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[llbountyhunter]

Grubas wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Grubas wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Grubas wrote...

Orph wrote...

Synthesis.

The synthetic remains synthetic.

The organic becomes synthetic.

Uhm... That's suspicious... ¬¬

source or it didnt happen.

The reapers are already an combination, only organics and other synthetics were changed. 

to become a combination of both.

 Actually pathe catalyst says the sythetiwill understand organics ,but reamain synthetics. its even more suspicious that only the reapers remain  unchanged.  Its a win for them, and only for them.

I altered my post. Reapers offer just the hull for harvested organics. The catalyst explained that synthesis failed in past cycles. Therefoe they are not truly synthesised beings.

But the proto reaper in me2 was clearly synthesized! Edi herself said it was emitting both organic and non organic signals...... 

[byne]

paxxton wrote...

The most obvious things are always the easiest to miss. "So be IT."

Paxxton. 'It' is actually a word. I dont know if you're aware of that. Unless IT is randomly all caps in subtitles (which it isnt), you're just grasping at straws and look really stupid. Even if you're just joking.

[llbountyhunter]

www.computerandvideogames.com/309188/mass-effect-3-bioware-on-surprises-inspiration-and-tough-decisions/

[MaximizedAction]

dreamgazer wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

Hey... wait, what about this whole saving organics stuff?

She would know too, she was partially made with reaper tech/code.

Brought this back up to also help the Non-ITer's about what EDI said.

Hm, interesting. So either the Catalyst is lying or EDI is lying.

To be fair, it could be argued that the Reapers doing the cycle's bidding could be considered "self-preservation", since it appears to be their sole function.

Yes, but the Catalyst being a Reaper makes that a bit of a problem, as the Catalyst is never devoted to self-preservation. He's even ready to give up his seat to Shepard in order to preserve the cycle. So he's merely a slave of it.

[RealStyli]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

The most obvious things are always the easiest to miss. "So be IT."

Paxxton. 'It' is actually a word. I dont know if you're aware of that. Unless IT is randomly all caps in subtitles (which it isnt), you're just grasping at straws and look really stupid. Even if you're just joking.

I thought it was a clever joke but just a joke. Unless the writers were trolling us. I mean, that ending in itself is enough of a "f**k you" to us. A playful "f**k you" but one nonetheless. "Oh, you don't like our endings? Fine.... here... see what happens if you don't choose one".

[BansheeOwnage]

Dwailing wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...


What you guys think?

The best ending.

Could Destroy be a trap?

I was starting to wonder that myself, actually.

This was a few pages ago. It does seem odd. Did anyone else notice Shepard was looking directly at the player when she was speaking?

[Orph]

When I saw the DNA chain with those cubes and the organics with the green lights I thought "ok, husks 2.0". Those cubes looks like nanites...

[paxxton]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

The most obvious things are always the easiest to miss. "So be IT."

Paxxton. 'It' is actually a word. I dont know if you're aware of that. Unless IT is randomly all caps in subtitles (which it isnt), you're just grasping at straws and look really stupid. Even if you're just joking.

No, it's playing with words by BioWare. I know that "it" is a word in English but so it happens that it's also an abbreviation for Indoctrination Theory.
BioWare added the Rejection option in the EC because they see the potential in IT but to not give it away completely they camouflaged it in the Catalyst's short answer. Adding the bassy voice further distracts the player from the actual meaning because you concentrate on the sudden change in his voice rather than on discovering what it might mean that he says.

[masster blaster]

This is the Breathing scene, and now I want you to watch closely.

You can tell from one of the Concrete that that's an Alliance/Earth human symbolism.

Also if you look very closely you can see a Mako right behind the metal structure.

Then lastly we see Shepard not Vega, because it was conferred a long time ago that Vega was not in the Breath scene.

But it looks to Shepard is surrounded by Concrete like we all have said, but is isn't it weird that in the Low EMS of Destroy an Alliance Soldier so happens to pull a Helmet out of a hep of rubble.

Granted that is not Shepard's helmet but it's weird that in high EMS in Destroy we see Shepard in a hep of Rubble and i ask this because why  isn't Shepard on the Citadel in Space since the Citadel did not fall to Earth.

Modifié par masster blaster, 28 juin 2012 - 06:25 .

[TSA_383]

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

LOL. Do you see!? The Catalyst says "So be IT" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe it's a message from BioWare, a hint !!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are considering IT.

How?

