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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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Crazy Idea here. "What if" and only "what if" situation.
All reapers are controlled from giant space station, it transmits indoctrination signal even through derelict reapers and any indoctrinated species or artifacts. Size of this station = small planet and the main core is in the center. In upcoming DLC Shepard is told by Leviathan that it has a structural weakness. Shepard jumps on the fighter ship along with 7-8 other pilots. And the only way to destroy it is to launch a huge nuke into the vent shaft leading to the center of the station. I think it's a kickass idea, but it might have been used before in some sci-fi, not 100% sure tho.
Lol, just kidding I support the IT and believe that BW is gonna redeem themselves sooner or later. I think they are smart enough to understand that any DLC that will not affect the ending is doomed to fail, horribly. I don't see the point in extra war assets if it doesn't give us an edge against Reapers and I am sure majority of fans wont buy it neither... seriously What's the point we already know how it ended.

Modifié par XanderLav, 28 juin 2012 - 06:32 .


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What would ME4 even be about? Put the galaxy back together after defeating the Reapers/ensure stability between species? Sounds like a job for Shepard to me, assuming he/she doesn't retire early for saving the galaxy 3+ times.

Or, what else, stop the Reapers next cycle...or it could be a Prequel which I don't really like since a lot of big decisions won't have the same weight as the Trilogy does since everything you play through has already happened/been determined (i.e. The Morning War, Quarians are exiled. First Contact War, peace is made. The Prothean Reaper war, the Reapers win, only Javik survives). I'd probably play them anyway, but those ideas seem to make better sidestory DLC for ME3.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

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Oh god. Now all of the endings are ruined for me again. damnitall.


Sorry!  Just brainstorming!

I have nothing to back those ideas up with, and like I said the breath scene is a big mark against it.  But otherwise it would suit the theme, I think.


I know, but now that your thought worm is in my head, Destroy sounds just as bad as all of the others.

Now I know why people hate the ME writers... <_<


Destroy is still my current poison of choice.

But the fact Bioware made it worse does make me very suspitious.

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XanderLav wrote...
Lol, just kidding I support the IT and believe that BW is gonna redeem themselves sooner or later. I think they are smart enough to understand that any DLC that will not affect the ending is doomed to fail, horribly. I don't see the point in extra war assets if it doesn't give us an edge against Reapers and I am sure majority of fans wont buy it neither... seriously What's the point we already know how it ended.


Exactly. They have to have something planned post-ending that will give the trilogy a purpose again, otherwise there is little reason to buy any of the upcoming DLC. 

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What if the Leviathan of DIS is already in the game and the 'suggestion' to play from Cronos on was to delay it's discovery? I'm on a new playthrough right now, but it's slow going due to real life and working on IT vids. It's almost been long enough for someone to trip over it, right?

Keep your ears open...

Modifié par Turbo_J, 28 juin 2012 - 06:33 .


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i personally think the endings are dumb, but i want to say this

if IT was true, and in upcoming DLC/ME4 they show that it was a dream/mental battle or whatever, 99% of people who played ME3 would be like, WTF?!?!

Most people do not have even the remotest idea that the ending could have been "fake"

somewhat related funny sidenote

i meantioned halo 3 earlier, and being in this thread, i thought what if H3's ending was a dream

the last thing you do is basically the last thing you do in halo 1 (warthog run to escape explosion)

just like the conduit runs

haha!


Not if explained very, very well.

And if they still have branches based on your decision.
-Full indoctrination
-Mostly indoctrination
-Partial indoctrination
-Dunno what they would do, if anything, with this Refuse option they just added. Might have been 'canon' for Bioware to have Shepard succumb even while ending the Reapers(?).


if you had never been to the forums or heard of the IT, and they put out ANOTHER endings dlc, you would be very confused as to what is going on in bioware's head.

And honestly, i do not see another free sp dlc for this game, i think we are lucky that we got this one :/

i would love for IT to be true, and have Shep live on to victory, but it doesn't seem that way

but with the destroy/live inding, they could have ME4 be the final moments of covilization fighting the reapers until our final defeat

oh god.....just like halo reach....from the beginning we knew the end....why do i keep seeing halo in everything


You misunderstand me.

The future DLC will be paid, but Bioware has the 3 endings as they currently stand, and they can just say "Hey guys, you all have endings you can enjoy."

Theory:
-Future SP DLC
-it unlocks options in the free EC DLC

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In my eyes, I think they should have gone with the IT. There are so many things in the game that point to IT that don't make sence with the EC. But, as it stands with the destroy ending with high EMS, I am satified. Mass Effect 3 is redeamed in my eyes and is just as replayable as the first two now. Would I have prefered IT in the EC with a pinch of a Harbinger camio? Yes! Would I have prefered a straight forward ending to begin with that didn't leave us with what could of happend and if Shepard is alive? Hell yes! But as it stands, it works just fine. Thanks Bioware.

