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fishfang wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
Thats why Bioware writers get paid to write.I cant answer that question, but that doesnt mean Bioware cant...
well, to me we not only have to find clues for iT in the game, we also need to make sure what consequences it would have. pretty one sided now here in this forum. Maybe thats why Bioware gave up on it at some point....
gunslinger_ruiz wrote...
Huh, alright, the Destroyer you face down in London makes the same "serve/save/join us" sound that Harbinger does. It does this in the very beginning of the cutscene for the ground troops (turian krogan asari salarian) vs the Destroyer. Will try to find a vid.
Starbuck8 wrote...
fishfang wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
fishfang wrote...
I totally share your opinion that the ending leaves us with too many flaws, not just the ones i mention above. If someone can give me answers to that, would still highly appreciate it.
But, lets say IT is true : We choose refusal and "wake up" . Where would be start all over again?
-at the beam where harbinger hit us?
-at the beginning of Mass effect 3, ( remember we got unconsious there, when the reaper suddenly attacked alliance headquarters in vancouver, theres also one scene where "camera" goes straight to sheppard while he was watching the emerge of Reapers in Vancouver...just focus on his eyes....
- back to Arrival DLC, where he was unconcious for 2 days and got in toch with a reaper artifact??
And from there, how would we finish the story? What ending would make sense? For me, "waking up" just before the beam would be difficult to finish it without leaving other flaws again.
Thats why Bioware writers get paid to write.
well, to me we not only have to find clues for iT in the game, we also need to make sure what consequences it would have. pretty one sided now here in this forum. Maybe thats why Bioware gave up on it at some point....so we have to write the IT endng ourselves and submit it to BioWare?
Salient Archer wrote...
Is anyone else bothered by the fact that if the SR2 was available for an evac why didn't Joker use it to transport the troops there in the first place? or why didn't he try to reign all hell down on Harby with his Thanix canons? Even if it was just to keep Harbinger on edge while the troops charge at the beam. I mean clearly the Normandy is either protected by plot-armour or capable of hiding in Harbinger's blindspots; which are apparently massive and right in front of him; (Now there's a Reaper design oversight if there ever was one). Any which way; It still feels out of character for Joker to be so inactive during such a crucial battle.
BansheeOwnage wrote...
Unless you're femshep in which case:Auralius Carolus wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
Also there is no one laying next to Shepard in this case.
Real men sleep with Quarian chicks... with Quarian BUM BUM!
Just saying...
Real women sleep with Asari ... with Asari azure!
Just saying...
fishfang wrote...
Starbuck8 wrote...
NO, but we need to be aware regardless of IT or not, there will be flaws anyway if we wake up just before the beam. Nice to check in game "evidence" about IT, but to me evidence for an other ending is more story related, there we should focus on.
the really funny thing is people seem to love itSire Styx wrote...
I know we can probably find stuff to support IT in this new ending, but to me it just seems to enfore the lazy bioware/terrible writer theorys. If this is how the ending was supposed to be (like, to be taken literal) then the previous ending was bloody terrible.
There are some annoying bits that just seem to be shoehorned in to patch up the plotholes, but they open up more plotholes. Like the normandy bit. Joker essentially pilots the space ship down into an area where giant lasers are being fired. The length of time it was there was stupid, surely it would have been shot. Joker may aswell have brought a picnic out and had a break for lunch.
To me, all this EC showed is that Bioware shipped the game with a sub-standard ending, then patched it to a mere mediocre ending that was still full of plothole :S I'm not sure how we can really take anything from the ending as bioware intending it to be there, just because of all these mistakes.
Starbuck8 wrote...
gunslinger_ruiz wrote...
Huh, alright, the Destroyer you face down in London makes the same "serve/save/join us" sound that Harbinger does. It does this in the very beginning of the cutscene for the ground troops (turian krogan asari salarian) vs the Destroyer. Will try to find a vid.
Huh. Before EC or after?
rofl I just cracked up reading this.HellishFiend wrote...
fishfang wrote...
Starbuck8 wrote...
NO, but we need to be aware regardless of IT or not, there will be flaws anyway if we wake up just before the beam. Nice to check in game "evidence" about IT, but to me evidence for an other ending is more story related, there we should focus on.
How exactly is writing an ending that hasnt happened yet considered "evidence"?
gunslinger_ruiz wrote...
Starbuck8 wrote...
gunslinger_ruiz wrote...
Huh, alright, the Destroyer you face down in London makes the same "serve/save/join us" sound that Harbinger does. It does this in the very beginning of the cutscene for the ground troops (turian krogan asari salarian) vs the Destroyer. Will try to find a vid.
Huh. Before EC or after?
Post EC for the time I just heard it, and here's a pre-EC (dated march 11) vid with the similar sound: click here.
Doesn't sound quite the same but I'm pretty tired, sounds similar at least.
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Modifié par Jusseb, 28 juin 2012 - 08:42 .
HellishFiend wrote...
fishfang wrote...
Starbuck8 wrote...
NO, but we need to be aware regardless of IT or not, there will be flaws anyway if we wake up just before the beam. Nice to check in game "evidence" about IT, but to me evidence for an other ending is more story related, there we should focus on.
How exactly is writing an ending that hasnt happened yet considered "evidence"?
Modifié par fishfang, 28 juin 2012 - 08:42 .
