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The problem with the Crucible/Reaper trap theory (which I like and support) is that there is then no way to win against the Reapers...
I would argue that that is not the case (that there is no way to win). What is required is a means to alter the Crucible to turn the trap back upon the Reapers, much as the Protheans altered the Citadel. Of course, that requires in depth knowledge of how the Crucible works, a working knowledge of Reaper tech, and a trump card to base the alterations around, such as the Reaper override signal discovered by Mr. Lawson. Let's see, who would have all those things.... Oh right, the shades of grey antagonist who oddly lost all his marbles in the current ending.
This is one reason I promote the idea of Cerberus taking over Omega to convert the station into their own version of the Crucible, viability linked directly to whether or not one saves the Collector base in ME2.
You quoted the wrong person...
I apologize. That's what happens when posting late at night from an iPad that doesn't like the text field interface used on these forums. Still, my bad.
From my point of view, the Crucible is a weapon which was indeed made by ancient races but discovered by the Reapers at some point before it was completely finished (I just can't buy that they never knew about it) and "altered" to their own advantage (for example, removing a vital component "the catalyst" which could be the Citadel or something else. Like taking out the battery of a car) The result is that the threatened civilizations, who are persuaded that there is no other way to win, put all what they got (resources, time, people) on building it and search for the last component... Evnetually they think they found it --->the Citadel in this cycle. You know the rest, all the fleets gather at one place making the reaper's job easy...
Some people think it's an amplificator for a "low" indoctrination signal (enough to submit but not to huskify, since it would spoil the harvest), other that it's made to lead Shepard right into his own indoctrination and so on...
Edit : Your theory is interesting. But what would be the missing component ? TIM is in this case not indoctrinated or I'm wrong ?
In this case the Illusive Man still knows what he's doing. He has continued to defy indoctrination, though it may be a fine line. It's the ending and plot I wish we were getting, but it's also just speculation.
At the very beginning of the game TIM has Dr. Eva steal the designs for the Crucible and also attempt to prevent the Alliance or anyone else from getting them. I'm guessing that Eva had already sent TIM enough information on the device that TIM, with his network's ever increasing expertise in Reaper Tech, could identify it as both a trap and an opportunity. So on the one hand he'd want a copy of the full archives to help turn the trap on its ear and on the other hand deleting the archives could actually be saving the races of the galaxy from the Reaper trap. Of course, he couldn't reveal any of that to us at the time because it could tip his hand to the Reapers (loose lips sink ships, don't provide information you don't need to know, etc). Either way, TIM already has the crucible data when you first talk to him.
The game progresses and the Reapers must think that Cerberus is another one of these "control the Reapers" factions that have shown up in cycles past, dividing the order of battle of the galaxy and generally making the Reapers' job easier. In part because of Cerberus' seemingly nonsensical moves such as the assassination attempt on the Council, the Reapers don't figure out that Cerberus is holding the plans needed to destroy the Death Star, as it were, until Mr. Lawson cracks the control signal code on Horizon.
Now this is interesting to me. If the Crucible is in fact an indoctrination device, then isn't it funny that Hackett orders the destruction of Cerberus right after Horizon? I mean, on the one hand we have the Crucible that we don't know what does. On the other hand we've just learned that Cerberus has a Reaper override signal that works but needs to be boosted. Wouldn't it make more sense to use Lawson's data, chuck the Crucible to the side, and work on a great big transmitter instead?
Well, the thing is, the Crucible IS a giant transmitter in this case, isn't it? If it's a mass indoctrination device of unprecedented scale, then it is exactly what TIM needs to broadcast his override signal. That's why I would have Cerberus building their own Crucible using Omega as a superstructure to speed construction and the remains of the Collector Base as building materials. Whatever alterations the Reapers may have made to the designs to render the Crucible into a trap for organics is now turned on its ear. Unfortunately, this would be DLC territory and it doesn't appear to have worked out by the time we get to the end of the game.
I admit that I've gone beyond speculation and well into fanfic territory here. Regardless, the ending as it stands makes no sense to me without the indoctrination theory. I far prefer to believe that that wasn't TIM we saw on the Citadel at the end, but that the REAL TIM may yet be up there somewhere putting his real plan into motion (the Cerberus invasion of the Citadel would have been great cover to sneak in some special equipment, wouldn't it?).
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