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[MegumiAzusa]

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

DJBare wrote...
I've always found that image to be curious, we mostly assume it to be a holographic projection, but where is the source of the projection.
An interesting thought, what if Harbinger is already inside Shepards mind.

And why, from ME2's Horizon on, you hear every "Assuming direct control". I never had the feeling that the Collectors could talk or even had the same voice as Harbinger.

Also remember if Arrival is done before the suicide mission the projection looks like this:

instead of:

Also note the serious intensity of the black corners here.

The black corners are always there, although I will admit that they might be more intense here.  Also, this is an interesting progression of the discussion.  If we're assuming that the greatest amount of indoctrination came from the 2+ days of exposure to Object Rho (No matter what people say his completion of the Project is cannon, it's only those weird people who never played ME2 with Arrival who think it isn't cannon), it would make sense that he would be very vulnerable to Harbinger here.

I know they are always there, but the intensity they got here is just weird. And if we follow that trail we could argue that the corners are a sign of indoctrination as it makes it a bit unreal.

[Rosewind]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Why is the relay so much closer in the bottom picture?

You never played arrival did you?

[ZerebusPrime]

The dark corners have been used since ME1. Wide shots or camera tracking shots tend to have them the most (like the footage of the Mako being dropped onto a planet... Which really should have killed everyone inside every time, ouch!).

[OneWithTheAssassins]

Dwailing wrote...
The black corners are always there, although I will admit that they might be more intense here.  Also, this is an interesting progression of the discussion.  If we're assuming that the greatest amount of indoctrination came from the 2+ days of exposure to Object Rho (No matter what people say his completion of the Project is cannon, it's only those weird people who never played ME2 with Arrival who think it isn't cannon), it would make sense that he would be very vulnerable to Harbinger here.

See, thats why I don't understand some people. Arrival was clearly cannon and people who are so against the idea of IT go so far as to claim that its NOT cannon just becuse its dlc and that it contains an event that supports IT. If Arrival wasn't cannon, then why was Shepard on Earth, being held by the Aliance for war crimes? Was it just some joke and they just wanted to invite Shepard over for six months of cake and ice cream? Come on... thats just desparate.

[MegumiAzusa]

Yay for random YT videos:

is it just me or is the edge shadow intensity increased after waking up compared to just entering the room with the artifact?

[OneWithTheAssassins]

Rosewind wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Why is the relay so much closer in the bottom picture?

You never played arrival did you?

I did, it was almost a year or so since the last time I picked up ME2.

[MaximizedAction]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Yay for random YT videos:

is it just me or is the edge shadow intensity increased after waking up compared to just entering the room with the artifact?

Damn...need to replay Arrival again. But if really so then this is great!

[RavenEyry]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Dwailing wrote...
The black corners are always there, although I will admit that they might be more intense here.  Also, this is an interesting progression of the discussion.  If we're assuming that the greatest amount of indoctrination came from the 2+ days of exposure to Object Rho (No matter what people say his completion of the Project is cannon, it's only those weird people who never played ME2 with Arrival who think it isn't cannon), it would make sense that he would be very vulnerable to Harbinger here.

See, thats why I don't understand some people. Arrival was clearly cannon and people who are so against the idea of IT go so far as to claim that its NOT cannon just becuse its dlc and that it contains an event that supports IT. If Arrival wasn't cannon, then why was Shepard on Earth, being held by the Aliance for war crimes? Was it just some joke and they just wanted to invite Shepard over for six months of cake and ice cream? Come on... thats just desparate.

I think it was the whole 'working with cereberus' thing, but all DLC is canon, I'm sure that's been outright stated a couple of times.

[MegumiAzusa]

RavenEyry wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Dwailing wrote...
The black corners are always there, although I will admit that they might be more intense here.  Also, this is an interesting progression of the discussion.  If we're assuming that the greatest amount of indoctrination came from the 2+ days of exposure to Object Rho (No matter what people say his completion of the Project is cannon, it's only those weird people who never played ME2 with Arrival who think it isn't cannon), it would make sense that he would be very vulnerable to Harbinger here.

See, thats why I don't understand some people. Arrival was clearly cannon and people who are so against the idea of IT go so far as to claim that its NOT cannon just becuse its dlc and that it contains an event that supports IT. If Arrival wasn't cannon, then why was Shepard on Earth, being held by the Aliance for war crimes? Was it just some joke and they just wanted to invite Shepard over for six months of cake and ice cream? Come on... thats just desparate.

I think it was the whole 'working with cereberus' thing, but all DLC is canon, I'm sure that's been outright stated a couple of times.

Also arrival was advertised as a bridge between ME2 and 3, and "to understand what is happening in ME3".

