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MaximizedAction wrote...
MilitanT07 wrote...
I posted this several times but nobody seems to care.
Shepard eyes become brown when you enter the citidal after the beam regardless of what it was before.
Oh, sorry, didn't notice your posts, but...REALLY? If so, then BW did put in more than just a few new hints.
Modifié par OneWithTheAssassins, 28 juin 2012 - 08:53 .
OneWithTheAssassins wrote...
I've watched this aboooout... five times now? This is exacaly what I got and I can't get over how good of an ending it is despite the plot holes beforehand and the lack of IT.
Best ending hands down.
UrgedDuke wrote...
Yvonne Strahovski was in that one sobe commercial
Modifié par Silhouett3, 28 juin 2012 - 09:00 .
paxxton wrote...
Reposting for the win!paxxton wrote...
Deal with it.Plus, why would he suddenly change his voice? He gets angry because Shepard rejected the attempted indoctrination.paxxton wrote...
LOL. Do you see!? The Catalyst says "So be it." !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe it's a message from BioWare, a hint !!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are considering IT and wink to the IT community by playing with words. Plus, the Rejection option was clearly added based on fan feedback. Proof: shooting the Catalyst was viral on BSN in March.
BioWare added the Rejection option in the EC because they see the potential in IT but to not give it away completely they camouflaged it in the Catalyst's short answer. Adding the bassy voice further distracts the player from the actual meaning because you concentrate on the sudden change in his voice rather than on discovering what it might mean that he says.
The most obvious things are always the easiest to miss. "So be IT."
TSA_383 wrote...
SO
Got an interesting message, someone pointing out that harbinger has extra lines in the low-ems destroy ending:
~2:05, sounds like "they can't help you" to me on first listen, and I swear he has a different line right before the blast too, it's got to be "join us"...
It's curious... That and shep's reaction to the squadmates getting vaporised.
D.Sharrah wrote...
"Jartar is noted for the discovery of the "Leviathan of Dis," the apparent corpse of a genetically engineered living starship. The Leviathan was found in the bottom of a crater by a batarian survey team, and estimated to be nearly a billion years old. It "disappeared" after a visit to the system by a batarian dreadnought twenty years ago.
Since then, the batarians have steadfastly denied that the Leviathan existed at all – and all the more vociferously when shown recordings of the corpse made by salarian researchers."
"...the Hegemony sent teams of scientists to study the Leviathan of Dis. The Leviathan turned out to be an inactive Reaper and the entire batarian science team was subsequently indoctrinated."
Given the above statements (taken from the codex, planet description and game play) along with the information regarding the "Leviathan DLC" that was included in the EC, I think it is safe to assume that this is fairly significant item to explore/discuss.
First. given this statement from the Catalyst in the EC:
http://www.youtube.c...inEJIejw0w#t=0s
We know that the Catalyst was created as an AI designed to resolve conflict b/w organics and synthetics. And with this statement:
http://www.youtube.c...nEJIejw0w#t=67s
We know that the Catalyst created the first Reaper from its creators. Several interesting things here:
1. The catalyst forced this "evolution" on its creators.
2. The first example of the "created rebelling against its creators".
3. The Reapers are created in the "image" of the Catalyst's creators.
The next few points are things that we might be able to assume but not necessarily confirm (given the information that we currently have):
1. This forced evolution, could be the first example of "Control" - notice that this would suggest that the concept is synthetic in origin. Make what assumptions of that you will.
2. The first Reaper (being the first after all) may not have the same level of technological advancement as the majority of Reapers that we see in game (to this point).
And now we get into wild speculation. I remember from the old forums that the Leviathan of Dis was a hot topic. Many of us believed that it could be a Reaper (some theorized that it could be Sovereign - a theory that at this point I think can be officially be put to bed). But the opposition argued that this statement from the planet description, "
...corpse of a genetically engineered living starship...", suggested that it was too "organic" to be a Reaper and therefore likely to be an easter egg. But given the new information (being discussed here), we know that the Leviathan was in fact a Reaper. It begs the question, why create a description that causes confusion? Perhaps, we were supposed to question whether or not it was a Reaper...perhaps, knowing for certain that it was a Reaper would give too much away?
Given the above statements (specifically point 2 of the assumptions), I propose this new theory. The Leviathan of Dis is the first Reaper created by the Catalyst from its creators. And considering what we know from the information that is included in the EC about the Leviathan (being a "rogue" Reaper for those that have not seen the information), I think that this fits quite well. The bigger question then becomes just how dis-satisfied with its creation (the Catalyst) is the Leviathan (after all it did fail in its initial task - given the "necessity" to create the Reapers; and then it forced this "solution via evolution" on them)? And what implications this has on the ending?
BansheeOwnage wrote...
Which reminds me. It seems like a waste to bring in all the VA's besides Shepards and have them say what? 1-5 lines?TSA_383 wrote...
True. I understand it's had some QA issues and such, but it's maybe a few weeks worth, perhaps 6 weeks tops.BansheeOwnage wrote...
According to the leak, it seems like the script is done already. So the whole Bioware team wasn't actually working on EC for the last 3 months!TJBartlemus wrote...
Well, I am mildly surprised that no one has posted on my thread. I thought at least someone would have an opinion. What about you guys? I have been with this thread for a while and I know that you guys are very intelligent people that think things through. So here is a link. Please comment!!
http://social.biowar.../index/12841666
Also vote on the poll. So far it has had mostly positive feedback.