By playing with words. Plus, the Rejection option was clearly added based on fan feedback. Proof: shooting the Catalyst was viral on BSN in March.

As was using the reapers to rebuild the relays from Control fans:huh:
Also the baby krogan etc...

Dwailing wrote...

Also, I just re-watched the Breath scene from the EC on YouTube, and the Mako is still there.

Well yeah, it's the same file

llbountyhunter wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...
Prove it. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

Lair of the Shadow Broker took less time and has more content.

Next.

 I know right? The EC cutscene are probably 300mb at the most ... Im dumbfounded on where exactly those 1.7gigs are....

They are 1.3GB out of 2.3GB (extracted)

Are there perhaps scene not found in EC? Because that seems lIke alot.

I've downloaded entire movies with a good resolition at .5 gigs 

Not in bik format you've not [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]


Also, what do you make of this?
https://twitter.com/...402917286281216

I refuse to believe that was an accident in the ending... I mean, really?

[DJBare]

Salient Archer wrote...

Has anyone been able to clearly work out what Harbinger says here: http://youtu.be/BeGZOSK1OFw?t=1m55s
To me it sounds like "serve us" but as we aren't offered any subtitles to clarify it I'd be interested to hear it isolated without the background noise. So if anyone has the means to unpack the EC and hunt down those audio files let me know because I'm damn curious as to what Harby-pants actually says.

I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm pretty sure he is saying "help us"; cannot make out the first word but if I took a wild guess I'd say "Shepard"; so the sentence ends up "Shepard, help us!"
I'll admit bias in what I'm hearing because of the things the AI said, like turning it's creators into reapers against their will.

PS, note I call it an AI now, it's actually become difficult for me to consider this "thing" having a name.

[Smeffects]

MaximizedAction wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

Hey... wait, what about this whole saving organics stuff?

She would know too, she was partially made with reaper tech/code.

Brought this back up to also help the Non-ITer's about what EDI said.

Hm, interesting. So either the Catalyst is lying or EDI is lying.

To be fair, it could be argued that the Reapers doing the cycle's bidding could be considered "self-preservation", since it appears to be their sole function.

Yes, but the Catalyst being a Reaper makes that a bit of a problem, as the Catalyst is never devoted to self-preservation. He's even ready to give up his seat to Shepard in order to preserve the cycle. So he's merely a slave of it.

Or the logical answer, she doesent lie, she simply doesent know reaper motivation exactly. For everyone until the catalyst, reapers are simply harvesting living to make their owns(self preservation). Just because she was made with reaper tech, does not mean she knows what reaper think. Hell you could argue the reaper only know that they must harvest to transform life into themself to save them from "chaos". But either way you go on the assumption that EDI knows everything... if she did, why did she let shepard get indoctrinated and get the catalyst? I mean she shoulda know it was a reaper trap or is it?

[MaximizedAction]

llbountyhunter wrote...

www.computerandvideogames.com/309188/mass-effect-3-bioware-on-surprises-inspiration-and-tough-decisions/

At first I thought I was reading a 2012 article...hopes deleted.

You have to sacrifice thousands of people in order to slam that door shut on the Reapers. So Shepard's kind of stuck trying to explain all this stuff. But as you're doing that the Reapers actually arrive and take the Earth.

That's something we reveal over time. You see humans being harvested and processed to become fuel for the way Reapers reproduce. This is their reproductive cycle and we're just a part of it. We're nothing to them.

Nothing of that actually happened. He's talking about a different script. Man...

[paxxton]

DJBare wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Has anyone been able to clearly work out what Harbinger says here: http://youtu.be/BeGZOSK1OFw?t=1m55s
To me it sounds like "serve us" but as we aren't offered any subtitles to clarify it I'd be interested to hear it isolated without the background noise. So if anyone has the means to unpack the EC and hunt down those audio files let me know because I'm damn curious as to what Harby-pants actually says.

I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm pretty sure he is saying "help us"; cannot make out the first word but if I took a wild guess I'd say "Shepard"; so the sentence ends up "Shepard, help us!"
I'll admit bias in what I'm hearing because of the things the AI said, like turning it's creators into reapers against their will.

PS, note I call it an AI now, it's actually become difficult for me to consider this "thing" having a name.

LOL. It's clearly "Save Us." Definately not "Help Us." No "Shepard" there, maybe "Shep".

Modifié par paxxton, 28 juin 2012 - 06:31 .

[Arian Dynas]

Paxxton, no offense but that's the stupidest thing I've heard in a long time.

Are you getting enough sleep?

