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Uhm some basic stuff can and is being stored in DNA.

But not thoughts. I heard that if you exercise, it changes your DNA.


Uh, exercise doesn't change your DNA. :?


Using the biopsied samples, researchers compared the activity in a series of muscle-related genes before and after exercise. More genes were turned on in the cells taken after the exercise and the participants’ DNA showed less methylation, a molecular process in which chemicals called methyl groups settle on the DNA and limit the cell’s ability to access, or switch on, certain genes. By controlling how much methylation goes on in certain cells at specific times, the body regulates which genes in the DNA are activated — that’s what differentiates the development of an an eye cell, for example, from that of a liver cell.

http://healthland.ti...hange-your-dna/ 


http://en.wikipedia....iki/Epigenetics


While true---"both of which serve to regulate gene expression without altering the underlying DNA sequence"---it still suggests a shift, in one form or another, that occurs as a result of concentrated physical activity.


I intended to reinforce your point, not weaken it. "Change your DNA" is not accurate, but "change how your DNA behaves" is. And on a phenotypical side, it's basically identical.

there is no change in the underlying DNA sequence of the organism;[1] instead, non-genetic factors cause the organism's genes to behave (or "express themselves") differently.[2]

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SPOILER ALERT! FUTURE DLC STUFF HERE.


These are the lines in the subtitles that are to be activated in the conversation with the catalyst after we've installed the Leviathan of Dis DLC:

The Leviathan's created you, didn't they?
Tell me what you know about the Leviathans.
But you turned on the Leviathans. You harvested them.
Who is OLD TONGUE NAME OF HARBINGER?
The first Reaper. In this cycle, amongst your kind, it is known as Harbinger


So, he's not the Prothean reaper after all...

Additional Leviathan DLC lines, not from the catalyst conversation:

We have located Ann Bryson's dig site.
We have located Garneau.
There is no sign of Ann Bryson in this system.
Garneau is not located in this system.
These coordinates match our trace of Leviathan.
No sign of Leviathan at these coordinates.

