55528 réponses à ce sujet

[Starbuck8]

Turbo_J wrote...

warlock22 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...
I don't see how destroy was made worse. It actually seems a little brighter IMO. But I'd still prefer the Geth and EDI to live.

Making it very clear all synthetics die, regardless.

No technological golden age, unlike Control and Synthesis.

No galactic peace assured.

(Admittedly the last two are bad in comparison to the other two main endings - both of which were buttered up considerably to try and appeal to the masses.  No manipulation to make the choices the Reapers benefit from most, is there?)

There is a technological golden age, it may take longer but all the pics at the end are pretty much the same in the endings. The way London looks in all the endings is the same (for example). It still strange because I know EDI is dead in Destroy but they dont get hit by the blast or atleast in the EC the Normandy doesn't even get touched from what it looks like, and EDI was on the ship right? I dont know, I guess the blast still made it to the planet that they landed on. I still think they could rebuild her or boot her up again, the starkid said that it affected all tech right not just synthetic? Or did it say just synthetic? If it did effect everything tech then it must not have been to bad, because it didn't take long for the Normandy to take off again.

Hmmm, Someone needs to side with Adams in engineering on the EDI debate. Agree that the Normandy and EDI are one 'entity'. See what happens to the ship in Destroy then...

Hmm... damn I need to sleep. I just... want to find out what happens. lol

I did side with Adams, before doing Priority: Earth.
What difference are you looking for, exactly?

[Andromidius]

SwobyJ wrote...

I would just super super hope that Leviathan DLC, since it may involve the first Reaper (mentioned in EC! How FITTING.) pre-Harbinger-model, will involve major lore elements. And I mean major. And if it involves major lore elements, it better impact the ending too.

I mean its about the friggin creation of the Reapers. Sheesh,

Might be interesting.  Might also help explain what happened to the Derelict Reaper, and how so much collatoral damage was done to the nearby planet - it was a Reaper on Reaper fight, no holds barred! 

[Starbuck8]

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


Not sure why. I remember hearing it when I did my EC runthrough of London... 

I definitely heard it too on my playthrough. "including harbinger" "harbinger?"

And while we're on the subject, why does Shep seem so damn afraid of Harbinger? He looks positively stricken with fear. So he goes from telling Harby to screw off in Arrival to being terrified by the mention of his name?

Yes, you're right, my femshep sounded quite worried when she said "Harbinger?"

[HellishFiend]

Makrys wrote...

Just a passing thought from someone who loves analyzing literature...

What's the purpose of Indoctrination as a key story theme, revolving around all the major villains, if it wasn't going to come into play in a big way at the end?

It seems perfectly logical to me that Shepard would eventually find himself fighting it, unaware of course.

The nightmares, TIM confrontation, child hallucination in Vancouver, all don't add up without the IT.

So its either, WTF with all the plot holes, Bioware? Or its, will this ever be explained perhaps?

IT remains the only way much of the game makes any sense.

It also makes complete sense, drawing from my earlier and main point, to bring it back around full swing in the end.

Yes, and the way BW is dragging this whole thing out makes even more sense if the "Player Indoctrination Theory" is true. They did say they wanted us to feel what Shep was going through from a first person perspective, after all. 

[Turbo_J]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Well I didn't hear a single mention of Harbinger in my run.

Do you have Arrival? Could it be a flag in the save 'heard of Harbinger' or something maybe?

[HellishFiend]

Starbuck8 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

And while we're on the subject, why does Shep seem so damn afraid of Harbinger? He looks positively stricken with fear. So he goes from telling Harby to screw off in Arrival to being terrified by the mention of his name?

Yes, you're right, my femshep sounded quite worried when she said "Harbinger?"

It's quite visible in Shep's facial expression too.

[Auralius Carolus]

HellishFiend wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...
I got 'Harbinger' and some other reapers are... blah blah blah. But only Harbi ever shows up. Nonsense.

Yeah, it shows dozens of Reapers flying towards Earth.  And then you see loads landing in the distance (or at least, trails of fire), but only Harbinger is defending the conduit.  And only the conduit requires defending, so what are those other Reapers doing?

The "Biotic God" needed a cameo. And Conrad's was disappointing... he should have fricken made an Independence Day spook by flying a fight into a Reaper's eye-beam.

[OneWithTheAssassins]

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


Not sure why. I remember hearing it when I did my EC runthrough of London... 

I definitely heard it too on my playthrough. "including harbinger" "harbinger?"

And while we're on the subject, why does Shep seem so damn afraid of Harbinger? He looks positively stricken with fear. So he goes from telling Harby to screw off in Arrival to being terrified by the mention of his name?