[OneWithTheAssassins]

RavenEyry wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Dwailing wrote...
The black corners are always there, although I will admit that they might be more intense here.  Also, this is an interesting progression of the discussion.  If we're assuming that the greatest amount of indoctrination came from the 2+ days of exposure to Object Rho (No matter what people say his completion of the Project is cannon, it's only those weird people who never played ME2 with Arrival who think it isn't cannon), it would make sense that he would be very vulnerable to Harbinger here.

See, thats why I don't understand some people. Arrival was clearly cannon and people who are so against the idea of IT go so far as to claim that its NOT cannon just becuse its dlc and that it contains an event that supports IT. If Arrival wasn't cannon, then why was Shepard on Earth, being held by the Aliance for war crimes? Was it just some joke and they just wanted to invite Shepard over for six months of cake and ice cream? Come on... thats just desparate.

I think it was the whole 'working with cereberus' thing, but all DLC is canon, I'm sure that's been outright stated a couple of times.

It was.

[Shepard Wins]

The trouble with accounting Arrival DLC to IT is that you don't have to complete it. Don't you just loose a war asset (an SF team or sth) if you didn't do Arrival, because they had to do it instead and got killed?

[Dwailing]

RavenEyry wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Dwailing wrote...
The black corners are always there, although I will admit that they might be more intense here.  Also, this is an interesting progression of the discussion.  If we're assuming that the greatest amount of indoctrination came from the 2+ days of exposure to Object Rho (No matter what people say his completion of the Project is cannon, it's only those weird people who never played ME2 with Arrival who think it isn't cannon), it would make sense that he would be very vulnerable to Harbinger here.

See, thats why I don't understand some people. Arrival was clearly cannon and people who are so against the idea of IT go so far as to claim that its NOT cannon just becuse its dlc and that it contains an event that supports IT. If Arrival wasn't cannon, then why was Shepard on Earth, being held by the Aliance for war crimes? Was it just some joke and they just wanted to invite Shepard over for six months of cake and ice cream? Come on... thats just desparate.

I think it was the whole 'working with cereberus' thing, but all DLC is canon, I'm sure that's been outright stated a couple of times.

I should clarify things quickly.  According to the Mass Effect: Conviction mini-comic, Shepard is the one who destroyed the relay.  However, if you just play ME3 without importing a save, the 103rd Marine Division is the group that completed the Project.  I think that's why people keep saying that Shepard destorying the relay isn't canon.  However, we have an external source that confirms its canonicity.  That's why I say that the people who say that are the ones who didn't play ME2 with Arrival.  Also, I believe that qualifies them as new to the ME universe, which means that they are painfully unversed in the workings of the ME universe.

Modifié par Dwailing, 20 mai 2012 - 03:15 .

[Shepard Wins]

Dwailing wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Dwailing wrote...
The black corners are always there, although I will admit that they might be more intense here.  Also, this is an interesting progression of the discussion.  If we're assuming that the greatest amount of indoctrination came from the 2+ days of exposure to Object Rho (No matter what people say his completion of the Project is cannon, it's only those weird people who never played ME2 with Arrival who think it isn't cannon), it would make sense that he would be very vulnerable to Harbinger here.

See, thats why I don't understand some people. Arrival was clearly cannon and people who are so against the idea of IT go so far as to claim that its NOT cannon just becuse its dlc and that it contains an event that supports IT. If Arrival wasn't cannon, then why was Shepard on Earth, being held by the Aliance for war crimes? Was it just some joke and they just wanted to invite Shepard over for six months of cake and ice cream? Come on... thats just desparate.

I think it was the whole 'working with cereberus' thing, but all DLC is canon, I'm sure that's been outright stated a couple of times.

I should clarify things quickly.  According to the Mass Effect: Conviction mini-comic, Shepard is the one who destroyed the relay.  However, if you just play ME3 without importing a save, the 103rd Marine Division is the group that completed the Project.  I think that's why people keep saying that Shepard destorying the relay isn't canon.  However, we have an external source that confirms its canonicity.  That's why I say that the people who say that are the ones who didn't play ME2 with Arrival.  Also, I believe that qualifies them as new to the ME universe, which means that they are painfully unversed in the workings of the ME universe.

Conviction states the Project was completed by Shepard? OMG that's a HUGE boost for IT!

[Dwailing]

Shepard Wins wrote...

The trouble with accounting Arrival DLC to IT is that you don't have to complete it. Don't you just loose a war asset (an SF team or sth) if you didn't do Arrival, because they had to do it instead and got killed?

It is true that you don't HAVE to complete Arrival, but like I said, Shepard destroying the relay is CANON.  In the ME universe, it definitely happened.  It's only in very specific circumstances that he DIDN'T destroy it.

[Dwailing]

 Here's the link to a YouTube video of ME: Conviction.  That should put any doubts as to whether or not Shepard being the one to destroy the relay is canon to rest. 

Modifié par Dwailing, 20 mai 2012 - 03:20 .

[RavenEyry]

Dwailing wrote...

Shepard Wins wrote...