My sources told me the production numbers were wrong at that mining facility.
I assumed they were just smuggling red sand. I never took the time to look closer.
Too much intel, too many places for secrets to hide. I'm going to have to start sleeping less.
What is it with you and rescuing scientists from dig sites that have been overrun by hostile forces?
If you decide to help her take down the Shadow Broker, I'm going to be jealous. And somewhat concerned.
Not that I'm complaining, mind you.
I'm glad you made it back... and I'd appreciate it if you avoided talking to Leviathan any further.
I don't want any tentacled creature inside your mind... except me.
I can only imagine talking to something so huge, so... alien. I hope it helps against the Reapers.
That mining facility... everyone there under Leviathan's control. It reminded me of Feros.
That mining facility... all those people, indoctrinated, losing ten years. I can't even imagine what that's like.
How many other people out there are trapped like that? We need to find Leviathan.
I'm glad Ann Bryson got out safely. I just hope we find Leviathan before the Reapers do.
I thought I'd lost you down there.
Don't do that again, not even to forge an alliance with a damned Reaper-killer.
You're worth more than that.
So we have Leviathan. I hope it stays on our side.
Leviathan's mental restraints are odd. My AI shackles served similar purposes, but why add sensations of darkness or cold?
I have formulated a psych profile for Dr. Ann Bryson. She is not used to death, but she may be quite capable under stress.
So the Reapers did not fully exterminate their creators. That suggests they are fallible, even on large or long-term scales.
Watching you break the news to Ann about her dad... I gotta say, that was rough.
I heard you had to break the news to Ann about her dad. I'm sorry, Shepard.
It's so brutal what happened to him. I can't imagine what she's going through.
You took a huge risk down there. Almost died to figure this out.
I've been thinking about what we learned, Shepard. The thing is, I don't really care what the Reapers are or where they're from.
They're monsters that need to be put down. That's all I need to know.
I can't believe what I saw down there.
This Leviathan thing can just kick you out of your own head?
I don't know what's worse: killing people outright, or making them suffer like that.
Strange stuff back on that asteroid. We've seen indoctrination before, but ten years? Leviathan had its own private army.
You've got to wonder how much longer that would have lasted if we hadn't come along.
Just when I thought we were getting a handle on Reapers, this happens. Maybe Leviathan's more than a bull's-eye?
Shepard. I admit I was worried about you on that dig site. Things got pretty hectic. Not used to feeling like that, you know.
That's
what love does. Turns a guy like me into a nervous wreck with something
to lose and the aim to make sure he doesn't. Nobody better hurt you, is
all I'm saying.
I can handle the Reapers that run around, or the
ones that crawl, or the ones that... shuffle menacingly toward you. But
it's the flying ones that give me the creeps.
Shepard, I looked over your mission report. Gotta say, it feels like we've been after these Reapers forever...
From
Sovereign to Leviathan... they've been a pain in the ass the whole
time. But at least we're starting to see the big picture.
Never really thought we'd get any answers. It doesn't change much, but it does make this war feel a whole lot bigger.
I
saw many strange things in our war against the Reapers. An entire
settlement of Densorin were once studying things far beyond their
knowledge.
Celestial mechanics, morphological simulations of galactic
language... things even we didn't understand. At the time, I thought
they were crazy.
But now, after what occurred on that asteroid, I wonder.
If Leviathan is a defector--a Reaper that broke away from the others--then it is also a traitor.
And traitors are never to be trusted, even among the enemy.
If they can betray their own kind, imagine what they can do to you.
I have studied your human religions, Commander--your "Devil" and his fall. Leviathan and its kind deserve the same fate.
They once unleashed a plague that has haunted all of our history to this day.
I say their own hell is the abyss you found them in... one I hope they never escape from.
The mining colony was completely brainwashed, and the Reapers retreat the moment the artifact is destroyed?
I don't know what's going on, but I know I don't like it.
Promise me you'll be careful, okay?
If another Harvester keeps me from dropping you off in the target LZ, so help me...
Esteban, don't let those oversized roaches push you around.
Mr.
Vega, taking on a sky full of worm-necks in a troop transport is like
sending you against the Earth invasion armed with brass knuckles.
What? You don't think I could do it?
Can't say I was happy sending you down in that submersible by yourself.
Wish I could have been with you, but if we were together in that tight space... never mind.
Don't know why I ever worry about you. Take on ancient aliens from the deep? Sure, no problem.
That asteroid facility was messed up.
Ten years of your life, just gone. You're working out there, sending letters to your family back home...
Then you wake up, and your hair's gone, your kid's in college, and your six-pack has turned into a keg. Just messed up.
I don't know the scientific measurement of a ****-load, but that seemed like a ****-load of harvesters.
With the Leviathan on our side, maybe we pull this thing off after all.
Too bad Ann never got to see her dad's work pay off.
At least Ann's still around to see her dad's work finally pay off.
Maybe, James.
Have you ever seen anything like that, Shepard?
It feels good to help those people get their lives back. Ten years is a lot of lost time.
Let's make sure that we never let time just slip by us, okay?
So a Reaper goes rogue and kills one of its own. That's what we're looking at here, right?
Bryson really was onto something big. Amazing.
A lot of smart people in this galaxy. I'm a lucky guy to work with so many of 'em.
You scare the hell out of me with those risky stunts, Shepard, but I guess it's also part of what I love about you.
Nice to have everyone back on dry land, so to speak.
You
know, whenever we discover something amazing like that, I wonder what
else might be out there... or even right under our noses.



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Sareth Cousland wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Sareth Cousland wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Uhm some basic stuff can and is being stored in DNA.

But not thoughts. I heard that if you exercise, it changes your DNA.


Uh, exercise doesn't change your DNA. :?


Using the biopsied samples, researchers compared the activity in a series of muscle-related genes before and after exercise. More genes were turned on in the cells taken after the exercise and the participants’ DNA showed less methylation, a molecular process in which chemicals called methyl groups settle on the DNA and limit the cell’s ability to access, or switch on, certain genes. By controlling how much methylation goes on in certain cells at specific times, the body regulates which genes in the DNA are activated — that’s what differentiates the development of an an eye cell, for example, from that of a liver cell.

http://healthland.ti...hange-your-dna/ 


http://en.wikipedia....iki/Epigenetics


While true---"both of which serve to regulate gene expression without altering the underlying DNA sequence"---it still suggests a shift, in one form or another, that occurs as a result of concentrated physical activity.