I don't know. It's probably because its easy to talk sh*t to a hologram, but when the two kilometer tall death machine comes flying at you and your on foot with just your gun, I'd be more surprised if he didn't mess his pants.

[Spartas Husky]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...
I got 'Harbinger' and some other reapers are... blah blah blah. But only Harbi ever shows up. Nonsense.

Yeah, it shows dozens of Reapers flying towards Earth.  And then you see loads landing in the distance (or at least, trails of fire), but only Harbinger is defending the conduit.  And only the conduit requires defending, so what are those other Reapers doing?

The "Biotic God" needed a cameo. And Conrad's was disappointing... he should have fricken made an Independence Day spook by flying a fight into a Reaper's eye-beam.

OMG ima save that now!!!!

[Turbo_J]

HellishFiend wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Just a passing thought from someone who loves analyzing literature...

What's the purpose of Indoctrination as a key story theme, revolving around all the major villains, if it wasn't going to come into play in a big way at the end?

It seems perfectly logical to me that Shepard would eventually find himself fighting it, unaware of course.

The nightmares, TIM confrontation, child hallucination in Vancouver, all don't add up without the IT.

So its either, WTF with all the plot holes, Bioware? Or its, will this ever be explained perhaps?

IT remains the only way much of the game makes any sense.

It also makes complete sense, drawing from my earlier and main point, to bring it back around full swing in the end.

Yes, and the way BW is dragging this whole thing out makes even more sense if the "Player Indoctrination Theory" is true. They did say they wanted us to feel what Shep was going through from a first person perspective, after all. 

I said it a long time ago that the endings were the TIM/Anderson confrontation and the EC (because it was not 'changing the endings') was going to be the majik carpet ride to the decision chamber. I think I called it.

[Starbuck8]

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

And while we're on the subject, why does Shep seem so damn afraid of Harbinger? He looks positively stricken with fear. So he goes from telling Harby to screw off in Arrival to being terrified by the mention of his name?

Yes, you're right, my femshep sounded quite worried when she said "Harbinger?"

It's quite visible in Shep's facial expression too.

Hmm, I wonder if/how we're supposed to read into this. Sounds purposeful that they wanted Shep to seem worried or fearful. A pang of fear after Harbinger has been haunting Shep's dreams?

[HellishFiend]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


Not sure why. I remember hearing it when I did my EC runthrough of London... 

I definitely heard it too on my playthrough. "including harbinger" "harbinger?"

And while we're on the subject, why does Shep seem so damn afraid of Harbinger? He looks positively stricken with fear. So he goes from telling Harby to screw off in Arrival to being terrified by the mention of his name?

I don't know. It's probably because its easy to talk sh*t to a hologram, but when the two kilometer tall death machine comes flying at you and your on foot with just your gun, I'd be more surprised if he didn't mess his pants.

You remember that Shep went face to face with the ProtoReaper and a Destroyer, right? The level of fear he shows is out of character regardless. 

[HellishFiend]

Starbuck8 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Yes, you're right, my femshep sounded quite worried when she said "Harbinger?"

It's quite visible in Shep's facial expression too.

Hmm, I wonder if/how we're supposed to read into this. Sounds purposeful that they wanted Shep to seem worried or fearful. A pang of fear after Harbinger has been haunting Shep's dreams?

It's probably similar to how we get the minor view bob in London. Early signs that Shep is starting to seriously wear down. 

[plfranke]

HellishFiend wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


Not sure why. I remember hearing it when I did my EC runthrough of London... 

I definitely heard it too on my playthrough. "including harbinger" "harbinger?"

And while we're on the subject, why does Shep seem so damn afraid of Harbinger? He looks positively stricken with fear. So he goes from telling Harby to screw off in Arrival to being terrified by the mention of his name?

I don't know. It's probably because its easy to talk sh*t to a hologram, but when the two kilometer tall death machine comes flying at you and your on foot with just your gun, I'd be more surprised if he didn't mess his pants.

You remember that Shep went face to face with the ProtoReaper and a Destroyer, right? The level of fear he shows is out of character regardless. 

It should be noted that when Shepard says "Harbinger" he looks directly at the player

[OneWithTheAssassins]

SwobyJ wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


Not sure why. I remember hearing it when I did my EC runthrough of London... 

I definitely heard it too on my playthrough. "including harbinger" "harbinger?"

And while we're on the subject, why does Shep seem so damn afraid of Harbinger? He looks positively stricken with fear. So he goes from telling Harby to screw off in Arrival to being terrified by the mention of his name?

This is significant to me btw.

This is the same Shepard that also did his things on Rannoch and Tuchanka.

