Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!
#33026
Posté 28 juin 2012 - 12:59
At 1:50
#33027
Posté 28 juin 2012 - 01:01
EpyonX3 wrote...
MaximizedAction wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
Earthborn_Shepard wrote...
MaximizedAction wrote...
Earthborn_Shepard wrote...
By the way, who else thinks that in Destroy, the LI should have done the talking instead of Hackett? Would have been more emotional...
I think the background voices are supposed to represent the resp. choices' themes. So, besides adding at least some emotion, an LI narrated Destroy epilogue wouldn't really be fitting.
Now, Morgan Freeman as narrator, that would've been sweeet!
Starbinger would have been more acceptable as played by Morgan Freeman
he would then give Shepard the power to control the Reapers to stop his constant nagging
Shepard would abuse the Reapers for his personal goals and learn important life lessons
If the Catalyst was voiced by Morgan Freeman, I think all options would sound like gold and bioware would never had made EC. We'd all just be indoctrinated by Morgan Freeman!
EDIT: "The relays will be destroyed...Like a Twinky...Like a twinky...." /Freeman
****** sprinkles.
I'm assuming that means "Great joke there, Epyonx3!"
Yes, but also this famous meme:
#33028
Posté 28 juin 2012 - 01:11
MaximizedAction wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
MaximizedAction wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
Earthborn_Shepard wrote...
MaximizedAction wrote...
Earthborn_Shepard wrote...
By the way, who else thinks that in Destroy, the LI should have done the talking instead of Hackett? Would have been more emotional...
I think the background voices are supposed to represent the resp. choices' themes. So, besides adding at least some emotion, an LI narrated Destroy epilogue wouldn't really be fitting.
Now, Morgan Freeman as narrator, that would've been sweeet!
Starbinger would have been more acceptable as played by Morgan Freeman
he would then give Shepard the power to control the Reapers to stop his constant nagging
Shepard would abuse the Reapers for his personal goals and learn important life lessons
If the Catalyst was voiced by Morgan Freeman, I think all options would sound like gold and bioware would never had made EC. We'd all just be indoctrinated by Morgan Freeman!
EDIT: "The relays will be destroyed...Like a Twinky...Like a twinky...." /Freeman
****** sprinkles.
I'm assuming that means "Great joke there, Epyonx3!"
Yes, but also this famous meme:
Most Epic Meme Ever!
#33029
Posté 28 juin 2012 - 01:13
v0rt3x22 wrote...
Earthborn_Shepard wrote...
JestersShade wrote...
Sorry but just read this one that seems pretty clear to me :
https://twitter.com/...107278174339073
IMHO, that's bullsh*t. Maybe there won't be the war Synthetics vs. Organics anymore, but there can still be wars. It's not like they're all friends now.
Sorry guys I can't access twitter - could someone be so kind and paste what he said?
Question was: "Picking Synthesis stops Synthetics from one day wiping out Organics? Is this correct? Yes or no shall suffice. Thanks!"
Gamble's Response: "Yes"
Modifié par EpyonX3, 28 juin 2012 - 01:14 .
#33030
Posté 28 juin 2012 - 01:14
paxxton wrote...
The SP DLCs might add War Assets and allies to Shepard's army. At some point in the future chosing Reject won't mean losing the war as Liara's hologram recalls in the closing cinematic.
Anyway, Reject is an intriguing addition to the endings we've got in ME3. It clearly shows that BioWare changed the ending, at least superficially. The only justification for Reject not compromising their artistic integrity is if its outcome is the same as one of the original endings. In IT that would be Destroy.
Modifié par paxxton, 28 juin 2012 - 01:18 .
#33031
Posté 28 juin 2012 - 01:16
#33032
Posté 28 juin 2012 - 01:17
#33033
Posté 28 juin 2012 - 01:21
#33034
Posté 28 juin 2012 - 01:23
EpyonX3 wrote...
v0rt3x22 wrote...
Earthborn_Shepard wrote...
JestersShade wrote...
Sorry but just read this one that seems pretty clear to me :
https://twitter.com/...107278174339073
IMHO, that's bullsh*t. Maybe there won't be the war Synthetics vs. Organics anymore, but there can still be wars. It's not like they're all friends now.
Sorry guys I can't access twitter - could someone be so kind and paste what he said?
Question was: "Picking Synthesis stops Synthetics from one day wiping out Organics? Is this correct? Yes or no shall suffice. Thanks!"
Gamble's Response: "Yes"
Well, of COURSE it stops organics and synthetics from fighting, there AREN'T any organics and synthetics anymore. Just genetical identical things.
#33035
Posté 28 juin 2012 - 01:37
#33036
Posté 28 juin 2012 - 01:41
SubAstris wrote...
Silhouett3 wrote...