Regarding the Leviathan DLC, I remember that Michael Gamble said that he has played some new single player dlc. That was before the discovery of this, so could Leviathan possibly be out soon?
Which makes sense if you think about it. No way the EC is a product of 3 months of dedication from an entire dev team.
But also, you don't hire your VA's back and then not have them record lines for the other DLCs you're planning, so those scripts are done well in advance.
Arian Dynas wrote...
Hey guys, what have I missed?
I guess I didn't notice because my Shepard's eyes are brown.MilitanT07 wrote...
I posted this several times but nobody seems to care.
Shepard eyes become brown when you enter the citidal after the beam regardless of what it was before.
Modifié par Setzer Daven, 28 juin 2012 - 09:10 .
HellishFiend wrote...
Mark my words, Bioware will not forever leave the current thematic disasters referred to as "endings" as they are. They would lose a lot of players that actually play BW games for the story. Including me.
D.Sharrah wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
Hey guys, what have I missed?
Check out my post just below yours...I want to know if I am off my rocker crazy or not. And I highly respect your opinion...but if you say I am crazy and I end of in a rubber room, I don't know if I will ever forgive you.
TIM sees everything in shades of grey...MaximizedAction wrote...
MilitanT07 wrote...
I posted this several times but nobody seems to care.
Shepard eyes become brown when you enter the citidal after the beam regardless of what it was before.
EDIT: Sheploo's blue eyes are perfectly blue up at the Catalyst's. But before that...
His eyes seem to be normal again, when looking at Earth. But before that the eyes' color seems to be altered by the surrounding light. Interestingly, same happens with the color of the Corridor part on the Citadel, when those doors open up.
The color dimming might have interesting implications, as everything seems so colorless when TIM's around.
plfranke wrote...
It should be noted that the dream trees are very evident in the scene where the normandy picks up the crew and evacuates them. Also, we still don't know why Harbinger flew away do we?
They've managed to leak practically every ME DLC ever. Can't be an accident.TJBartlemus wrote...
BansheeOwnage wrote...
Which reminds me. It seems like a waste to bring in all the VA's besides Shepards and have them say what? 1-5 lines?TSA_383 wrote...
True. I understand it's had some QA issues and such, but it's maybe a few weeks worth, perhaps 6 weeks tops.BansheeOwnage wrote...
According to the leak, it seems like the script is done already. So the whole Bioware team wasn't actually working on EC for the last 3 months!TJBartlemus wrote...
Well, I am mildly surprised that no one has posted on my thread. I thought at least someone would have an opinion. What about you guys? I have been with this thread for a while and I know that you guys are very intelligent people that think things through. So here is a link. Please comment!!
http://social.biowar.../index/12841666
Also vote on the poll. So far it has had mostly positive feedback.
Regarding the Leviathan DLC, I remember that Michael Gamble said that he has played some new single player dlc. That was before the discovery of this, so could Leviathan possibly be out soon?
Which makes sense if you think about it. No way the EC is a product of 3 months of dedication from an entire dev team.
But also, you don't hire your VA's back and then not have them record lines for the other DLCs you're planning, so those scripts are done well in advance.
Yes, it seems that BioWare isn't telling us the whole story about EC yet. There are supposed fixes in the game that have yet to all be found. The mars one by hellish is a good example. People need to look through all those files, cause they certainly left stuff in for the future, as shown by the Leviathan script. Either the person in BioWare that left it is sh**ing himself and got fired, or BioWare meant that to be there for a teaser.
Also still disappointed that almost no one has an opinion on Waking Nightmare Theory yet. And I'm sure you guys have an opinion. Don't be silent!! Good or Bad I want to hear it!! Any and all commentary is helpful in someway.
unfortunately, there is no hope, for IT or anything else. check social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12799212/3#12807105paxxton wrote...
Since it's silent now..paxxton wrote...
Reposting for the win!paxxton wrote...
Deal with it.Plus, why would he suddenly change his voice? He gets angry because Shepard rejected the attempted indoctrination.paxxton wrote...
LOL. Do you see!? The Catalyst says "So be it." !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe it's a message from BioWare, a hint !!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are considering IT and wink to the IT community by playing with words. Plus, the Rejection option was clearly added based on fan feedback. Proof: shooting the Catalyst was viral on BSN in March.
BioWare added the Rejection option in the EC because they see the potential in IT but to not give it away completely they camouflaged it in the Catalyst's short answer. Adding the bassy voice further distracts the player from the actual meaning because you concentrate on the sudden change in his voice rather than on discovering what it might mean that he says.
The most obvious things are always the easiest to miss. "So be IT."
jgibson14352 wrote...
unfortunately, there is no hope, for IT or anything else. check social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12799212/3#12807105
you aren't discouraged by that andromidus?Andromidius wrote...
jgibson14352 wrote...
unfortunately, there is no hope, for IT or anything else. check social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12799212/3#12807105
Uh huh. Okay. That's nice.
Moving along.
Modifié par plfranke, 28 juin 2012 - 09:19 .
BansheeOwnage wrote...
I'm going to screw around with the "SO BE IT" audio and try to figure out who's speaking. I've had some succes in the past.
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