I intended to reinforce your point, not weaken it. "Change your DNA" is not accurate, but "change how your DNA behaves" is. And on a phenotypical side, it's basically identical.

there is no change in the underlying DNA sequence of the organism;[1] instead, non-genetic factors cause the organism's genes to behave (or "express themselves") differently.[2]


But Synthesis doesn't just change the way DNA behaves, it creates a whole new FORM of DNA, if you believe the Star-Brat.

His exact words, if I remember correctly, are, "A new framework.  A new... DNA."

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Dwailing wrote...

But Synthesis doesn't just change the way DNA behaves, it creates a whole new FORM DNA, if you believe the Star-Brat.


Don't get me wrong: I agree with you there, and I take the same moral stance.  But the conversation isn't quite that black-and-white.

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Because the concept is still sound, and the clues and inconsistancies from a literal standpoint are still present.

The EC didn't change things drastical.  It replaced some plotholes with more (extremely telling and interesting) plot holes, and gave new insight into the lies of Starbinger and the falsehood of the 'perfect endings'.

Its rain on the crops.  Time will tell if the harvest is strong, or if it'll fail.


Except you (most IT theorist left) are dodging the most important part of what he just said. Refuse would be the most powerful and good ending to pick if IT was correct. You dont pick destroy on their term, you pick destroy on yours with refuse. So if IT is true, why is it the only ending where you lose and unlike destroy you dont have a good dream like the others? Yes you can use a bunch of imagination gymastic and invent another breathing scene for Refuse ending... but its not there in the game and for a reason. U

ntil now IT was forged with using ingame content evidence, the current refuse ending is evidence so strong against IT, it cannot be swept aside. What ever Bioware said about not wanting to debunk IT: anyone can read betwen the line here, they debunked IT (willing or not).

The only reason IT could be still real after the addition of refuse, is if they wrote it so bad that they forgot that refuse and destroy should lead to a simular outcome under IT. It does not, infact both are total opposite for shepard. But since one of the biggest ITout of game arguement is that bad writing cant be at cause, well IT cant be real if it was written correctly... refuse wouldnt exist with destroy. Poor written IT or Poor written literal ending, you be the judge. Id say poor writting anything is poor anyway, might as well just take it literally.

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Strange stuff back on that asteroid. We've seen indoctrination before, but ten years? Leviathan had its own private army.


I'm all sorts of excited to see where this DLC is going. Here's hoping it'll come relatively soon.

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TSA_383 wrote...

SPOILER ALERT! FUTURE DLC STUFF HERE.


Interesting stuff.  Not sure what to make of it all, there's a lot in there but it lacks context.

But having a rogue Reaper on side implies victory is possible.  Not a conventional one, but a real victory.

Also, if we go by the route that each DLC adds to the ending...  Refuse may get enhanced each time to become better and better.

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Smeffects wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Because the concept is still sound, and the clues and inconsistancies from a literal standpoint are still present.

The EC didn't change things drastical.  It replaced some plotholes with more (extremely telling and interesting) plot holes, and gave new insight into the lies of Starbinger and the falsehood of the 'perfect endings'.

Its rain on the crops.  Time will tell if the harvest is strong, or if it'll fail.


Except you (most IT theorist left) are dodging the most important part of what he just said. Refuse would be the most powerful and good ending to pick if IT was correct. You dont pick destroy on their term, you pick destroy on yours with refuse. So if IT is true, why is it the only ending where you lose and unlike destroy you dont have a good dream like the others? Yes you can use a bunch of imagination gymastic and invent another breathing scene for Refuse ending... but its not there in the game and for a reason. U

ntil now IT was forged with using ingame content evidence, the current refuse ending is evidence so strong against IT, it cannot be swept aside. What ever Bioware said about not wanting to debunk IT: anyone can read betwen the line here, they debunked IT (willing or not).

The only reason IT could be still real after the addition of refuse, is if they wrote it so bad that they forgot that refuse and destroy should lead to a simular outcome under IT. It does not, infact both are total opposite for shepard. But since one of the biggest ITout of game arguement is that bad writing cant be at cause, well IT cant be real if it was written correctly... refuse wouldnt exist with destroy. Poor written IT or Poor written literal ending, you be the judge. Id say poor writting anything is poor anyway, might as well just take it literally.


But BW said they weren't going to confirm or deny IT in the EC.  If they had showed Shepard waking up after Rejection, that would have been a dead give away.