The trouble with accounting Arrival DLC to IT is that you don't have to complete it. Don't you just loose a war asset (an SF team or sth) if you didn't do Arrival, because they had to do it instead and got killed?

It is true that you don't HAVE to complete Arrival, but like I said, Shepard destroying the relay is CANON.  In the ME universe, it definitely happened.  It's only in very specific circumstances that he DIDN'T destroy it.

Even though they included that team doing it instead, I doubt they'd rewrite their whole ending upon realising not everyone had played the DLC.

[MaximizedAction]

So here I am, looking for official info on the Arrival DLC, so I go on the ME2 website and the Arrival trailer pops up on the front page.
I marked a particularly interesting sight:



Go ahead, enlarge it, and tell me if the circled area reminds you of a particular thing that we have been guessing about, what it was...

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 20 mai 2012 - 03:26 .

[paxxton]

Dwailing wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Dwailing wrote...
The black corners are always there, although I will admit that they might be more intense here.  Also, this is an interesting progression of the discussion.  If we're assuming that the greatest amount of indoctrination came from the 2+ days of exposure to Object Rho (No matter what people say his completion of the Project is cannon, it's only those weird people who never played ME2 with Arrival who think it isn't cannon), it would make sense that he would be very vulnerable to Harbinger here.

See, thats why I don't understand some people. Arrival was clearly cannon and people who are so against the idea of IT go so far as to claim that its NOT cannon just becuse its dlc and that it contains an event that supports IT. If Arrival wasn't cannon, then why was Shepard on Earth, being held by the Aliance for war crimes? Was it just some joke and they just wanted to invite Shepard over for six months of cake and ice cream? Come on... thats just desparate.

I think it was the whole 'working with cereberus' thing, but all DLC is canon, I'm sure that's been outright stated a couple of times.

I should clarify things quickly.  According to the Mass Effect: Conviction mini-comic, Shepard is the one who destroyed the relay.  However, if you just play ME3 without importing a save, the 103rd Marine Division is the group that completed the Project.  I think that's why people keep saying that Shepard destorying the relay isn't canon.  However, we have an external source that confirms its canonicity.  That's why I say that the people who say that are the ones who didn't play ME2 with Arrival.  Also, I believe that qualifies them as new to the ME universe, which means that they are painfully unversed in the workings of the ME universe.

Arrival is canon because it was made by BioWare which surprisingly is the creators of Mass Effect. Even if someone claims that individual choices cannot be considered canononical because you can play in many different ways, Shepard always gets electrified by Object Rho and destroyes the Alpha Relay. Unless you wait for 2h but then nothing after that matters .

Modifié par paxxton, 20 mai 2012 - 03:28 .

[RavenEyry]

MaximizedAction wrote...
-snip-
Go ahead, enlarge it, and tell me if the circled area reminds you of a particular thing that we have been guessing about, what it was...

The rubble? Lends credence to the idea that some of the rubble is from the conduit.

[MegumiAzusa]

RavenEyry wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...
-snip-
Go ahead, enlarge it, and tell me if the circled area reminds you of a particular thing that we have been guessing about, what it was...

The rubble? Lends credence to the idea that some of the rubble is from the conduit.

Or Shep never left the asteroid.

[Shepard Wins]

Damn you people! Now I can't help but actually hope for the Extended Cut!

[UrgentArchengel]

Anyone who didn't buy or play Arrival is either too stuck up to buy "DLC" or much too "greedy" to spend the money for it. They said it was important for ME3. That alone should warrant the purchase. The fact Bioware made it technically not important is a load of bull and should patch that out. Enough ranting, I have always said Arrival is the only real proof of IT that you can't dismiss either way.

Modifié par UrgentArchengel, 21 mai 2012 - 12:17 .

[DJBare]

Dwailing wrote...

 Here's the link to a YouTube video of ME: Conviction.  That should put any doubts as to whether or not Shepard being the one to destroy the relay is canon to rest. 

I should enjoy that comic, instead it annoys me because it reminds me that's how Shepard gets to know Vega, a whole goddamn scenario removed from ME3, eg the arrest and court hearing.

[paxxton]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...
-snip-
Go ahead, enlarge it, and tell me if the circled area reminds you of a particular thing that we have been guessing about, what it was...

The rubble? Lends credence to the idea that some of the rubble is from the conduit.

Or Shep never left the asteroid.

It could be defended but I doubt BioWare intended it.

[RavenEyry]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Anyone who didn't buy or play Arrival is either too stuck up to buy "DLC" or too much of a Jew to spend the money for it. They said it was important for ME3. That alone should warrant the purchase. The fact Bioware made it technically not important is a load of bull and should patch that out. Enough ranting, I have always said Arrival is the only real proof of IT that you can't dismiss either way.

It is strange that some people are invested enough in the franchise to argue about it on forums, but not invested enough to buy a fairly cheap and plot important DLC.