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[plfranke]

so guys I was thinking about the conversations you have with your me2 squadmates before the no mans land thing. It's probably nothing but for some reason your entire squad seems surprised to see you. most notably zaeed says "thought you weren't gonna make it" why? for that matter how did they even get on Earth. if they were charging with the fleet shouldn't they have known Shepard was leading them?

[HellishFiend]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...


This is significant to me btw.

This is the same Shepard that also did his things on Rannoch and Tuchanka.

Well on both of those ocations he had an ace of a sort. He had a giant laser pointer for a whole fleet to fire at, AND he had a giant worm that had his back the other time. With Harbinger, he had bumkis.

Are you saying Kalros "had his back" while he was charging headlong at the Destroyer before he even hit one of the hammers?

You know what I mean.
He had a plan in those situations, to him Harbinger came out of nowhere and he had no effective way to fight him off.

You're not going to convince me that the level of fear Shepard shows when Anderson mentions Harbinger is in-character. It's out of character for him any way you look at it. Shep has been there done that too many times to wet his pants over it. 

[Makrys]

Turbo_J wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Just a passing thought from someone who loves analyzing literature...

What's the purpose of Indoctrination as a key story theme, revolving around all the major villains, if it wasn't going to come into play in a big way at the end?

It seems perfectly logical to me that Shepard would eventually find himself fighting it, unaware of course.

The nightmares, TIM confrontation, child hallucination in Vancouver, all don't add up without the IT.

So its either, WTF with all the plot holes, Bioware? Or its, will this ever be explained perhaps?

IT remains the only way much of the game makes any sense.

It also makes complete sense, drawing from my earlier and main point, to bring it back around full swing in the end.

Yes, and the way BW is dragging this whole thing out makes even more sense if the "Player Indoctrination Theory" is true. They did say they wanted us to feel what Shep was going through from a first person perspective, after all. 

I said it a long time ago that the endings were the TIM/Anderson confrontation and the EC (because it was not 'changing the endings') was going to be the majik carpet ride to the decision chamber. I think I called it.

Explain.

[Turbo_J]

plfranke wrote...

but that's the thing. Anderson said several sovereign class Reapers including harbinger. it's very important that this is only on an import. I'd love to hear what Shepard says if it's not an import. but back on topic... After Anderson says this Shepard says "Harbinger" he's not even worried about the other reapers. if he said something like "damn it how do we get by them" then maybe we could say it's fear. but this isn't just your everyday fear this is something personal.

You may have something here.

Shepard only acknowledges 'Harbinger'.

Harbinger is the only Reaper that shows up.

[plfranke]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...


This is significant to me btw.

This is the same Shepard that also did his things on Rannoch and Tuchanka.

Well on both of those ocations he had an ace of a sort. He had a giant laser pointer for a whole fleet to fire at, AND he had a giant worm that had his back the other time. With Harbinger, he had bumkis.

Are you saying Kalros "had his back" while he was charging headlong at the Destroyer before he even hit one of the hammers?

You know what I mean.
He had a plan in those situations, to him Harbinger came out of nowhere and he had no effective way to fight him off.

you're missing the point of what hellish said. shepard may have had a plan but he was still literally being attacked by the reaper. I've even died a couple of times from the claw smashing me. and there were like a dozen brutes too. the situation is comparably dangerous to Harbinger, not quite as bad because he's freaking Harbinger but still pretty bad.

[Starbuck8]

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Hmm, I wonder if/how we're supposed to read into this. Sounds purposeful that they wanted Shep to seem worried or fearful. A pang of fear after Harbinger has been haunting Shep's dreams?

It's probably similar to how we get the minor view bob in London. Early signs that Shep is starting to seriously wear down. 

Hmm, regarding this, did Shepard sound very worried or a little desperate just before the last segment of the thanix missile defense when he said "we can do this"

I dunno, I never got that impression with Manshep on that particular line. 

Interesting. I might check a vid for it later to compare the line.

[JTP117]

In regards to the comments about BW dragging the full explanations out, I still have many of the BW tweets saved from the first thread where they were hint dropping every damn day that IT had merit. One of them even linked to the original thread Byne made and said something along the lines of "these guys are on the right track". I still believe that BW is trying to indoctrinate us for a big "haha, got you!" moment in upcoming DLC where we find out that Shep was indoc'd and that they had duped all their players. Fingers crossed. There's still tons of evidence in IT's favor.

[Auralius Carolus]

SwobyJ wrote...