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"Jartar is noted for the discovery of the "Leviathan of Dis," the apparent corpse of a genetically engineered living starship. The Leviathan was found in the bottom of a crater by a batarian survey team, and estimated to be nearly a billion years old. It "disappeared" after a visit to the system by a batarian dreadnought twenty years ago.
Since then, the batarians have steadfastly denied that the Leviathan existed at all – and all the more vociferously when shown recordings of the corpse made by salarian researchers."

"...the Hegemony sent teams of scientists to study the
Leviathan of Dis. The Leviathan turned out to be an inactive Reaper and the entire batarian science team was subsequently indoctrinated."

Given the above statements (taken from the codex, planet description and game play) along with the information regarding the "Leviathan DLC" that was included in the EC, I think it is safe to assume that this is fairly significant item to explore/discuss.

First. given this statement from the Catalyst in the EC:

http://www.youtube.c...inEJIejw0w#t=0s

We know that the Catalyst was created as an AI designed to resolve conflict b/w organics and synthetics.  And with this statement:

http://www.youtube.c...nEJIejw0w#t=67s

We know that the Catalyst created the first Reaper from its creators.  Several interesting things here:

1.  The catalyst forced this "evolution" on its creators.
2.  The first example of the "created rebelling against its creators".
3.  The Reapers are created in the "image" of the Catalyst's creators.

The next few points are things that we might be able to assume but not necessarily confirm (given the information that we currently have):

1.  This forced evolution, could be the first example of "Control" - notice that this would suggest that the concept is synthetic in origin.  Make what assumptions of that you will.
2.  The first Reaper (being the first after all) may not have the same level of technological advancement as the majority of Reapers that we see in game (to this point).

And now we get into wild speculation.  I remember from the old forums that the Leviathan of Dis was a hot topic.  Many of us believed that it could be a Reaper (some theorized that it could be Sovereign - a theory that at this point I think can be officially be put to bed).  But the opposition argued that this statement from the planet description, "
...corpse of a genetically engineered living starship...", suggested that it was too "organic" to be a Reaper and therefore likely to be an easter egg.  But given the new information (being discussed here), we know that the Leviathan was in fact a Reaper.  It begs the question, why create a description that causes confusion?  Perhaps, we were supposed to question whether or not it was a Reaper...perhaps, knowing for certain that it was a Reaper would give too much away?

Given the above statements (specifically point 2 of the assumptions), I propose this new theory.  The Leviathan of Dis is the first Reaper created by the Catalyst from its creators.  And considering what we know from the information that is included in the EC about the Leviathan (being a "rogue" Reaper for those that have not seen the information), I think that this fits quite well.  The bigger question then becomes just how dis-satisfied with its creation (the Catalyst) is the Leviathan (after all it did fail in its initial task - given the "necessity" to create the Reapers; and then it forced this "solution via evolution" on them)?  And what implications this has on the ending?

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MaximizedAction wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...


What you guys think?


The best ending.

Could Destroy be a trap?

LOL. You essentially decide to make more people suffer even more horrors of war. I only can hope IT is true but in this case also Destroy has to be good because Reject wasn't in the original ending. Unless the original ending wasn't about IT and the EC introduced Reject to accomodate for IT.


From the shortness of the epilogue, SO BE IT seems like an easter egg ending. But the implications of what the outcome is depicted to be....are interesting (besides Shepard again looking at the camera at the end of her speech):

Let's assume you decide not to trust the Catalyst (trusting him makes this ending trivial). Then, IMO, this ending offers the least stretch to believe that the ending is fake. The reason is:
the whole game long you fight against the Reapers but with the absolute goal of building the Crucible. The Catalyst even emphasizes, that we put all our resources into building it, thus being too weak for conventional victory (also what we are told from the start, even before we started building it). But since we don't trust him in this example, he could be lying about the impossibility of conventional victory.
Shepard's resolve seems very strong in this ending. She chooses free will. The ending however implies indirectly, that free will is futile. Which is outrageous for an artist to imply, hence that can't be really Bioware's idea of the ending for the war.
No matter how science-fiction-y, it has to stay within the bounds of human morality rules.

Hence, it comes down to:
if you trust the Catalyst, this is the ending; if you don't trust him, then there's something up. And this time, it's easier to spot. Or, that's my opinion.

EDIT: Or, as some posted above, Epic Shepard speach has bad outcome. Fits within the Reaper's logic, which also manifests in Renegade=blue/Paragon=red.