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Turbo_J wrote...

What if the Leviathan of DIS is already in the game and the 'suggestion' to play from Cronos on was to delay it's discovery? I'm on a new playthrough right now, but it's slow going due to real life and working on IT vids. It's almost been long enough for someone to trip over it, right?

Keep your ears open...


I suppose since we just discovered that the EC does affect things earlier in the game, anything is possible...

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well it is most certainly save us or serve us so either IT is true or we're gonna have to free the Reapers. either way it's gonna be awesome

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HellishFiend wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

What if the Leviathan of DIS is already in the game and the 'suggestion' to play from Cronos on was to delay it's discovery? I'm on a new playthrough right now, but it's slow going due to real life and working on IT vids. It's almost been long enough for someone to trip over it, right?

Keep your ears open...


I suppose since we just discovered that the EC does affect things earlier in the game, anything is possible...

what do you mean what things does it affect?

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plfranke wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

What if the Leviathan of DIS is already in the game and the 'suggestion' to play from Cronos on was to delay it's discovery? I'm on a new playthrough right now, but it's slow going due to real life and working on IT vids. It's almost been long enough for someone to trip over it, right?

Keep your ears open...


I suppose since we just discovered that the EC does affect things earlier in the game, anything is possible...

what do you mean what things does it affect?


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Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Oh god. Now all of the endings are ruined for me again. damnitall.


Sorry!  Just brainstorming!

I have nothing to back those ideas up with, and like I said the breath scene is a big mark against it.  But otherwise it would suit the theme, I think.


I know, but now that your thought worm is in my head, Destroy sounds just as bad as all of the others.

Now I know why people hate the ME writers... <_<


Destroy is still my current poison of choice.

But the fact Bioware made it worse does make me very suspitious.

I don't see how destroy was made worse. It actually seems a little brighter IMO. But I'd still prefer the Geth and EDI to live.

Modifié par OneWithTheAssassins, 28 juin 2012 - 06:42 .


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Did anyone else knowdess how they don't mention Harbinger at all in the final battle now?

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OneWithTheAssassins wrote...
I don't see how destroy was made worse. It actually seems a little brighter IMO. But I'd still prefer the Geth and EDI to live.


Making it very clear all synthetics die, regardless.

No technological golden age, unlike Control and Synthesis.

No galactic peace assured.

(Admittedly the last two are bad in comparison to the other two main endings - both of which were buttered up considerably to try and appeal to the masses.  No manipulation to make the choices the Reapers benefit from most, is there?)

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HellishFiend wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

What if the Leviathan of DIS is already in the game and the 'suggestion' to play from Cronos on was to delay it's discovery? I'm on a new playthrough right now, but it's slow going due to real life and working on IT vids. It's almost been long enough for someone to trip over it, right?

Keep your ears open...


I suppose since we just discovered that the EC does affect things earlier in the game, anything is possible...


I like the idea of extending The Refusal ending. I think it's a legit ending which perfectly fits in ME 3 ending. Did anybody esle think that it was to short compare to other endings? I mean what is the point of adding a new ending and saying: well you're doomed to die fighting. BW did a great job expending original endings and hope, really really hope that future DLC will expend this Refusal ending

Modifié par XanderLav, 28 juin 2012 - 06:48 .


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OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Did anyone else knowdess how they don't mention Harbinger at all in the final battle now?


Anderson mentioned him in my runthrough. As far as I know, they only mention Harbinger if you're playing an import Shep. 

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XanderLav wrote...

I like the idea of epending The Refusal ending. I think it's a legit ending which perfectly fits in ME 3 ending. Did anybody esle think that it was to short compare to other endings? I mean what is the point of adding a new ending and saying: well you're doomed to die fighting. BW did a great job expending original endings and hope, really really hope that future DLC will expend this Refusal ending


Essentially its a swift slap in the face for daring to dislike the original choices.

Or a not-so-subtle confirmation that Starbinger isn't benevolent at all.

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So, I only just found out about this Harby "Serve us" thing about an hour ago. I've listened to it several times now, and I'm fairly confident that's what he's saying. This seems like pretty startling evidence to me.

Just when I thought I had taken off my tinfoil hat for good...

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Andromidius wrote...

XanderLav wrote...

