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[Salient Archer]

paxxton wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Hmm, just noticed something interesting. My Sheaprd had never actually seen Harbinger before, his first sighting of him was the beam charge. What I mean to say is that my canon Shep did the Arrival mission before he destroyed the collector base in ME2, so rather than speaking to an image of Harbinger he spoke to Harby in Collector General form. So to be honest it feels rather strange that not only did this Reaper have a name that instilled fear in my Sheaprd but apparently Anderson knew what it looked like and what it was called despite having know way of knowing it.

Are you assuming that Shepard was silent for 6 months between ME2 and 3 and never talked about Harbinger with anyone?

not st all, what I'm saying is that my Shepard had no way of making a connection that that one specific Reaper happened to be harbinger. He never once had a chance to see his visual distinctions from the other Reapes let alone somehow describe Harbinger to everyone else, as he had no way or knowing that harbinger was any different as he spoke to a hologram of the Collector General in Arrival rather than harbingers true appearance.

[MaximizedAction]

Salient Archer wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

It's a bit hard for synthetics to wipe out organics considering synthesis removes the division and distinction, I'm guessing the guy never looked up the meaning of synthesis before asking. I understand why gamble gave it such a short answer considering it was such an ill thought out question to begin with.

I think the question is not trivial, if you only look at the exterior appearance. Of course then organics and synthetics look different, e.g. EDI and Joker.
The mindset is now approx. the same.

One wonders if the way they look will converge with time.

I'm not actually talking of progressive evolution of the situation, I'm just saying that as it stands organics don't truly exist after synthesis (even the flora had circuity) so its very hard for a synthetic to wipe out something that doesn't exist anymore, it would be like us trying to kill dodo birds.

Yes, peace does follow from that. Civil war is also not really an option, as everyone is uplifted to the absolute maximum, so noone should ever have anything to nag about.

From the science ficiton point of view, it's like filling the whole space with air, so that no one should ever have problems breathing anymore -- no matter the horrible sideproblems that it implies.

Everything so distant from the initial premise of ME1 -- just as my standpoint on the Reapers, would I decide to trust the Catalyst.

[paxxton]

Reposting the name I've come up for the organic-synthetic hybrid life (Synergic life).

paxxton wrote...

Also, Synergics will evolve as everything evolves.

Modifié par paxxton, 28 juin 2012 - 01:59 .

[Silhouett3]

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

We ned to come up with a word for that type of being.

Synergics

Synergic? A label created by the players to give voice to their destruction. In the end, what they chose to call us is irrelevant, we simply are.

[SubAstris]

Silhouett3 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Silhouett3 wrote...

What's the difference EC makes?  They may have changed their original intention or sticked with it, but regardless of the intention the endings and the narrative are now essentially the same - extended.

Well if they did change from intending IT originally to one that bolsters a face-value explanation and sidelines IT in the EC, then you have to ask why that is. Many ITers are very quick to say that "IT has massive support!", yet BW's actions show otherwise.

Sorry you aren't getting the point. IT could only born with the present narrative -symptoms of indoctrination , a manipulative Catalyst, Shep trusting a Reaper, two Reaper doctrine choices, violation of main themes etc etc- and it completely has been preserved in the EC. Which means both the reasons for IT to exists in the first place and the problems within the ending only IT could solve are still there.

Even if Bioware had not originally intended, they were aware of it during development of EC. Say you are right about EC, what is stopping Bioware from openly debunking IT right now?

I understand IT, I am asking you to consider also not just the story implications of IT

Nothing

[paxxton]

Silhouett3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

We ned to come up with a word for that type of being.

Synergics

Synergic? A label created by the players to give voice to their destruction. In the end, what they chose to call us is irrelevant, we simply are.

Synthesis isn't about destroying life but making it better.

[EpyonX3]

paxxton wrote...

Also, Synergics will evolve as everything evolves.

Only they'll evolve at the same pace as eveyone else. So there will be no race better than the other. It's like Genetic Communism!

[Dwailing]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

 Holy crap!  I just realized what the green eyes in Synthesis remind me of!  Look here, and tell me that those eyes don't look pretty similar. 

Since we're talking about Synthesis, anyone going to comment on this?

Assuming that Sheaprd is the only one seeing all of the wierd stuff around, those gren eyes might be in her head.

That's a possiblity, but when you consider that those are similar to the eyes of EVERYONE in Synthesis, it would kind of suggest, to me anyway, that maybe you're supposed to wonder if that's what Shepard is thinking of.  You know, if it's all in his/her head.