I would never call Reject an Easter Egg, sorry. It might be that shooting the Starchild is eastereggish. But then you have to have a way to reject the choice after you finish talking with him.

I wrote earlier that with future SP DLC Reject might gain some credibility. New War Assets and allies might give organics an advantage over the Reapers and ultimately the war could be won this way (Liara's hologram would say something else than that the war was lost).

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Andromidius wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

SPOILER ALERT! FUTURE DLC STUFF HERE.


Interesting stuff.  Not sure what to make of it all, there's a lot in there but it lacks context.

But having a rogue Reaper on side implies victory is possible.  Not a conventional one, but a real victory.

Also, if we go by the route that each DLC adds to the ending...  Refuse may get enhanced each time to become better and better.


Yeah, that's what I've been thinking.  And if that's the way this will go, then we'll FINALLY have our non-thematicallly revolting ending, 'cause we'll be doing what we thought we would do from the beginning, smashing the Reapers with a united galaxy.

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dreamgazer wrote...

Strange stuff back on that asteroid. We've seen indoctrination before, but ten years? Leviathan had its own private army.


I'm all sorts of excited to see where this DLC is going. Here's hoping it'll come relatively soon.


It's probably headed down a path where we dont get the answer to IT (if we do at all) until they are done releasing SP DLC....

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Except you (most IT theorist left) are dodging the most important part of what he just said. 


The IT thread has served two purposes all along: discussing the theory on a grand scale, and discussing the interpretation of devices in the game as potential symptoms of indoctrination.

The second half is why I've consistently popped my head in here from the beginning. It's not unreasonable for this thread to still exist and for people to still participate in it, since it'll still service the second half of its purpose whether the "theory" came true or not.

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Andromidius wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

SPOILER ALERT! FUTURE DLC STUFF HERE.


Interesting stuff.  Not sure what to make of it all, there's a lot in there but it lacks context.

But having a rogue Reaper on side implies victory is possible.  Not a conventional one, but a real victory.

Also, if we go by the route that each DLC adds to the ending...  Refuse may get enhanced each time to become better and better.

Plausible, but it'll probably just end up being nothing more than a war asset after the DLC is complete. Either way, hope we get it sooner rather than later.

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Sareth Cousland wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Sareth Cousland wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Uhm some basic stuff can and is being stored in DNA.

But not thoughts. I heard that if you exercise, it changes your DNA.


Uh, exercise doesn't change your DNA. :?


Using the biopsied samples, researchers compared the activity in a series of muscle-related genes before and after exercise. More genes were turned on in the cells taken after the exercise and the participants’ DNA showed less methylation, a molecular process in which chemicals called methyl groups settle on the DNA and limit the cell’s ability to access, or switch on, certain genes. By controlling how much methylation goes on in certain cells at specific times, the body regulates which genes in the DNA are activated — that’s what differentiates the development of an an eye cell, for example, from that of a liver cell.

http://healthland.ti...hange-your-dna/ 


http://en.wikipedia....iki/Epigenetics


While true---"both of which serve to regulate gene expression without altering the underlying DNA sequence"---it still suggests a shift, in one form or another, that occurs as a result of concentrated physical activity.


I intended to reinforce your point, not weaken it. "Change your DNA" is not accurate, but "change how your DNA behaves" is. And on a phenotypical side, it's basically identical.

there is no change in the underlying DNA sequence of the organism;[1] instead, non-genetic factors cause the organism's genes to behave (or "express themselves") differently.[2]

I think humans basically have the whole DNA of all their ancestors, just the expressiveness of different genes differs. We even have plant DNA fragments. Posted Image But I'm not a biologist so I could be wrong. Posted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 28 juin 2012 - 03:49 .


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HellishFiend wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Strange stuff back on that asteroid. We've seen indoctrination before, but ten years? Leviathan had its own private army.


I'm all sorts of excited to see where this DLC is going. Here's hoping it'll come relatively soon.


It's probably headed down a path where we dont get the answer to IT (if we do at all) until they are done releasing SP DLC....


Eh, who cares? If it adds to the interpretation of what's going on in the game, I'm jazzed.

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Except you (most IT theorist left) are dodging the most important part of what he just said.


I'm not dodging anything.  I'm outright admitting that in current light its baffling.