What's the difference EC makes? They may have changed their original intention or sticked with it, but regardless of the intention the endings and the narrative are now essentially the same - extended.
Well if they did change from intending IT originally to one that bolsters a face-value explanation and sidelines IT in the EC, then you have to ask why that is. Many ITers are very quick to say that "IT has massive support!", yet BW's actions show otherwise.
Sorry you aren't getting the point. IT could only born with the present narrative -symptoms of indoctrination , a manipulative Catalyst, Shep trusting a Reaper, two Reaper doctrine choices, violation of main themes etc etc- and it completely has been preserved in the EC. Which means both the reasons for IT to exists in the first place and the problems within the ending only IT could solve are still there.
Even if Bioware had not originally intended, they were aware of it during development of EC. Say you are right about EC, what is stopping Bioware from openly debunking IT right now?
#33037
Posté 28 juin 2012 - 01:42
Sorry but that's not even remotely true. There are different species and different synthetics in Mass Effect. Joining them into one doesn't mean there's going to be a single organic-synthetic species. It depends on which compoenent species are joined.Dwailing wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
v0rt3x22 wrote...
Earthborn_Shepard wrote...
JestersShade wrote...
Sorry but just read this one that seems pretty clear to me :
https://twitter.com/...107278174339073
IMHO, that's bullsh*t. Maybe there won't be the war Synthetics vs. Organics anymore, but there can still be wars. It's not like they're all friends now.
Sorry guys I can't access twitter - could someone be so kind and paste what he said?
Question was: "Picking Synthesis stops Synthetics from one day wiping out Organics? Is this correct? Yes or no shall suffice. Thanks!"
Gamble's Response: "Yes"
Well, of COURSE it stops organics and synthetics from fighting, there AREN'T any organics and synthetics anymore. Just genetical identical things.
Modifié par paxxton, 28 juin 2012 - 01:47 .
#33038
Posté 28 juin 2012 - 01:42
#33039
Posté 28 juin 2012 - 01:42
Salient Archer wrote...
It's a bit hard for synthetics to wipe out organics considering synthesis removes the division and distinction, I'm guessing the guy never looked up the meaning of synthesis before asking. I understand why gamble gave it such a short answer considering it was such an ill thought out question to begin with.
I think the question is not trivial, if you only look at the exterior appearance. Of course then organics and synthetics look different, e.g. EDI and Joker.
The mindset is now approx. the same.
One wonders if the way they look will converge with time.
#33040
Posté 28 juin 2012 - 01:44
Salient Archer wrote...
Hmm, just noticed something interesting. My Sheaprd had never actually seen Harbinger before, his first sighting of him was the beam charge. What I mean to say is that my canon Shep did the Arrival mission before he destroyed the collector base in ME2, so rather than speaking to an image of Harbinger he spoke to Harby in Collector General form. So to be honest it feels rather strange that not only did this Reaper have a name that instilled fear in my Sheaprd but apparently Anderson knew what it looked like and what it was called despite having know way of knowing it.
Doesn't the codex have an entry on Harbinger? That means, that everyone knows what he looks like.
Modifié par MaximizedAction, 28 juin 2012 - 01:44 .
#33041
Posté 28 juin 2012 - 01:45
Are you assuming that Shepard was silent for 6 months between ME2 and 3 and never talked about Harbinger with anyone?Salient Archer wrote...
Hmm, just noticed something interesting. My Sheaprd had never actually seen Harbinger before, his first sighting of him was the beam charge. What I mean to say is that my canon Shep did the Arrival mission before he destroyed the collector base in ME2, so rather than speaking to an image of Harbinger he spoke to Harby in Collector General form. So to be honest it feels rather strange that not only did this Reaper have a name that instilled fear in my Sheaprd but apparently Anderson knew what it looked like and what it was called despite having know way of knowing it.
#33042
Posté 28 juin 2012 - 01:47
Synthesis won't end all wars. It will just stop synthetics from surpassing organics to the point where synthetics will wipe them out. It applies to organics as well. We can't look at it as Organic vs Synthetic anymore. We ned to come up with a word for that type of being.paxxton wrote...
Sorry but that's not even remotely true. There are different species and different synthetics in Mass Effect. Joining them into one doesn't mean there's going to be a single organic-synthetic species. It depends on which two are joined.Dwailing wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
v0rt3x22 wrote...
Earthborn_Shepard wrote...
JestersShade wrote...
Sorry but just read this one that seems pretty clear to me :
https://twitter.com/...107278174339073
IMHO, that's bullsh*t. Maybe there won't be the war Synthetics vs. Organics anymore, but there can still be wars. It's not like they're all friends now.
Sorry guys I can't access twitter - could someone be so kind and paste what he said?
Question was: "Picking Synthesis stops Synthetics from one day wiping out Organics? Is this correct? Yes or no shall suffice. Thanks!"