[smokingotter1]

SubAstris wrote...

Silhouett3 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Silhouett3 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Anyone still think that IT was BW's original intention for ME3?

Didn't "Final hours" covered this months ago? They intented to indoctrinate Shep and we didn't get to know if they dropped the idea or not.

I meant in light of the EC

What's the difference EC makes?  They may have changed their original intention or sticked with it, but regardless of the intention the endings and the narrative are now essentially the same - extended.

Well if they did change from intending IT originally to one that bolsters a face-value explanation and sidelines IT in the EC, then you have to ask why that is. Many ITers are very quick to say that "IT has massive support!", yet BW's actions show otherwise.

Yeah, IT has massive support in the hard core HTL community, but the HTL community is not representative of the ME buying group as a whole. Not unless HTL has millions of users registered. I lean towards IT, but a trap many people fall for is that the more time they spend inside their closed off community the more time they think the entire world agree's with their worldviews.

[paxxton]

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Also, Synergics will evolve as everything evolves.

Only they'll evolve at the same pace as eveyone else. So there will be no race better than the other. It's like Genetic Communism!

That's not true. Synergics will evolve at the pace they choose. It's thanks to life engineering. There is a similar possibility with genetic enhancements in RL but in the case of Synergics it's more like a Technological Singularity.

[Salient Archer]

@MaximizedAction: That's exactly my point. You can't destroy something that can't exist anymore; could war still be possible? That I personally feel is a gray are;. Can everything ever be truly uplifted without stagnating? Can purpose exist without agenda? Can progress be made without conflict?

[EpyonX3]

Dwailing wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

 Holy crap!  I just realized what the green eyes in Synthesis remind me of!  Look here, and tell me that those eyes don't look pretty similar. 

Since we're talking about Synthesis, anyone going to comment on this?

Assuming that Sheaprd is the only one seeing all of the wierd stuff around, those gren eyes might be in her head.

That's a possiblity, but when you consider that those are similar to the eyes of EVERYONE in Synthesis, it would kind of suggest, to me anyway, that maybe you're supposed to wonder if that's what Shepard is thinking of.  You know, if it's all in his/her head.

Not really the same because you see her omni tool glow just the same. That and her eyes could be synthetic and could just be reacting to thesituation. Still interesting thought because Project O was a form of synthesis.

[paxxton]

lex0r11 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

 Holy crap!  I just realized what the green eyes in Synthesis remind me of!  Look here, and tell me that those eyes don't look pretty similar. 

Since we're talking about Synthesis, anyone going to comment on this?

Square root of 912.04 is 30.2.. it all seemed harmless.

Could you believe that I won't watch that video because I don't want any spoilers. I still have to play Overlord.

[Silhouett3]

paxxton wrote...

Silhouett3 wrote...

Synergic? A label created by the players to give voice to their destruction. In the end, what they chose to call us is irrelevant, we simply are.

Synthesis isn't about destroying life but making it better.

Embrace Perfection. We are Harbinger of your Ascendance. Your species has the attention of those infinitely your greater. The pinnacle of evolution. We are the end of everything.

[Dwailing]

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Also, Synergics will evolve as everything evolves.

Only they'll evolve at the same pace as eveyone else. So there will be no race better than the other. It's like Genetic Communism!

Well, at least we agree on SOMETHING.  What can I say, Synthesis is, well, here's the link that summarizes how I feel about Synthesis (And Control, for that matter.): 
 

[Rifneno]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Also, one OTHER piece of evidence.

The definition of the word "Catalyst" whom, by definition is NOT a Catalyst.

If the literal ending was the intention the whole time, they could have chosen reagent, component, any number of synonyms without the implication that they DIRECTLY defy (the Crucible changed me)

And for that matter, why call it the "Crucible" at all?

Shepard: So what's the Crucible?
Starbinger: It's just a power source.
Shepard: But you said it changed you.
Starbinger: Oh, I was... uhh... low on power?
Shepard: Seems legit.

EpyonX3 wrote...

I'm just saying that people will hear what they want to hear from that based on what they want to prove.

For once, I agree with Epyon. Whether we intend to be unbiased or not, on a subconscious level we're not. Any of us. No matter if we believe in IT or literalism. Until we find a way to clarify the sound (if that's even possible), the best thing to do would be to take that audio clip, no video to go with it, and have someone that knows nothing about ME or IT listen. A completely unbiased and uninformed person. Don't tell them what you think it may be or the circumstance, just give them the audio clip and see what they think.