What literalists are dodging is that IT was not disproven.  Its like someone's in denial about something, which also confuses me since IT does nothing to harm your viewpoints.  Yet repeatedly they lie to try and get people to move away from the community here, almost as if jealous that they can't be part of something special.

Not to mention if we're going to be talking about dodging important things, there's a huge list of things literalists are avoiding at every turn.  Like why would there be a breath scene at all if indoctrination wasn't a part of the ending or if we're supposed to take each ending at face value? 

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dreamgazer wrote...

Smeffects wrote...

Except you (most IT theorist left) are dodging the most important part of what he just said. 


The IT thread has served two purposes all along: discussing the theory on a grand scale, and discussing the interpretation of devices in the game as potential symptoms of indoctrination.

The second half is why I've consistently popped my head in here from the beginning. It's not unreasonable for this thread to still exist and for people to still participate in it, since it'll still service the second half of its purpose whether the "theory" came true or not.


Frankly if the mere existence of this thread offends anybody, that is their problem, and most likely a weakness of character. Even if IT were completely disproven somehow, this would still be a legitimate topic in this subforum. 

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Andromidius wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

SPOILER ALERT! FUTURE DLC STUFF HERE.


Interesting stuff.  Not sure what to make of it all, there's a lot in there but it lacks context.

But having a rogue Reaper on side implies victory is possible.  Not a conventional one, but a real victory.

Also, if we go by the route that each DLC adds to the ending...  Refuse may get enhanced each time to become better and better.

And we have a year's worth of dlc ahead.

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FemShep can be really scary in the Reject ending. There's genuine hatred in her voice.

http://www.youtube.c...rKsdygmSU#t=23s

Modifié par paxxton, 28 juin 2012 - 04:05 .


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paxxton wrote...

I would never call Reject an Easter Egg, sorry. It might be that shooting the Starchild is eastereggish. But then you have to have a way to reject the choice after you finish talking with him.

I wrote earlier that with future SP DLC Reject might gain some credibility. New War Assets and allies might give organics an advantage over the Reapers and ultimately the war could be won this way (Liara's hologram would say something else than that the war was lost).


I agree of course. But I hope that it won't be just a different Liara VI monolog. In fact, a victory should have no Liara VI at all. I hope, that SP DLC will eventually make this (and probably Destroy, too) the 'real' ending.

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dreamgazer wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Strange stuff back on that asteroid. We've seen indoctrination before, but ten years? Leviathan had its own private army.


I'm all sorts of excited to see where this DLC is going. Here's hoping it'll come relatively soon.


It's probably headed down a path where we dont get the answer to IT (if we do at all) until they are done releasing SP DLC....


Eh, who cares? If it adds to the interpretation of what's going on in the game, I'm jazzed.


I didnt say I had a problem with it, just that it's probably where it's going. Once I got over my initial disappointment over the EC not being the big reveal, I realized I hadnt really lost out on anything because IT is still alive and we can keep speculating. :happy:

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Is is kind of greedy of me that I want a longer epilogue? Because honestly I didn't get much closure on my friends' fates, other then Jacob seems to be a school teacher, Samara likes sitting on benches and Miranda likes standing around a table with other people.

Even Fallout New Vegas had a more detailed epilogue, and that wasn't a character driven story.

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Andromidius wrote...

Is is kind of greedy of me that I want a longer epilogue? Because honestly I didn't get much closure on my friends' fates, other then Jacob seems to be a school teacher, Samara likes sitting on benches and Miranda likes standing around a table with other people.

Even Fallout New Vegas had a more detailed epilogue, and that wasn't a character driven story.


Well, if all goes wel, this won't be the real ending anymore, will it? ;)

I don't want to sound like that spoiled kid who STILL isn't happy with what he got with the EC -- it's great really, and a big thanks to BW for making it --, but there's no real reason to trust the Catalyst.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 28 juin 2012 - 04:02 .


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Andromidius wrote...

Is is kind of greedy of me that I want a longer epilogue? Because honestly I didn't get much closure on my friends' fates, other then Jacob seems to be a school teacher, Samara likes sitting on benches and Miranda likes standing around a table with other people.

Even Fallout New Vegas had a more detailed epilogue, and that wasn't a character driven story.


Not greedy at all. The monologue + epilogue slides is pretty weak for 3 months of dev time and 1.9 gigs of data. The only thing keeping me from being vastly disappointed is the belief that not all is said and done.