Mind you, I don't believe it. I just LOVE theories. Loveemloveemlovem. And stories. And storytelling.

Analysis and Stories: Two of my favorites.

Wanna have some fun with that? Go around the US where all manner of strange creatures are sighted: The Loup Garou of Louisiana, the Sasquatch of Northern California or Washington, Ghosts, etc., then go a spend some time out in the wilds and listen to the noises.

Be sure to bring fresh undies if you're weak in the bowles.

[Turbo_J]

Makrys wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Just a passing thought from someone who loves analyzing literature...

What's the purpose of Indoctrination as a key story theme, revolving around all the major villains, if it wasn't going to come into play in a big way at the end?

It seems perfectly logical to me that Shepard would eventually find himself fighting it, unaware of course.

The nightmares, TIM confrontation, child hallucination in Vancouver, all don't add up without the IT.

So its either, WTF with all the plot holes, Bioware? Or its, will this ever be explained perhaps?

IT remains the only way much of the game makes any sense.

It also makes complete sense, drawing from my earlier and main point, to bring it back around full swing in the end.

Yes, and the way BW is dragging this whole thing out makes even more sense if the "Player Indoctrination Theory" is true. They did say they wanted us to feel what Shep was going through from a first person perspective, after all. 

I said it a long time ago that the endings were the TIM/Anderson confrontation and the EC (because it was not 'changing the endings') was going to be the majik carpet ride to the decision chamber. I think I called it.

Explain.

This is the second Indoctrination attempt of the player. The first one failed on some levels, so this is take two. It has thinned our numbers, so I call that a win; even if a small one, for the Reapers.

[Starbuck8]

plfranke wrote...

so guys I was thinking about the conversations you have with your me2 squadmates before the no mans land thing. It's probably nothing but for some reason your entire squad seems surprised to see you. most notably zaeed says "thought you weren't gonna make it" why? for that matter how did they even get on Earth. if they were charging with the fleet shouldn't they have known Shepard was leading them?

Yeah and it bugged me that both Jacob and Zaeed were just on the citadel right before Cerberus HQ. Guess we have to assume they both happened to get out of there just before the reapers took it over. Just didn't feel right.

[plfranke]

I have some questions if anyone can answer them for me I'd appreciate it. These are all for an import shepard. Is there a codex entry of Harbinger? Is he mentioned on Rannoch? What does Shepard say on Earth after Anderson says several sovereign class Reapers have left the battle. Say that a few times fast. Several Sovereign

[OneWithTheAssassins]

HellishFiend wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...


This is significant to me btw.

This is the same Shepard that also did his things on Rannoch and Tuchanka.

Well on both of those ocations he had an ace of a sort. He had a giant laser pointer for a whole fleet to fire at, AND he had a giant worm that had his back the other time. With Harbinger, he had bumkis.

Are you saying Kalros "had his back" while he was charging headlong at the Destroyer before he even hit one of the hammers?

You know what I mean.
He had a plan in those situations, to him Harbinger came out of nowhere and he had no effective way to fight him off.

You're not going to convince me that the level of fear Shepard shows when Anderson mentions Harbinger is in-character. It's out of character for him any way you look at it. Shep has been there done that too many times to wet his pants over it. 

May I remind you that they didn't mention Harbinger in my import playthrough with the EC in place. So I didn't see it to begin with. All I'm saying is that I would understand that Shepard would be a little worried that Harbinger is coming his way and he doesn't have any way to stop him.

[Auralius Carolus]

JTP117 wrote...

In regards to the comments about BW dragging the full explanations out, I still have many of the BW tweets saved from the first thread where they were hint dropping every damn day that IT had merit. One of them even linked to the original thread Byne made and said something along the lines of "these guys are on the right track". I still believe that BW is trying to indoctrinate us for a big "haha, got you!" moment in upcoming DLC where we find out that Shep was indoc'd and that they had duped all their players. Fingers crossed. There's still tons of evidence in IT's favor.

I don't recall many of those tweets, nor the "every day" nature of them...

[HellishFiend]

plfranke wrote...

I have some questions if anyone can answer them for me I'd appreciate it. These are all for an import shepard. Is there a codex entry of Harbinger? Is he mentioned on Rannoch? What does Shepard say on Earth after Anderson says several sovereign class Reapers have left the battle. Say that a few times fast. Several Sovereign

There is an entry for Harbinger, but aside from that, he is never mentioned in-game until Anderson says he's headed towards the beam to guard it. 

[Andromidius]

JTP117 wrote...