Well on both of those ocations he had an ace of a sort. He had a giant laser pointer for a whole fleet to fire at, AND he had a giant worm that had his back the other time. With Harbinger, he had bumkis.

[HellishFiend]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...


This is significant to me btw.

This is the same Shepard that also did his things on Rannoch and Tuchanka.

Well on both of those ocations he had an ace of a sort. He had a giant laser pointer for a whole fleet to fire at, AND he had a giant worm that had his back the other time. With Harbinger, he had bumkis.

Are you saying Kalros "had his back" while he was charging headlong at the Destroyer before he even hit one of the hammers?

[Makrys]

 Also, surely I wasn't the only one who thought this was really creepy: 

You fall down, and immediately Harbinger growls almost as if he's viciously thinking, "I have you now". And as he stands over you, you hear those omninous words that sound like "Serve us." Then the laser.

I just find that whole 10 seconds to be uber creepy.

You felt helpless.

And it really felt like he was thinking, "I have you now".

*cringes* 

Modifié par Makrys, 28 juin 2012 - 07:34 .

[Starbuck8]

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Hmm, I wonder if/how we're supposed to read into this. Sounds purposeful that they wanted Shep to seem worried or fearful. A pang of fear after Harbinger has been haunting Shep's dreams?

It's probably similar to how we get the minor view bob in London. Early signs that Shep is starting to seriously wear down. 

Hmm, regarding this, did Shepard sound very worried or a little desperate just before the last segment of the thanix missile defense when he said "we can do this"

Modifié par Starbuck8, 28 juin 2012 - 07:29 .

[Turbo_J]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


Not sure why. I remember hearing it when I did my EC runthrough of London... 

I definitely heard it too on my playthrough. "including harbinger" "harbinger?"

And while we're on the subject, why does Shep seem so damn afraid of Harbinger? He looks positively stricken with fear. So he goes from telling Harby to screw off in Arrival to being terrified by the mention of his name?

I don't know. It's probably because its easy to talk sh*t to a hologram, but when the two kilometer tall death machine comes flying at you and your on foot with just your gun, I'd be more surprised if he didn't mess his pants.

Umm, did you not play ME1... running up the side of the Citadel towards Sovereign? Without fear... With one goal in mind; maybe two. Stop Saren and kill the overgrown cuddlefish?

Did you forget about the 2 reapers you helped kill on the way to London? Again, without fear.

It was a mental beatdown OOC moment almost as bad giving a crap about a single child while thousands died right in the
vicinity of the Normandy. My Shep would never diminish the lives of the fallen soldier or civilian by pedestalling a single kid she'd not seen until that day. There is no context to say he was ever there on that parkless roof before 'we' join the scene.

[plfranke]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


Not sure why. I remember hearing it when I did my EC runthrough of London... 

I definitely heard it too on my playthrough. "including harbinger" "harbinger?"

And while we're on the subject, why does Shep seem so damn afraid of Harbinger? He looks positively stricken with fear. So he goes from telling Harby to screw off in Arrival to being terrified by the mention of his name?

This is significant to me btw.

This is the same Shepard that also did his things on Rannoch and Tuchanka.

Well on both of those ocations he had an ace of a sort. He had a giant laser pointer for a whole fleet to fire at, AND he had a giant worm that had his back the other time. With Harbinger, he had bumkis.

but that's the thing. Anderson said several sovereign class Reapers including harbinger. it's very important that this is only on an import. I'd love to hear what Shepard says if it's not an import. but back on topic... After Anderson says this Shepard says "Harbinger" he's not even worried about the other reapers. if he said something like "damn it how do we get by them" then maybe we could say it's fear. but this isn't just your everyday fear this is something personal.

[OneWithTheAssassins]

HellishFiend wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...


This is significant to me btw.

This is the same Shepard that also did his things on Rannoch and Tuchanka.

Well on both of those ocations he had an ace of a sort. He had a giant laser pointer for a whole fleet to fire at, AND he had a giant worm that had his back the other time. With Harbinger, he had bumkis.

Are you saying Kalros "had his back" while he was charging headlong at the Destroyer before he even hit one of the hammers?

You know what I mean.
He had a plan in those situations, to him Harbinger came out of nowhere and he had no effective way to fight him off.

[HellishFiend]

Starbuck8 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Hmm, I wonder if/how we're supposed to read into this. Sounds purposeful that they wanted Shep to seem worried or fearful. A pang of fear after Harbinger has been haunting Shep's dreams?

It's probably similar to how we get the minor view bob in London. Early signs that Shep is starting to seriously wear down. 

Hmm, regarding this, did Shepard sound very worried or a little desperate just before the last segment of the thanix missile defense when he said "we can do this"

I dunno, I never got that impression with Manshep on that particular line.