Gamble's Response: "Yes"
Well, of COURSE it stops organics and synthetics from fighting, there AREN'T any organics and synthetics anymore. Just genetical identical things.
#33043
Posté 28 juin 2012 - 01:48
I'm not actually talking of progressive evolution of the situation, I'm just saying that as it stands organics don't truly exist after synthesis (even the flora had circuity) so its very hard for a synthetic to wipe out something that doesn't exist anymore, it would be like us trying to kill dodo birds.MaximizedAction wrote...
Salient Archer wrote...
It's a bit hard for synthetics to wipe out organics considering synthesis removes the division and distinction, I'm guessing the guy never looked up the meaning of synthesis before asking. I understand why gamble gave it such a short answer considering it was such an ill thought out question to begin with.
I think the question is not trivial, if you only look at the exterior appearance. Of course then organics and synthetics look different, e.g. EDI and Joker.
The mindset is now approx. the same.
One wonders if the way they look will converge with time.
#33044
Posté 28 juin 2012 - 01:50
Dwailing wrote...
Holy crap! I just realized what the green eyes in Synthesis remind me of! Look here, and tell me that those eyes don't look pretty similar.
Since we're talking about Synthesis, anyone going to comment on this?
#33045
Posté 28 juin 2012 - 01:50
SynergicsEpyonX3 wrote...
Synthesis won't end all wars. It will just stop synthetics from surpassing organics to the point where synthetics will wipe them out. It applies to organics as well. We can't look at it as Organic vs Synthetic anymore. We ned to come up with a word for that type of being.paxxton wrote...
Sorry but that's not even remotely true. There are different species and different synthetics in Mass Effect. Joining them into one doesn't mean there's going to be a single organic-synthetic species. It depends on which two are joined.Dwailing wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
v0rt3x22 wrote...
Earthborn_Shepard wrote...
JestersShade wrote...
Sorry but just read this one that seems pretty clear to me :
https://twitter.com/...107278174339073
IMHO, that's bullsh*t. Maybe there won't be the war Synthetics vs. Organics anymore, but there can still be wars. It's not like they're all friends now.
Sorry guys I can't access twitter - could someone be so kind and paste what he said?
Question was: "Picking Synthesis stops Synthetics from one day wiping out Organics? Is this correct? Yes or no shall suffice. Thanks!"
Gamble's Response: "Yes"
Well, of COURSE it stops organics and synthetics from fighting, there AREN'T any organics and synthetics anymore. Just genetical identical things.
Modifié par paxxton, 28 juin 2012 - 01:51 .
#33046
Posté 28 juin 2012 - 01:51
but how would it, my Shepard never actually saw Harbinger as Harbinger he only spoke to his puppet, so he had no way of discerning which Reaper was specifically Harbinger, it be like trying to spot a specific needle In a stack of needles and somehow knowing that's the one that pricked you.MaximizedAction wrote...
Salient Archer wrote...
Hmm, just noticed something interesting. My Sheaprd had never actually seen Harbinger before, his first sighting of him was the beam charge. What I mean to say is that my canon Shep did the Arrival mission before he destroyed the collector base in ME2, so rather than speaking to an image of Harbinger he spoke to Harby in Collector General form. So to be honest it feels rather strange that not only did this Reaper have a name that instilled fear in my Sheaprd but apparently Anderson knew what it looked like and what it was called despite having know way of knowing it.
Doesn't the codex have an entry on Harbinger? That means, that everyone knows what he looks like.
#33047
Posté 28 juin 2012 - 01:52
Dwailing wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
Holy crap! I just realized what the green eyes in Synthesis remind me of! Look here, and tell me that those eyes don't look pretty similar.
Since we're talking about Synthesis, anyone going to comment on this?
Assuming that Sheaprd is the only one seeing all of the wierd stuff around, those gren eyes might be in her head.
#33048
Posté 28 juin 2012 - 01:53
EpyonX3 wrote...
Synthesis won't end all wars. It will just stop synthetics from surpassing organics to the point where synthetics will wipe them out. It applies to organics as well. We can't look at it as Organic vs Synthetic anymore. We ned to come up with a word for that type of being.
War in Heaven?
Anyway, nice to see that EC made it more obvious that the thing is a manipulative, lying toad, full-blown attempt at "Assuming direct control" or not.
Modifié par Chashan, 28 juin 2012 - 01:54 .
#33049
Posté 28 juin 2012 - 01:53
#33050
Posté 28 juin 2012 - 01:54
Dwailing wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
Holy crap! I just realized what the green eyes in Synthesis remind me of! Look here, and tell me that those eyes don't look pretty similar.
Since we're talking about Synthesis, anyone going to comment on this?
Square root of 912.04 is 30.2.. it all seemed harmless.




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