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[BP20125810]

masster blaster wrote...



This is the Breathing scene, and now I want you to watch closely.

You can tell from one of the Concrete that that's an Alliance/Earth human symbolism.

Also if you look very closely you can see a Mako right behind the metal structure.

Then lastly we see Shepard not Vega, because it was conferred a long time ago that Vega was not in the Breath scene.

But it looks to Shepard is surrounded by Concrete like we all have said, but is isn't it weird that in the Low EMS of Destroy an Alliance Soldier so happens to pull a Helmet out of a hep of rubble.

Granted that is not Shepard's helmet but it's weird that in high EMS in Destroy we see Shepard in a hep of Rubble and i ask this because why  isn't Shepard on the Citadel in Space since the Citadel did not fall to Earth.

The citadel is clearly damaged badly after destroy, but the damage is abled to be repaired, so I believe that the higher EMS means the crucible was in better shape, which means the blast is more controlled.  A more controlled blast allows shepard to ride a piece of the rubble back to earth.  It may sound a bit far fetched, but this is the guy who was revived after dieing. 

[masster blaster]

masster blaster wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Has anyone been able to clearly work out what Harbinger says here: http://youtu.be/BeGZOSK1OFw?t=1m55s
To me it sounds like "serve us" but as we aren't offered any subtitles to clarify it I'd be interested to hear it isolated without the background noise. So if anyone has the means to unpack the EC and hunt down those audio files let me know because I'm damn curious as to what Harby-pants actually says.

I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm pretty sure he is saying "help us"; cannot make out the first word but if I took a wild guess I'd say "Shepard"; so the sentence ends up "Shepard, help us!"
I'll admit bias in what I'm hearing because of the things the AI said, like turning it's creators into reapers against their will.

PS, note I call it an AI now, it's actually become difficult for me to consider this "thing" having a name.

I don't think Harby is Saying save us but more like "Serve us or Perseve us" I don't know but their is an "R" in what harby said and it's not "Shepard, help us. or save us or join us."

I take back what I said about Preserve us, But I put the Spearkers to the Max and I HEARD "SERVE US"
Also I tried it with My headphones and I got the same thing.

[DJBare]

paxxton wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Has anyone been able to clearly work out what Harbinger says here: http://youtu.be/BeGZOSK1OFw?t=1m55s
To me it sounds like "serve us" but as we aren't offered any subtitles to clarify it I'd be interested to hear it isolated without the background noise. So if anyone has the means to unpack the EC and hunt down those audio files let me know because I'm damn curious as to what Harby-pants actually says.

I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm pretty sure he is saying "help us"; cannot make out the first word but if I took a wild guess I'd say "Shepard"; so the sentence ends up "Shepard, help us!"
I'll admit bias in what I'm hearing because of the things the AI said, like turning it's creators into reapers against their will.

PS, note I call it an AI now, it's actually become difficult for me to consider this "thing" having a name.

LOL. It's clearly "Save Us." Definately not "Help Us."

Actually that's basically the same thing, save us, help us, it's a plea, but we need someone with vocal analysis experience and software to check it out, there is a piece of software that attempts to translate unintelligible speech but I cannot remember what it is.

[paxxton]

byne wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Paxxton, no offense but that's the stupidest thing I've heard in a long time.

Are you getting enough sleep?

Oh good, I'm glad its not just me thinking that, Arian.

*sigh* Seriously, it's BioWare winking to the IT community.

[SubAstris]

masster blaster wrote...



This is the Breathing scene, and now I want you to watch closely.

You can tell from one of the Concrete that that's an Alliance/Earth human symbolism.

Also if you look very closely you can see a Mako right behind the metal structure.

Then lastly we see Shepard not Vega, because it was conferred a long time ago that Vega was not in the Breath scene.

But it looks to Shepard is surrounded by Concrete like we all have said, but is isn't it weird that in the Low EMS of Destroy an Alliance Soldier so happens to pull a Helmet out of a hep of rubble.

Granted that is not Shepard's helmet but it's weird that in high EMS in Destroy we see Shepard in a hep of Rubble and i ask this because why  isn't Shepard on the Citadel in Space since the Citadel did not fall to Earth.

You can hardly claim it's a Mako, that's just clutching at straws...

[BP20125810]

SubAstris wrote...

masster blaster wrote...



This is the Breathing scene, and now I want you to watch closely.

You can tell from one of the Concrete that that's an Alliance/Earth human symbolism.

Also if you look very closely you can see a Mako right behind the metal structure.

Then lastly we see Shepard not Vega, because it was conferred a long time ago that Vega was not in the Breath scene.