In regards to the comments about BW dragging the full explanations out, I still have many of the BW tweets saved from the first thread where they were hint dropping every damn day that IT had merit. One of them even linked to the original thread Byne made and said something along the lines of "these guys are on the right track". I still believe that BW is trying to indoctrinate us for a big "haha, got you!" moment in upcoming DLC where we find out that Shep was indoc'd and that they had duped all their players. Fingers crossed. There's still tons of evidence in IT's favor.

Links?  Would be nice to see those again.

Oh, and it seems people are using the Reaper IFF on the Normandy as a reason why Harbinger doesn't shoot it down while its hovering in front of him for ages.  Yeah.

[plfranke]

You know what would be awesome. If Bioware continued this not confirming or denying IT thing until in the last piece of dlc you're asked a question to the effect of "Do you think you're indoctrinated" and if you say no you lose the game and you can't ever go back and win.

[plfranke]

HellishFiend wrote...

plfranke wrote...

I have some questions if anyone can answer them for me I'd appreciate it. These are all for an import shepard. Is there a codex entry of Harbinger? Is he mentioned on Rannoch? What does Shepard say on Earth after Anderson says several sovereign class Reapers have left the battle. Say that a few times fast. Several Sovereign

There is an entry for Harbinger, but aside from that, he is never mentioned in-game until Anderson says he's headed towards the beam to guard it. 

But what does Shepard say in response? Anything?

[Starbuck8]

HellishFiend wrote...

plfranke wrote...

I have some questions if anyone can answer them for me I'd appreciate it. These are all for an import shepard. Is there a codex entry of Harbinger? Is he mentioned on Rannoch? What does Shepard say on Earth after Anderson says several sovereign class Reapers have left the battle. Say that a few times fast. Several Sovereign

There is an entry for Harbinger, but aside from that, he is never mentioned in-game until Anderson says he's headed towards the beam to guard it. 

Don't forget "harbinger speaks of you" on rannoch

[HellishFiend]

plfranke wrote...

You know what would be awesome. If Bioware continued this not confirming or denying IT thing until in the last piece of dlc you're asked a question to the effect of "Do you think you're indoctrinated" and if you say no you lose the game and you can't ever go back and win.

That would be a little anticlimactic, lol. If theyre not going to resolve it in ME3, then I would prefer them to resolve it by having the consequences/results of the indoc attempt manifested in future games. That way we'd have to draw conclusions based on the differences.

[HellishFiend]

Starbuck8 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

plfranke wrote...

I have some questions if anyone can answer them for me I'd appreciate it. These are all for an import shepard. Is there a codex entry of Harbinger? Is he mentioned on Rannoch? What does Shepard say on Earth after Anderson says several sovereign class Reapers have left the battle. Say that a few times fast. Several Sovereign

There is an entry for Harbinger, but aside from that, he is never mentioned in-game until Anderson says he's headed towards the beam to guard it. 

Don't forget "harbinger speaks of you" on rannoch

Oh, right, forgot about that one. 

[plfranke]

Andromidius wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

In regards to the comments about BW dragging the full explanations out, I still have many of the BW tweets saved from the first thread where they were hint dropping every damn day that IT had merit. One of them even linked to the original thread Byne made and said something along the lines of "these guys are on the right track". I still believe that BW is trying to indoctrinate us for a big "haha, got you!" moment in upcoming DLC where we find out that Shep was indoc'd and that they had duped all their players. Fingers crossed. There's still tons of evidence in IT's favor.

Links?  Would be nice to see those again.

Oh, and it seems people are using the Reaper IFF on the Normandy as a reason why Harbinger doesn't shoot it down while its hovering in front of him for ages.  Yeah.

lol the funny thing is shepard looks back at Harbinger right before the normandy takes off and he's staring right at him. and then when the normandy flies away it turns to look directly at the normandy.

edit: I mean he! He looks directly at the normandy!
... I'm sorry Harbinger I've failed you.

Modifié par plfranke, 28 juin 2012 - 07:46 .

[Makrys]

 Here's the scene where Shepard seems to show fear at the mention of Harbinger: 

This is pre-EC by the way, so it was there originally. 

Now, looking for a ME3 only playthrough version.

Modifié par Makrys, 28 juin 2012 - 07:46 .

[Starbuck8]

Makrys wrote...

 Here's the scene where Shepard seems to show fear at the mention of Harbinger: 

This is pre-EC by the way, so it was there originally. 

Now, looking for a ME3 only playthrough version.

Oh. That's a little creepy when he looks at the camera.