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[CoolioThane]

I'ma still hope for the IT...I love it and it's interesting.

What I hate are all of these ****y pro-enders taking a **** all over the people who do believe in the IT! **** off the thread if you are just going to try and ****** over our interest.

Go circlejerk in your love-in threads.

Yes, I personally enjoyed the EC immensely more than the original, but the IT would make me so fricking happy.

[jasonh10]

I've only posted on this forum a couple of times before, but I noticed something that I haven't seen really addressed. Of course there's about a million posts a minute in this forum right now, so sorry if it has. Anyway, this seems like a good thread to post this.

So in the control ending, Shepard starts off saying that the words 'eternal,' 'immortal' and 'infinite' were words that old Shepard said but didn't understand yada yada yada. I don't remember hearing anyone but Sovereign use those words. Maybe Harbinger did some. He talked a lot and I don't remember. But it was definitely reaper talk.

Then in the synthesis ending, EDI says "... to reach a level of existence I cannot even imagine." Stop me if I'm wrong, but did Sovereign not also say something like that? Something about there being a realm of existence far beyond what you can possibly imagine?

Is this just coincidence, a by-product of 'joining' with reapers,' or maybe something else?

[HellishFiend]

Makrys wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Makrys wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Synthesis: I felt even more sick than I did prior. Holy hell, how do people accept this? I get that people want peace and harmony, but oh my god... how do you not feel sick at that

 You called?

The entire concept of it is just disgusting. And insulting.

Yep, anyone thinking that the new Synthesis ending provides satisfying closure needs to go back to reading teenage fiction. 

Yep. Btw, you've been subbed on YT. 

Thanks. 

[HellishFiend]

New vid below (clicky): 

[PsyrenY]

Golferguy758 wrote...

The fact that IT isn't debunked or proved really rustles my jimmies. I'd rather IT be dead or true, not this limbo crap.

It's impossible to disprove (anything could be a dream, by definition) and they're not going to acknowledge it (ever) so this is as close as you guys will get. Sorry.

CoolioThane wrote...

I'ma still hope for the IT...I love it and it's interesting.

What I hate are all of these ****y pro-enders taking a **** all over the people who do believe in the IT! **** off the thread if you are just going to try and ****** over our interest.

Go circlejerk in your love-in threads.

No one's stopping you from believing what you want.

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 28 juin 2012 - 05:04 .

[Golferguy758]

I'm going to just post a quick thought before bed, and I'm 100% positive it was already said, but for reject ending.

Wow, could it be any more obvious that it's harbinger as the kid? SO BE IT! it actually made me stop rolling my eyes after the other endings to go "wtf?"
And my personal view, if we continued down the IT path, reject just means you don't make a choice to reject the indoctrination or follow it. Then you bleed out and die and reapers win.

Is it true? Probably not because there is a major boner at Bioware for Synthesis and how it's good to remove diversity from the galaxy.

I'm going to go protest in Washington and say that we need to kill off all diversity in the world and make everyone green. I'm sure I won't be called insane or a racist or any of that.

[warlock22]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Ahahahahahahaha

What the hell was that. /facepalm at the expanded endings

Expanding:

Control: Jesus, could Shepard soudn any more like Harbinger? Music just fit everything to be straight up...evil
Destroy: Oh look we are still in the same boat as before
Synthesis: I felt even more sick than I did prior. Holy hell, how do people accept this? I get that people want peace and harmony, but oh my god... how do you not feel sick at that
Reject: This honestly feels like it was just put in to give people a way to vent at how stupid everything still is.

Agreed^ I cant stand synthesis, I mean they did it... better in the EC. It was nice to see EDI actually be alive and all but you change everyone who they are without their permission, its just... wrong and sick and... yeah I dont like it. And control is evil, sorry but that is not Shepard, I hate how he talks about him self as a person like "The man I was helped me achive my goal" "he new he had to become something more powerful" o.O

[BansheeOwnage]

Makrys wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

alright, ladies and gentleman, I'm off to finally go play Dawnguard.
It's going to be-









wait for it-









legendary!

>.< I hate you. I have Skyrim on PC and can't even touch Dawnguard for a month or more. We don't even have a release date.

I'm REALLY excited for Dawnguard. On the plus side, at least I can kill mother****ers while on my horse now.