I like the idea of epending The Refusal ending. I think it's a legit ending which perfectly fits in ME 3 ending. Did anybody esle think that it was to short compare to other endings? I mean what is the point of adding a new ending and saying: well you're doomed to die fighting. BW did a great job expending original endings and hope, really really hope that future DLC will expend this Refusal ending


Essentially its a swift slap in the face for daring to dislike the original choices.

Or a not-so-subtle confirmation that Starbinger isn't benevolent at all.

that's more the way I saw it. I thought it was awesome as I'm a huge Harbinger fan. I feel that I have to take that ending every time just to hear the so be it

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HellishFiend wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

What if the Leviathan of DIS is already in the game and the 'suggestion' to play from Cronos on was to delay it's discovery? I'm on a new playthrough right now, but it's slow going due to real life and working on IT vids. It's almost been long enough for someone to trip over it, right?

Keep your ears open...


I suppose since we just discovered that the EC does affect things earlier in the game, anything is possible...


ok now THAT is a stretch. here's where I'm at: after EC my hope for ever seeing shepard get the ending HE deserves...no the SERIES deserves is buried 6 feet under. but I haven't put up the headstone just yet, I recall a tweet from bioware at one point something along the lines of "if you knew what DLC we had planned you'd hold on to your ME3 copies forever". Well I'm going to reluctantly wait. I'm gonna ride this out one last time to see if bioware has any tricks up their sleeves. if they don't then I'm afraid there's no reason to keep these games anymore, hurts me too much to even look at them.

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Turbo_J wrote...

What if the Leviathan of DIS is already in the game and the 'suggestion' to play from Cronos on was to delay it's discovery? I'm on a new playthrough right now, but it's slow going due to real life and working on IT vids. It's almost been long enough for someone to trip over it, right?

Keep your ears open...


lol would have been found by now.
But good thinking.

Modifié par Jade8aby88, 28 juin 2012 - 06:51 .


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plfranke wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

XanderLav wrote...

I like the idea of epending The Refusal ending. I think it's a legit ending which perfectly fits in ME 3 ending. Did anybody esle think that it was to short compare to other endings? I mean what is the point of adding a new ending and saying: well you're doomed to die fighting. BW did a great job expending original endings and hope, really really hope that future DLC will expend this Refusal ending


Essentially its a swift slap in the face for daring to dislike the original choices.

Or a not-so-subtle confirmation that Starbinger isn't benevolent at all.

that's more the way I saw it. I thought it was awesome as I'm a huge Harbinger fan. I feel that I have to take that ending every time just to hear the so be it


Personally I plan on trolling starbinger by walking towards the Synthesis beam and then turning around at the last second and capping him. :devil:

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so guys I've been thinking. Harbinger talking to the other reapers, would that really be necessary if the catalyst was really who he says he is? also there's simply no reason to mention Harbinger at all if there isn't something in the future planned for him.

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clennon8 wrote...

So, I only just found out about this Harby "Serve us" thing about an hour ago. I've listened to it several times now, and I'm fairly confident that's what he's saying. This seems like pretty startling evidence to me.

Just when I thought I had taken off my tinfoil hat for good...


Listen to the noise Shepard makes when they wake up on the Citadel, also Anderson still somwhow manages to get up b4 u....Posted Image

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OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

In my eyes, I think they should have gone with the IT. There are so many things in the game that point to IT that don't make sence with the EC. But, as it stands with the destroy ending with high EMS, I am satified. Mass Effect 3 is redeamed in my eyes and is just as replayable as the first two now. Would I have prefered IT in the EC with a pinch of a Harbinger camio? Yes! Would I have prefered a straight forward ending to begin with that didn't leave us with what could of happend and if Shepard is alive? Hell yes! But as it stands, it works just fine. Thanks Bioware.


I disagree. There are those who advocate the theory that the Reapers can't be beaten conventionally because they are so ancient and powerful. To the same guys: If they are, does it make sense that suddenly Shepard can achieve what this ancient race could not (to find a better solution) by grasping two handles, jumping into a beam or shooting a tube? No. Does it make sense that the Reapers stop at nothing to prevent him from entering the Citadel, and when Shepard finally succeeds, they say "whow cool, you're resourceful, we give you the option to destroy us"? No. EDI says in the very same game that all the Reapers care about is self-preservation. Harbinger said in ME2, in the very last DLC, "your mind will be mine" - and this plot thread is never ever picked up again. The Reapers do nothing but try to create a human reaper since the beginning of ME2, and suddenly at the end of ME3 they decide "screw that, Shep entered the Citadel, let him decide the fate of the galaxy". The literal ending still doesn't make sense. Through the EC, however, it provides enough closure for literalists to be happy and leaves enough evidence for IT-adherents to keep their convictions.

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