Haven't had the time to read the forums in the past few days due to a very hectic work schedule (had a "sick day" to play the ECStarbuck8 wrote...
Salient Archer wrote...
Has anyone been able to clearly work out what Harbinger says here: http://youtu.be/BeGZOSK1OFw?t=1m55s
To me it sounds like "serve us" but as we aren't offered any subtitles to clarify it I'd be interested to hear it isolated without the background noise. So if anyone has the means to unpack the EC and hunt down those audio files let me know because I'm damn curious as to what Harby-pants actually says.
A lot of us agree he says "serve us". Did you happen to come to the "serve us" interpretation on your own?
) so I didn't realise that the general consensus was "serve us" I just felt that's what he said after about my 3rd charge to the beam as the only other thing I could think of was "nerve puss" or maybe "perve bus" which make far less sense... or do they!?
Salient Archer wrote...
Haven't had the time to read the forums in the past few days due to a very hectic work schedule (had a "sick day" to play the ECStarbuck8 wrote...
Salient Archer wrote...
Has anyone been able to clearly work out what Harbinger says here: http://youtu.be/BeGZOSK1OFw?t=1m55s
To me it sounds like "serve us" but as we aren't offered any subtitles to clarify it I'd be interested to hear it isolated without the background noise. So if anyone has the means to unpack the EC and hunt down those audio files let me know because I'm damn curious as to what Harby-pants actually says.
A lot of us agree he says "serve us". Did you happen to come to the "serve us" interpretation on your own?
But now we have to think about what gunslinger_ruiz just posted 
alberto4395 wrote...
So where does IT stand with the EC?
Thats one reason I will never choose synthesis. I didn't even think of that before EC.HellishFiend wrote...
alberto4395 wrote...
So where does IT stand with the EC?
This Synthesized Husk certainly hopes that IT is real, because he doesnt want to live out his life as a self-aware husk.
fishfang wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
fishfang wrote...
Starbuck8 wrote...
NO, but we need to be aware regardless of IT or not, there will be flaws anyway if we wake up just before the beam. Nice to check in game "evidence" about IT, but to me evidence for an other ending is more story related, there we should focus on.
How exactly is writing an ending that hasnt happened yet considered "evidence"?
i dont understand you here, but anyhow. If you think clearly , if IT is true, game need to be restart long time before the events of "earth". i always considered sheppard got indoctrinated right at the beginning of the game when he got unconcious. That might have been the reapers plan after all, they maybe knew where sheppard was, and therefore striked first in Vancouver to capture him.
HellishFiend wrote...
Salient Archer wrote...
Is anyone else bothered by the fact that if the SR2 was available for an evac why didn't Joker use it to transport the troops there in the first place? or why didn't he try to reign all hell down on Harby with his Thanix canons? Even if it was just to keep Harbinger on edge while the troops charge at the beam. I mean clearly the Normandy is either protected by plot-armour or capable of hiding in Harbinger's blindspots; which are apparently massive and right in front of him; (Now there's a Reaper design oversight if there ever was one). Any which way; It still feels out of character for Joker to be so inactive during such a crucial battle.
There are so many things wrong with that scene, I cant see how we're expected to believe that it's real.
Modifié par MaximizedAction, 28 juin 2012 - 08:49 .
HellishFiend wrote...
alberto4395 wrote...
So where does IT stand with the EC?
This Synthesized Husk certainly hopes that IT is real, because he doesnt want to live out his life as a self-aware husk.
Auralius Carolus wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
Also there is no one laying next to Shepard in this case.
Real men sleep with Quarian chicks... with Quarian BUM BUM!
Just saying...
Roboviking wrote...
While I'm glad they decided to clarify one of the most annoying holes in the ending, i.e. how the heck did my teammates get to the normandy, It does require quite the leap of logic. For instance:
Shepard: Guys, there's a killing field in front of us, Harbinger is gonna shoot at us, but someone's got to get to that magic teleport laser. We have no choice but to make a no holds barred, all out, mad dash for it.
Soldiers: Yeah! Alright! Let's do this!
<As they race down the hill many soldiers are vaporized, and some just get blown back. It's starting to look hopeless when Shepard's crew members very nearly get a truck dropped on them.>
Shepard: Time out!
Soldiers:What?
Harbinger: What?
Shepard: Time out! Hey Harbinger! Stop shooting for a sec!
Harbinger: .....okay....
Shepard: Hey Joker, I know you are out fighting in space and all but could you traverse the 100,000 miles from there to here through reaper controlled space in like 10 seconds? My teammates almost got hit by a truck.
Joker: Sure thing!
<The Normandy flies over and opens it's doors to pick up the crew members.>
Shepard: Alight, on ya go.
Garrus: Hey shepard, think we got time for one more macho/dramatic goodbye?
<Shepard looks to Harbinger who's patiently waiting.>
Shepard: Sure, don't see why not.
Garrus: cool. Ummm.. I want to go with you.
Shepard: Nope, someone's got to live.
Garrus: Won't be you! Taste the rainbow Shepard!
Shepard: Eat it Garrus!
<The Normandy flies off slowly while the crew waves goodbye to everyone>
Shepard: Alright! Game on!
Soldiers: Game on!
Harbinger: GAAAAAAME OOOOOOON!
<Harbinger shoots Shepard in the face with a giant laser>
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