My only real complaint regarding Dawnguard is lack of being able to marry a certain NPC. They build up a romance but then do nothing with it.

You mean like the end of ME3?
I know this was like 20 pages ago but I just got back

Amen. Essentially my romance was worthless. That was the main thing I wanted from the EC, a reunion with Liara and a final scene with her and Shep relaxing someplace either with or without blue babies. But no, Bioware doesn't give a f***.

Thanks, Bioware.

This pissed me off too. Even if I couldn't see my squad again for w/e reason, I just wanted Shepard to be with her LI. It's even worse now with that really sad goodbye in the EC.

[CoolioThane]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

The fact that IT isn't debunked or proved really rustles my jimmies. I'd rather IT be dead or true, not this limbo crap.

It's impossible to disprove (anything could be a dream, by definition) and they're not going to acknowledge it (ever) so this is as close as you guys will get. Sorry.

CoolioThane wrote...

I'ma still hope for the IT...I love it and it's interesting.

What I hate are all of these ****y pro-enders taking a **** all over the people who do believe in the IT! **** off the thread if you are just going to try and ****** over our interest.

Go circlejerk in your love-in threads.

No one's stopping you from believing what you want.

But having condescending cynics making snide comments whenever we say anything at all is grating. Have you not got anything better to do than try and ****** on bonfires? Christ

[BansheeOwnage]

SwobyJ wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Yep, anyone thinking that the new Synthesis ending provides satisfying closure needs to go back to reading teenage fiction. 

Or they need to get an appointment with a shrink.  Those are some seriously sociopathic themes being advocated there.

Synthesis removed all choice from organics. Don't care about the Reapers though as they methodically commit supermassive genocide.

Control gave ultimate power without the ultimate responsibility. Also confirmed to kill Shepard and just replace him with AI that may, eventually, have a flaw in his armor and eventually create a 'new plan' that is just as bad as the cycle idea.

Destroy did exactly what the freaking plan was from the beginning of the series, but sacrificed geth/EDI (ok..) and more importantly in this context here, it alluded to no peace between synthetics and organics to ever be possible. It was "Ok, you got what you wanted, but you will have it drilled into your head that the big 'peace' thing you want? NEVER gonna happen."

Eugenics
Totalitarianism
Nihilism.

Those are just SOME of the things you involve yourself with.

Great choice of words, though there are many more.

[TJBartlemus]

Well, I finally finished the Waking Nightmare theory: The Extended Cut. *sigh* So tired. Hopefully I got down my idea clearly enough.

http://social.biowar.../blog/214588/ 

First draft. I think I put too much support for literalists, and not enough for IT. Maybe you guys could help me with that. What's your guys thoughts? Any ideas to improve it?? I want to be fair to both. 

[Andromidius]

Interesting indeed, Hellish.

Fixing a 'glitch' on Mars, but not on Cronos Station? Tum tee tum... >_>

[FellishBeast]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Ok, thinking about the new ending scenes more. It feels like BW put all the things the "lovers" of each literal ending choice wanted or headcanoned. Control = rebuild the relays! Synthesis = peace & harmony. Destroy = Defeat the reapers/Shepard's original goal. And to me destroy is not realistic, it's more of a dream. If they were being realistic they should have shown us the geth being deactivated, Joker grieving EDI, the inevitable rise of synthetics.

It's almost like BW just extended their indoctrination dream for them.

Ok, just random my thoughts right now.

Good point about destroy. Why not make you experience the consequences of your actions like in every other part of the golly-darned game?

[HellishFiend]

Andromidius wrote...

Interesting indeed, Hellish.

Fixing a 'glitch' on Mars, but not on Cronos Station? Tum tee tum... >_>

Yep. Very strange. Had all the footage I needed for it thanks to Turbo, so I decided to make a vid instead of just posting screens. 

[BansheeOwnage]

FellishBeast wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Ok, thinking about the new ending scenes more. It feels like BW put all the things the "lovers" of each literal ending choice wanted or headcanoned. Control = rebuild the relays! Synthesis = peace & harmony. Destroy = Defeat the reapers/Shepard's original goal. And to me destroy is not realistic, it's more of a dream. If they were being realistic they should have shown us the geth being deactivated, Joker grieving EDI, the inevitable rise of synthetics.

It's almost like BW just extended their indoctrination dream for them.

Ok, just random my thoughts right now.