But it looks to Shepard is surrounded by Concrete like we all have said, but is isn't it weird that in the Low EMS of Destroy an Alliance Soldier so happens to pull a Helmet out of a hep of rubble.

Granted that is not Shepard's helmet but it's weird that in high EMS in Destroy we see Shepard in a hep of Rubble and i ask this because why  isn't Shepard on the Citadel in Space since the Citadel did not fall to Earth.

You can hardly claim it's a Mako, that's just clutching at straws...

People have pointed out before that may parts of the citadel look similar to the mako, so it could just be some citadel piece.

[byne]

BP20125810 wrote...

The citadel is clearly damaged badly after destroy, but the damage is abled to be repaired, so I believe that the higher EMS means the crucible was in better shape, which means the blast is more controlled.  A more controlled blast allows shepard to ride a piece of the rubble back to earth.  It may sound a bit far fetched, but this is the guy who was revived after dieing. 

Right. And she died due to what? Oh right! Reentry to a planet's atmosphere! And at that time she was wearing fully intact armor and not injured in anyway.

'Riding' a piece of rubble doesnt even make sense. It'd still be falling super fast when it hit the ground. Its not like space metal falls at the same rate of speed as an empty plastic bag.

[Turbo_J]

masster blaster wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

Hey... wait, what about this whole saving organics stuff?

She would know too, she was partially made with reaper tech/code.

Brought this back up to also help the Non-ITer's about what EDI said.

I also wanted to point out a litteral flaw with EDI in Sythesis. For all intents and purposes, she is the ship, not the body. The body is something she controls, from the ship via comm or tight beam communicaitons. The body may be alive, but it is not EDI. Now, is the normandy/EDI alive? It is now flesh and Tech combined into a new DNA framework?

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

BP20125810 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...



This is the Breathing scene, and now I want you to watch closely.

You can tell from one of the Concrete that that's an Alliance/Earth human symbolism.

Also if you look very closely you can see a Mako right behind the metal structure.

Then lastly we see Shepard not Vega, because it was conferred a long time ago that Vega was not in the Breath scene.

But it looks to Shepard is surrounded by Concrete like we all have said, but is isn't it weird that in the Low EMS of Destroy an Alliance Soldier so happens to pull a Helmet out of a hep of rubble.

Granted that is not Shepard's helmet but it's weird that in high EMS in Destroy we see Shepard in a hep of Rubble and i ask this because why  isn't Shepard on the Citadel in Space since the Citadel did not fall to Earth.

The citadel is clearly damaged badly after destroy, but the damage is abled to be repaired, so I believe that the higher EMS means the crucible was in better shape, which means the blast is more controlled.  A more controlled blast allows shepard to ride a piece of the rubble back to earth.  It may sound a bit far fetched, but this is the guy who was revived after dieing. 

Except he is doing it without helmet or a suit or a functional suit of armor. At the start of ME2 he had helmet and armor and still died.

I will just rethread what Shepard has to survive.

Really if the rubble is beeing propelled it was inside the blast radius, which Shepard is anyway since he is near ground zero. The explosion itself is so massive it would vaporize Shepard if there is even that much left.

Then he would have to survive the trip from Citadel to Earth without helmet. He would be dead in 30 seconds from breathing vacuum.

Then comes entry and impact.

After all that (not even mentioning his body would not make it past the explosion part) he is not gonna be breathing in the rubble. He would be deader than dead.

[robdunnhill]

< anyone seen the LOW EMS destroy ending? on 34 mins they find Shepard's Helmet on earth (loves clutching at "straws")

[masster blaster]

BP20125810 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...



This is the Breathing scene, and now I want you to watch closely.

You can tell from one of the Concrete that that's an Alliance/Earth human symbolism.

Also if you look very closely you can see a Mako right behind the metal structure.

Then lastly we see Shepard not Vega, because it was conferred a long time ago that Vega was not in the Breath scene.

But it looks to Shepard is surrounded by Concrete like we all have said, but is isn't it weird that in the Low EMS of Destroy an Alliance Soldier so happens to pull a Helmet out of a hep of rubble.

Granted that is not Shepard's helmet but it's weird that in high EMS in Destroy we see Shepard in a hep of Rubble and i ask this because why  isn't Shepard on the Citadel in Space since the Citadel did not fall to Earth.

The citadel is clearly damaged badly after destroy, but the damage is abled to be repaired, so I believe that the higher EMS means the crucible was in better shape, which means the blast is more controlled.  A more controlled blast allows shepard to ride a piece of the rubble back to earth.  It may sound a bit far fetched, but this is the guy who was revived after dieing. 