[Grubas]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Grubas wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Grubas wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Grubas wrote...

Orph wrote...

Synthesis.

The synthetic remains synthetic.

The organic becomes synthetic.

Uhm... That's suspicious... ¬¬

source or it didnt happen.

The reapers are already an combination, only organics and other synthetics were changed. 

to become a combination of both.

 Actually pathe catalyst says the sythetiwill understand organics ,but reamain synthetics. its even more suspicious that only the reapers remain  unchanged.  Its a win for them, and only for them.

I altered my post. Reapers offer just the hull for harvested organics. The catalyst explained that synthesis failed in past cycles. Therefoe they are not truly synthesised beings.

But the proto reaper in me2 was clearly synthesized! Edi herself said it was emitting both organic and non organic signals...... 

intresting. Obviously not the same kind of synthesis. Maybe reapers used organics to improve themself in the same way, organics use synthetic upgrades. and they serve a hull of the harvested cycles.

Modifié par Grubas, 28 juin 2012 - 06:30 .

[BP20125810]

llbountyhunter wrote...

BP20125810 wrote...

Orph wrote...

BP20125810 wrote...

Orph wrote...

Synthesis.

The synthetic remains synthetic.

The organic becomes synthetic.

Uhm... That's suspicious... ¬¬

It's more so the combinning of the two.  This is shown by the reapers and geth and EDI changing with the same green glow as everyone else.  My personal fave ending.

BTW, I think I've heard that RENEGADE CONTROL ending is pretty evil.

No, it isn't. Starchild says the synthetic will understand the organic but remain 
synthetic. The organic will "evolve" and become 
synthetic...

The reapers are clearly changed though.  Hence the green lights.  Plus, synthetics not understanding organics was the main reason for the "soultion" because it lead to syntheitcs wipping out organics.  

Also, "understand" can be interpreted in different ways.  In the bible, knowing someone meant that you took them to funky town.  So understand could still mean that synthetics were given organic properties.

Plus, synthesis is the only ending that allows the romancing of a reapers.  Who hasn't wanted to try that.  Although they could be "compensatiting" for something with all that mass genocide.

And that's why synthesis makes no sense,.....

Yeah, but while you'll be laying in that rubble of yours after your nightmare, I'll be flying around in space with my reaper girlfriend playing xbox with my mind.

Back on topic though, the point I was making was that EC slides and cutscenes were oriented to let people know more about each of the choices.  

[HellishFiend]

paxxton wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Has anyone been able to clearly work out what Harbinger says here: http://youtu.be/BeGZOSK1OFw?t=1m55s
To me it sounds like "serve us" but as we aren't offered any subtitles to clarify it I'd be interested to hear it isolated without the background noise. So if anyone has the means to unpack the EC and hunt down those audio files let me know because I'm damn curious as to what Harby-pants actually says.

I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm pretty sure he is saying "help us"; cannot make out the first word but if I took a wild guess I'd say "Shepard"; so the sentence ends up "Shepard, help us!"
I'll admit bias in what I'm hearing because of the things the AI said, like turning it's creators into reapers against their will.

PS, note I call it an AI now, it's actually become difficult for me to consider this "thing" having a name.

LOL. It's clearly "Save Us." Definately not "Help Us."

You can certainly think it's "Save Us", but you cant attach "clearly" to it. 

[byne]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Paxxton, no offense but that's the stupidest thing I've heard in a long time.

Are you getting enough sleep?

Oh good, I'm glad its not just me thinking that, Arian.

[masster blaster]

DJBare wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Has anyone been able to clearly work out what Harbinger says here: http://youtu.be/BeGZOSK1OFw?t=1m55s
To me it sounds like "serve us" but as we aren't offered any subtitles to clarify it I'd be interested to hear it isolated without the background noise. So if anyone has the means to unpack the EC and hunt down those audio files let me know because I'm damn curious as to what Harby-pants actually says.

I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm pretty sure he is saying "help us"; cannot make out the first word but if I took a wild guess I'd say "Shepard"; so the sentence ends up "Shepard, help us!"
I'll admit bias in what I'm hearing because of the things the AI said, like turning it's creators into reapers against their will.

PS, note I call it an AI now, it's actually become difficult for me to consider this "thing" having a name.

I don't think Harby is Saying save us but more like "Serve us or Perseve us" I don't know but their is an "R" in what harby said and it's not "Shepard, help us. or save us or join us."

Modifié par masster blaster, 28 juin 2012 - 06:31 .