Good point about destroy. Why not make you experience the consequences of your actions like in every other part of the golly-darned game?

Your signature reminds me of starkid

[Auralius Carolus]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Also, one OTHER piece of evidence.

The definition of the word "Catalyst" whom, by definition is NOT a Catalyst.

If the literal ending was the intention the whole time, they could have chosen reagent, component, any number of synonyms without the implication that they DIRECTLY defy (the Crucible changed me)

And for that matter, why call it the "Crucible" at all?

Catalyst: A mechanism to create a reaction between two or more substances WITHOUT BEING CONSUMED OR CHANGED BY THE REACTION- it was to be the Catalyst that brought peace between Organic and Synthetic per its own account.

Crucible: An event that requires a titanic undertaking, often over an extended period of time- the Crucible was created, improved and then hidden away over the course of hundreds of thousands, if not millions of years, by many peoples and against all odds.

"The Crucible changed me."

Where did you get THAT definition of Crucible? I have never heard that definition applied to the word.

@ The Catalyst naming: He is not being changed by the reaction, which would be the Reapers, but, instead, the Reaction to them. 

@ The Crucible: Merriams-Webster: Crucible Def. B: A severe test C: A place of situation in which concentrated forces interact to cause or influence change or development.

[warlock22]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Makrys wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

alright, ladies and gentleman, I'm off to finally go play Dawnguard.
It's going to be-









wait for it-









legendary!

>.< I hate you. I have Skyrim on PC and can't even touch Dawnguard for a month or more. We don't even have a release date.

I'm REALLY excited for Dawnguard. On the plus side, at least I can kill mother****ers while on my horse now.

My only real complaint regarding Dawnguard is lack of being able to marry a certain NPC. They build up a romance but then do nothing with it.

You mean like the end of ME3?
I know this was like 20 pages ago but I just got back

Amen. Essentially my romance was worthless. That was the main thing I wanted from the EC, a reunion with Liara and a final scene with her and Shep relaxing someplace either with or without blue babies. But no, Bioware doesn't give a f***.

Thanks, Bioware.

This pissed me off too. Even if I couldn't see my squad again for w/e reason, I just wanted Shepard to be with her LI. It's even worse now with that really sad goodbye in the EC.

I feel the same way, all I wanted was to reuntie with Liara and crew, and get married and have those little blue children thats all. But its like you said BW doesnt care.

[Starbuck8]

FellishBeast wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Ok, thinking about the new ending scenes more. It feels like BW put all the things the "lovers" of each literal ending choice wanted or headcanoned. Control = rebuild the relays! Synthesis = peace & harmony. Destroy = Defeat the reapers/Shepard's original goal. And to me destroy is not realistic, it's more of a dream. If they were being realistic they should have shown us the geth being deactivated, Joker grieving EDI, the inevitable rise of synthetics.

It's almost like BW just extended their indoctrination dream for them.

Ok, just random my thoughts right now.

Good point about destroy. Why not make you experience the consequences of your actions like in every other part of the golly-darned game?

I was expecting for Hacket to even just mention the geth. Nothing. Yeah it makes me kinda mad that we don't see the consequences, and it all seems too happy and nice. Seems way to much like seeing what you want to see or... dream. Maybe they were just trying to please the fan base, idk but it's so removed from the rest of the game to me. Except each ending seems to throw something in there to hint it's not all fine and dandy. Control's reaper-shep monologue. Synthesis husk. Hmm.

Edit: yeah, just throwing some more of my thoughts out there.

Modifié par Starbuck8, 28 juin 2012 - 05:26 .

[comrade gando]

I wonder what the fan reaction would be if bioware in a few weeks releases a surprise DLC that confirms IT was real and there's a whole other segment of the game where you either have an indoctrinated shepard, or not indoctrinated shepard. Your choices mattered, and it's suicide mission 2.0.

[FellishBeast]

I'm watching the episode of South Park where the kids are all traumatized because they saw George Lucas and Steven Spielberg "violate" Indiana Jones in the newer movie and it's reminding me a lot of this situation with ME3. x]

[Starbuck8]

Btw, the EC definitely added some kind of content into the rest of the game. A game that was played with EC installed from before Rannoch through before the Cerberus HQ will not play without EC installed.

I noticed the engineering conversation during this playthrough, after installing EC. Is it the only thing? Hmm.