Ya TWO YEARS and He was inrentry when it happened too/Oxygen loss, and Remember Tempreture also in rentrey would have cooked Shepard for good espacailly if it's metal. Also seriusly a peace of rubble back to Earth I think Shepard would have been in floting in Space then fallinf to Earth because gravity would have pulled Shepard down if Shepard was floting in Space.

[clennon8]

masster blaster wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Has anyone been able to clearly work out what Harbinger says here: http://youtu.be/BeGZOSK1OFw?t=1m55s
To me it sounds like "serve us" but as we aren't offered any subtitles to clarify it I'd be interested to hear it isolated without the background noise. So if anyone has the means to unpack the EC and hunt down those audio files let me know because I'm damn curious as to what Harby-pants actually says.

I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm pretty sure he is saying "help us"; cannot make out the first word but if I took a wild guess I'd say "Shepard"; so the sentence ends up "Shepard, help us!"
I'll admit bias in what I'm hearing because of the things the AI said, like turning it's creators into reapers against their will.

PS, note I call it an AI now, it's actually become difficult for me to consider this "thing" having a name.

I don't think Harby is Saying save us but more like "Serve us or Perseve us" I don't know but their is an "R" in what harby said and it's not "Shepard, help us. or save us or join us."

I take back what I said about Preserve us, But I put the Spearkers to the Max and I HEARD "SERVE US"
Also I tried it with My headphones and I got the same thing.

After listening to it a zillion times, I'm 99% sure he's saying SERVE US.  It definitely isn't "help us" or "join us."  "Save us" is very close, but I'm hearing an R in there.

It's SERVE US.

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Has anyone been able to clearly work out what Harbinger says here: http://youtu.be/BeGZOSK1OFw?t=1m55s
To me it sounds like "serve us" but as we aren't offered any subtitles to clarify it I'd be interested to hear it isolated without the background noise. So if anyone has the means to unpack the EC and hunt down those audio files let me know because I'm damn curious as to what Harby-pants actually says.

I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm pretty sure he is saying "help us"; cannot make out the first word but if I took a wild guess I'd say "Shepard"; so the sentence ends up "Shepard, help us!"
I'll admit bias in what I'm hearing because of the things the AI said, like turning it's creators into reapers against their will.

PS, note I call it an AI now, it's actually become difficult for me to consider this "thing" having a name.

If Harby really is saying help us, thats interesting. It'd be yet another thing that suspiciously resembles a past event.

I've been noticing that a lot lately. Like how everyone in synthesis have eyes from the Overlord DLC. Citadel parts from the Shadow Broker DLC. Major hints from Arrival DLC. I'm noticing a trend. I wonder what we'll find in the Leviathan DLC?

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Turbo_J wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

Hey... wait, what about this whole saving organics stuff?

She would know too, she was partially made with reaper tech/code.

Brought this back up to also help the Non-ITer's about what EDI said.

I also wanted to point out a litteral flaw with EDI in Sythesis. For all intents and purposes, she is the ship, not the body. The body is something she controls, from the ship via comm or tight beam communicaitons. The body may be alive, but it is not EDI. Now, is the normandy/EDI alive? It is now flesh and Tech combined into a new DNA framework?

There is even a discussion among the Engineers as to if EDI is the Ship or not.

[paxxton]

LOL. Do you see!? The Catalyst says "So be it." !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe it's a message from BioWare, a hint !!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are considering IT and wink to the IT community by playing with words. Plus, the Rejection option was clearly added based on fan feedback. Proof: shooting the Catalyst was viral on BSN in March.

BioWare added the Rejection option in the EC because they see the potential in IT but to not give it away completely they camouflaged it in the Catalyst's short answer. Adding the bassy voice further distracts the player from the actual meaning because you concentrate on the sudden change in his voice rather than on discovering what it might mean that he says.

The most obvious things are always the easiest to miss. "So be IT."

[EpyonX3]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

The most obvious things are always the easiest to miss. "So be IT."

Paxxton. 'It' is actually a word. I dont know if you're aware of that. Unless IT is randomly all caps in subtitles (which it isnt), you're just grasping at straws and look really stupid. Even if you're just joking.

Ah Ah....Emergency Induction Ports...

[MaximizedAction]

robdunnhill wrote...

< anyone seen the LOW EMS destroy ending? on 34 mins they find Shepard's Helmet on earth (loves clutching at "straws")

His helmet doesn't have the Alliance symbol on it.