[BansheeOwnage]

MaximizedAction wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

www.computerandvideogames.com/309188/mass-effect-3-bioware-on-surprises-inspiration-and-tough-decisions/

At first I thought I was reading a 2012 article...hopes deleted.

You have to sacrifice thousands of people in order to slam that door shut on the Reapers. So Shepard's kind of stuck trying to explain all this stuff. But as you're doing that the Reapers actually arrive and take the Earth.

That's something we reveal over time. You see humans being harvested and processed to become fuel for the way Reapers reproduce. This is their reproductive cycle and we're just a part of it. We're nothing to them.

Nothing of that actually happened. He's talking about a different script. Man...

Yeah I know. It kinda confirms (not that we need it) that Arrival is canon.

[MrT493]

Hi, I’m new to the forum but I’ve been following this thread for a while now. I believe in the IT and I think its case has strengthened after EC...

Some people were questioning how the “Reject” option fits into IT a few pages back but I think it fits perfectly well in IT.

Imo, the “Destroy” option is still the choice Shepard has to make to break free of the indoctrination attempt but the “Reject” option is a failure along with “Control” and “Synthesis”. By rejecting all of the choices, Shepard is basically rejecting the chance to destroy the reapers (to break free of indoctrination attempt) and avoids being fully controlled (choosing control or synthesis option where the reapers would then have successfully indoctrinated him). Since Shepard is now neither fully indoctrinated nor broken free of indoctrination, the Reapers have no use for him (since they want him fully indoctrinated and under their control- Harbinger talks about this all through ME2). Hence, the starchild/reaper/harbinger gets angry and says “SO BE IT” since this was not the outcome they wanted. Therefore, its likely Shepard is killed/left to die and so apparently, the Reapers “win” in this cycle and you know the rest..

I know people mentioned that Shepard doesn’t “give up” when choosing reject and I completely agree. However, if this is all an indoctrination attempt, then reject is like accepting that you are being indoctrinated but not having the strength to break free from indoctrination (ie destroy the reapers) due to the fact you cannot accept the sacrifices that apparently need to be made (EDI and Geth will die) to destroy the reapers (ie break free from indoctrination). Its almost as if you don’t have the strength or will power to do the right thing and so you fail to break free.

Someone earlier mentioned something similar along the lines of “Shepard basically ****s out”... It’s maybe not as crude as that but you get the point.

Hope that makes sense lol

What do you guys and girls think?

[MaximizedAction]

DJBare wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Has anyone been able to clearly work out what Harbinger says here: http://youtu.be/BeGZOSK1OFw?t=1m55s
To me it sounds like "serve us" but as we aren't offered any subtitles to clarify it I'd be interested to hear it isolated without the background noise. So if anyone has the means to unpack the EC and hunt down those audio files let me know because I'm damn curious as to what Harby-pants actually says.

I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm pretty sure he is saying "help us"; cannot make out the first word but if I took a wild guess I'd say "Shepard"; so the sentence ends up "Shepard, help us!"
I'll admit bias in what I'm hearing because of the things the AI said, like turning it's creators into reapers against their will.

PS, note I call it an AI now, it's actually become difficult for me to consider this "thing" having a name.

"serve us" vs "save us"....
One can clearly make out the difference, huh. <_<

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

llbountyhunter wrote...

www.computerandvideogames.com/309188/mass-effect-3-bioware-on-surprises-inspiration-and-tough-decisions/

"You see humans being harvested and processed to become fuel for the way
Reapers reproduce. This is their reproductive cycle and we're just a
part of it. We're nothing to them."

Yeah, that is really what we saw in the ending <_<

[byne]

DJBare wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Has anyone been able to clearly work out what Harbinger says here: http://youtu.be/BeGZOSK1OFw?t=1m55s
To me it sounds like "serve us" but as we aren't offered any subtitles to clarify it I'd be interested to hear it isolated without the background noise. So if anyone has the means to unpack the EC and hunt down those audio files let me know because I'm damn curious as to what Harby-pants actually says.

I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm pretty sure he is saying "help us"; cannot make out the first word but if I took a wild guess I'd say "Shepard"; so the sentence ends up "Shepard, help us!"
I'll admit bias in what I'm hearing because of the things the AI said, like turning it's creators into reapers against their will.

PS, note I call it an AI now, it's actually become difficult for me to consider this "thing" having a name.

If Harby really is saying help us, thats interesting. It'd be yet another thing that suspiciously resembles a past event.