Arian Dynas wrote...

As for the starting point not having been changed... well that just makes it more clear that that was intentional.

Interesting considering it starts in the Viper nebula.

Where the Alpha Relay was. And it only strikes the Relays Shepard has visited before.

Agreed. This is one thing where EC helps us: we can point to clues that were left in place and say if they weren't intentional why did they leave them there? Speaking of which, they also did not fix the hull breach on Cronos Station. They did fix one on Mars though. Lends credence to the idea that Cronos might have been at least partly in Shepard's head.

[Dwailing]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

 Holy crap!  I just realized what the green eyes in Synthesis remind me of!  Look here, and tell me that those eyes don't look pretty similar. 

Since we're talking about Synthesis, anyone going to comment on this?

Assuming that Sheaprd is the only one seeing all of the wierd stuff around, those gren eyes might be in her head.

That's a possiblity, but when you consider that those are similar to the eyes of EVERYONE in Synthesis, it would kind of suggest, to me anyway, that maybe you're supposed to wonder if that's what Shepard is thinking of.  You know, if it's all in his/her head.

Not really the same because you see her omni tool glow just the same. That and her eyes could be synthetic and could just be reacting to thesituation. Still interesting thought because Project O was a form of synthesis.

Yeah, it was, wasn't it?   You know, I'm thinking the green eyes in Overlord might have been Shep's implants reacting to the signal (Or whatever you want to call it.).  In that case, they probably would have been visable to everyone, so it isn't as much of a surprise to me that they might have based the Synthesis eyes off of them to make you start to wonder.  Not going to say if it's indoctrination or not, just saying that it's probably there to make you think.

[EpyonX3]

Rifneno wrote...



Shepard: So what's the Crucible?
Starbinger: It's just a power source.
Shepard: But you said it changed you.
Starbinger: Oh, I was... uhh... low on power?
Shepard: Seems legit.

To be fair he says it's little more than a power source. It reaches i's potential when combined with the Citadel. It carries the energy and the options but it can't do it all on it's own.

[MegumiAzusa]

What you guys think?

[paxxton]

Silhouett3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Silhouett3 wrote...

Synergic? A label created by the players to give voice to their destruction. In the end, what they chose to call us is irrelevant, we simply are.

Synthesis isn't about destroying life but making it better.

Embrace Perfection. We are Harbinger of your Ascendance. Your species has the attention of those infinitely your greater. The pinnacle of evolution. We are the end of everything.

It's not the same. Harvesting organics liquifies them. Destroys them. In Synthesis it's more of symbiosis and mutual enhancement than subordination and subjugation.

Modifié par paxxton, 28 juin 2012 - 02:29 .

[Silhouett3]

SubAstris wrote...

I understand IT, I am asking you to consider also not just the story implications of IT

Nothing

But I am a fan. Of course my main focus is the fiction itself more than anything. No one can expect me to suddenly enjoy Morinth's -almost insulting- banshee cameo just because she was one of the less popular characters among fan-base. At least retconn a chacter in a proper way right.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

I just noticed that I'm currently working on a project- with Adobe Flash Catalyst.

FML.

[TSA_383]

MegumiAzusa wrote...


What you guys think?

The best ending.

Could Destroy be a trap?

[Dwailing]

TSA_383 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...


What you guys think?

The best ending.

Could Destroy be a trap?

I was starting to wonder that myself, actually.

[Silhouett3]

paxxton wrote...

Silhouett3 wrote...

Embrace Perfection. We are Harbinger of your Ascendance. Your species has the attention of those infinitely your greater. The pinnacle of evolution. We are the end of everything.

It's not the same. Harvesting organics liquifies them. Destroys them. In Synthesis it's more of symbiosis/mutual enhancement than subordination.

Harvesting doesn't destroy, what it destroys is the form. Not the main organic material, the DNA. Remember Mordin when he is talking about humans :

"..Ignore superficial appearance. Down to genetic code."

Processing and "saving" genetic material is what Reapers call Ascendance. Synthesis is not any different as it is all about a processed DNA. According to Reapers saving life is not about saving the "form" of organics but the material of organics. Organics are not aware of their material. Your mind is not aware of the cells in your body ( Legion's loyalty mission). We petty organics can only comprehend the form. Life is more than that. Supposedly Reapers can comprehend both. Therefore every Reaper you meet start and end the conversation with the "You don't understand me, you are a fool" line. Now how does EDI describe synthesis in the end?

Modifié par Silhouett3, 28 juin 2012 - 02:37 .