[FFZero]

Okay I had a friend who works with audio try and get rid of as much of the distortion as possible from the bit where harbinger speaks/growls in the EC and it definitely sounds like ‘serve us’. She's still working on it, once I have something clearer I'll post a link to it.

[masster blaster]

masster blaster wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

 @ Byne


Here's some stuff:

How does anyone live through this without armor and a helmet?

  

 

Also, the white light "dream transition effect is very telling that the ending could be a combination of a dream and being somehow mentally linked to some reaper somehow.


Dreams
http://desmond.image...jpg&res=landing

  
Shepard in Geth consensus



The ending

  

Also, look at Shepards eyes when he chooses either control or synthesize

 


Reposting for justice 

i know that this is very old but if it's the same Breath scene in the EC then look at the Mako in the not EC.

Well actualy Sub it could be but ya I don't know..

[EpyonX3]

MaximizedAction wrote...

robdunnhill wrote...

< anyone seen the LOW EMS destroy ending? on 34 mins they find Shepard's Helmet on earth (loves clutching at "straws")

His helmet doesn't have the Alliance symbol on it.

I don't know why people insist on this. We've sen that helmet worn by allaiance soldiers all over the game.

[DJBare]

robdunnhill wrote...

< anyone seen the LOW EMS destroy ending? on 34 mins they find Shepard's Helmet on earth (loves clutching at "straws")

What confuses me is I got the breath scene with only 3810 EMS, never got that before the EC, always had to do 4000 or above, now it's lower?

[munnellyladt]

paxxton wrote...

LOL. Do you see!? The Catalyst says "So be it." !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe it's a message from BioWare, a hint !!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are considering IT and wink to the IT community by playing with words. Plus, the Rejection option was clearly added based on fan feedback. Proof: shooting the Catalyst was viral on BSN in March.

BioWare added the Rejection option in the EC because they see the potential in IT but to not give it away completely they camouflaged it in the Catalyst's short answer. Adding the bassy voice further distracts the player from the actual meaning because you concentrate on the sudden change in his voice rather than on discovering what it might mean that he says.

The most obvious things are always the easiest to miss. "So be IT."

Your saying if somebody says "it" that is winking at the IT community.
"So be it" is just his reaction to shepard not picking anything.

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

BP20125810 wrote...

The citadel is clearly damaged badly after destroy, but the damage is abled to be repaired, so I believe that the higher EMS means the crucible was in better shape, which means the blast is more controlled.  A more controlled blast allows shepard to ride a piece of the rubble back to earth.  It may sound a bit far fetched, but this is the guy who was revived after dieing. 

Right. And she died due to what? Oh right! Reentry to a planet's atmosphere! And at that time she was wearing fully intact armor and not injured in anyway.

'Riding' a piece of rubble doesnt even make sense. It'd still be falling super fast when it hit the ground. Its not like space metal falls at the same rate of speed as an empty plastic bag.

Sorry Byne, the bag would fall at the same rate. Part of the reason Shepard didn't die (kind of) before is because that planet's atmosphere is thin (little friction) and it had low gravity (Shepard would fall slower and friction would be reduced even more).

[Turbo_J]

SubAstris wrote...

masster blaster wrote...



This is the Breathing scene, and now I want you to watch closely.

You can tell from one of the Concrete that that's an Alliance/Earth human symbolism.

Also if you look very closely you can see a Mako right behind the metal structure.

Then lastly we see Shepard not Vega, because it was conferred a long time ago that Vega was not in the Breath scene.

But it looks to Shepard is surrounded by Concrete like we all have said, but is isn't it weird that in the Low EMS of Destroy an Alliance Soldier so happens to pull a Helmet out of a hep of rubble.

Granted that is not Shepard's helmet but it's weird that in high EMS in Destroy we see Shepard in a hep of Rubble and i ask this because why  isn't Shepard on the Citadel in Space since the Citadel did not fall to Earth.

You can hardly claim it's a Mako, that's just clutching at straws...

Agreed. It's not possible to identify anything in the breath scene, really. You can infer concrete, cables, rebar, and some kind of shelf or building in the background; but even that is inconclusive due to depth perception issues.

I analyzed that scene a lot when I was looking for the clock/structure that appears in the distance behind the rubble. Where Shep(?) is in that scene will remain a mystery unless and until it's revealed.

[byne]

EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

The most obvious things are always the easiest to miss. "So be IT."

Paxxton. 'It' is actually a word. I dont know if you're aware of that. Unless IT is randomly all caps in subtitles (which it isnt), you're just grasping at straws and look really stupid. Even if you're just joking.

Ah Ah....Emergency Induction Ports...

I read that in the Count's voice from Sesame Street. Ah ah ah