec taken at face value.


Somehow I have a hard time imagining anyone onboard the Normandy abandoning Shep, not just Joker.


The funny thing is, they all had an opportunity to back Shepard up at the very end. But they all flew away, with Joker.

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Lavans6879 wrote...

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I don't care that BioWare released EC, I still say the indoctrination theory is correct, and that there's still a war to be won with Harbiner as the final boss after Shepard regains consciousness.


Wise move. BW even went out of their way to say that EC is not intended to prove or disprove IT, so it makes no sense to write it off at this point. 


Indeed. However, BioWare did state they would not be changing the ending of the game. By admitting the IT, they will effectively change the ending of the game.


Even though they totally changed the ending of the game by adding another ending, which they specifically said they would not do.

Besides, IT does not require the endings to change, merely expand.

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Starbuck8 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Andromidius wrote...



Angry Joe... Sigh.

Love how he keeps saying 'fixed', even when its blantantly not.


Never heard of him before ME3, loved his videos on that, but now I'm realizing he might not be the sharpets tool in the shed. He sounded like he was getting paid to say that -.-


I think the question is how much he got paid for that, not if :D


Yeah, its pretty damn fishy honestly.  He was so angry about it, and now he's all into it.

Oh, and "its not just an A, B, C ending'.  The endings are the same as they were before, essentially!

/facepalm

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DiebytheSword wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

My personal biggest new question is:

If you choose reject, the Reapers win conventionally, therefore the Reapers can win conventionally. Why even offer Shepard any options if winning conventionally is still fully possible? Shepard is completely vulnerable and Starchild doesn't need to explain anything to Shepard regardless...


Great point...wish I had an answer for you.


Simpler than it seems, the Crucible forces the Catalyst to discharge the energy of the crucible and end its rampage, it changes the Catalyst, alters its programming to end the cycle and offer a new solution to its problem.  A more interesting question is how someone figured out how to hack the reapers, which is essentially the first part of what the crucible does.

Still, the Crucible only forces this change and actuates it, the choice must come from those using it, apparently, as the Catalyst defaults to its old solution if ignored.

Shepards collection of EMS, his resultant show of resolve, shapes what the Catalyst/GUARDIAN is willing to show as new solutions.

say though that you have very low ems and destroyed the collector base. why would the catalyst give you the option it's obvious that you don't deserve to win.

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Andromidius wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Andromidius wrote...



Angry Joe... Sigh.

Love how he keeps saying 'fixed', even when its blantantly not.


Never heard of him before ME3, loved his videos on that, but now I'm realizing he might not be the sharpets tool in the shed. He sounded like he was getting paid to say that -.-


I think the question is how much he got paid for that, not if :D


Yeah, its pretty damn fishy honestly.  He was so angry about it, and now he's all into it.

Oh, and "its not just an A, B, C ending'.  The endings are the same as they were before, essentially!

/facepalm

I know it's so annoying people are citing numbers like 3 months and 1.9 gigs as if that means something. I don't care what anyone says the endings are just as terrible as they always were with a coat of paint.

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[quote]agmrpink wrote...

[quote]Cecilia L wrote...

[/quote]
Hm. Buying 10 big DLCs and
in each one finding small pieces of the puzzle does sound like an
interesting idea. Then when you have all the pieces (information, war
assets etc), you can break out of indoctrination or defeat the Reapers
in a true ultimate ending.

Interesting.[/quote]


What if WE, THE PLAYERS, are in fact the ones getting indoctrinated?
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That idea is still being explored and it is why I will refuse to believe the endings on their face unless:

1)Bioware people go right out and say "Indoctrination isn't happening, sorry. The endings are exactly as they are presumed and not theorized." or something along those lines in unequivical terms.

2)Another game comes out (a sequel or new trilogy most likely?) that takes on the endings as, well, just as they were shown (Reaper God, Synthesis, Destroy Reapers, etc).

Until then or something of equal significance, I'll keep the possibility in my mind that Bioware is only trying to get not just 1/3-1/2 of the players to take the endings on their face, but as close to 9/10 as they can.

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Starbuck8 wrote...

Lavans6879 wrote...

plfranke wrote...

I seriously don't understand people. Some of the same people that were furious about the ending and were like "Joker and the crew would never abandon Shepard!" are claiming that they're tearing up now, even though the only thing that's been added is Hackett saying get to the rendezvous point. I mean wasn't that what you could have assumed happened anyway? I'm baffled at all the people that love the ec taken at face value.


Somehow I have a hard time imagining anyone onboard the Normandy abandoning Shep, not just Joker.


The funny thing is, they all had an opportunity to back Shepard up at the very end. But they all flew away, with Joker.


Yeah, Joker's "damn" at the end really wasn't convincing to. At all.

Shepard wasn't the legend, the Normandy was. And he lead it. The legend should have died together, not left Shepard by himself.

I would have preferred an ending where Shepard and his whole crew die together stopping the Reapers, and them being remembered as a whole. Shepard was exceptional, but he was nothing without his team.

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plfranke wrote...

I seriously don't understand people. Some of the same people that were furious about the ending and were like "Joker and the crew would never abandon Shepard!" are claiming that they're tearing up now, even though the only thing that's been added is Hackett saying get to the rendezvous point. I mean wasn't that what you could have assumed happened anyway? I'm baffled at all the people that love the ec taken at face value.


Agreed.

I can never, ever drop this: "I AM SPEAKING TO REAPER GOD CHILD. HE TOOK THE FORM OF A CHILD I HAD NIGHTMARES OF. HE 'CREATED THE REAPERS'. I SHOULD NOT LISTEN TO HIM."