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[paxxton]

dreamgazer wrote...

Oh, I'd definitely play a game centered on Shepard pulling him/herself out of indoctrination hell. I imagine it being kinda like Mass Effect's version of The Fade.

Mass Effect 4: Dead Space Edition  

[dreamgazer]

delldo wrote...

My random post...

I like the fact that the refuse ending has a different stargazer scene than the rest of the endings...

What I like most: (paraphrasing) "but I have only told you a few (3) of the stories" "can you tell me one more...please?" "Ok, but only one more story".

I thing that speaks for itself because even the diolague is different. I do like this ending the most, even though it implies a terrible fate for everyone.

I'm curious: as we sure that's an asari in the new stargazer scene?

[MaximizedAction]

dreamgazer wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

How come I enjoyed the EC immensely while so many didn't?

If not pleasing everyone as good as possible, what did the EC do wrong?
If you don't agree with the 'literal' endings, then look at the gazillion, polished hints for IT. If you don't agree with IT, then try to explain the 'literal' endings with the nice logic provided by the Catalyst.

To me, the EC made both of my sides happy: the IT sceptic and the literal sceptic. They baked a cake with all flavours for everyone to, unlike the Crucible, not discriminate anyone. And people are complaining how no one got a full cake of their own.

Or, that's my opinion. I think everybody should be pleased to some level.

You're not alone there. 

I enjoyed seeing the visualizations of the other endings (for morbid curiosity's sake, I relished seeing their idea of Reaper-God Controller Shepard and Utopian Synthesis), as well as the added refusal and the catalyst's justification. And the core outlook I've developed since March remains, with a few natural tweaks that accompany the tweaks to the ending.   They played their hand well, and they added just enough weirdness and core, real clues to strengthen certain interpretations and speculation.  

Not perfect, but well done.

Yeah, this! I also think the EC 'cleaned the room' so that some real speculatin' can be done. I found a lot of material to speculate on.

[SubAstris]

Dwailing wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

L0NEWOLF25 wrote...


The fact that they didn't list the Starchild's voice acter in the credits would make it seem that bioware wants to try and hide something from us, or have us discover it on our own.

Or they missed him...

Now do you REALLY think they would do that?  I mean, they even revised the credits to include the voice actress of the Female Stargazer.  Do you REALLY think they would just forget to include the Catalyst?

There's a Female Stargazer, I never knew

[DJBare]

HellishFiend wrote...

DJBare wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Mark my words, Bioware will not forever leave the current thematic disasters referred to as "endings" as they are. They would lose a lot of players that actually play BW games for the story. Including me.

As a "story" they can legitimately leave it the way it is, but it's not just a story, it's both a "game" and a "story", in my opinion a "game" should have a definitive end whether it's lose or win.

Sure they could technically leave it the way it is, but I would no longer be a part of their target audience, and as such, would no longer consume their future products. 

I am in agreement with you, if they are deliberately stretching out the conclusion to Shepard's story then there can be only one reason for that, extra dosh(pay for the next sub episode), that will irritate me no end, ME3 was stated as being the final chapter in Shepard's story, anything beyond just makes it silly and reduces and takes away from their epic flagship game.

[paxxton]

@MaximizedAction: Judging from your sig, you can see how BioWare is playing with words in that phrase.

[masster blaster]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

I'm going to screw around with the "SO BE IT" audio and try to figure out who's speaking. I've had some succes in the past.

I'm curious, was this dialogue cut? 'Cause if so, BW screwed up BIG TIME by removing it.

Yeah sorry for not saying what it is. It's Geth Prime dialogue (though clearly legion's VA ) that was cut from the end. This implies a lot of things, including the fact that they were going to have the Prime there as well as Tali. Why they removed it is beyond me, unless you know they didn't want us to think organics could ever live with synthetics and buy into starkid's logic. Synergy when we are in consensus.

The combat dialogue pisses me off the most though. Because it means they were also going to have scenes with Quarians and Geth fighting Reapers. Here are some more examples if you're interested.
Grunt:
Jack: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_AK6vz4_bM&feature=relmfu
Zaeed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPJ_QsIVOD0&feature=relmfu
Edit: Incase you missed Anderson's: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZsRUEEr-AU

Who could they cut of Zaeed like that: " set up a cross fire! S***! Burn you sons of a B*******." would have been worth it and plus had a good laugh at it to.

[MaximizedAction]

dreamgazer wrote...

delldo wrote...

My random post...

I like the fact that the refuse ending has a different stargazer scene than the rest of the endings...

What I like most: (paraphrasing) "but I have only told you a few (3) of the stories" "can you tell me one more...please?" "Ok, but only one more story".

I thing that speaks for itself because even the diolague is different. I do like this ending the most, even though it implies a terrible fate for everyone.

I'm curious: as we sure that's an asari in the new stargazer scene?

My first thought was, it was an evolution from an asari & turian: The head tenticles were too long for a pure asari and the body too 'soft' for a pure turian.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 28 juin 2012 - 10:27 .

[Dwailing]

dreamgazer wrote...

delldo wrote...

My random post...

I like the fact that the refuse ending has a different stargazer scene than the rest of the endings...

What I like most: (paraphrasing) "but I have only told you a few (3) of the stories" "can you tell me one more...please?" "Ok, but only one more story".

I thing that speaks for itself because even the diolague is different. I do like this ending the most, even though it implies a terrible fate for everyone.

I'm curious: as we sure that's an asari in the new stargazer scene?

We can't be certain, but given that she has what look like Asari head folds (Or whatever the heck you want to call them.), and she sounds a LOT like the various Asari we've met throughout the game, plus the fact that she's FEMALE in the first place, kind of suggests, to me anyway, that she's an Asari.

[Rifneno]

Conrad: Wow, you're one of those justicars?
Samara: Yes.
Conrad: So what's the code like?
Samara: It is longer than an entire set of human encyclopedias and addresses every situation conceivable.
Conrad: Wow! Okay, what if like, someone fused synthetic and organics into a single DNA, making everyone in the galaxy a new hybrid of the two?
Samara: Conrad, I am nearly one thousand years old and that is the stupidest thing I have heard in my life.
Conrad:

[Dwailing]

SubAstris wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

L0NEWOLF25 wrote...


The fact that they didn't list the Starchild's voice acter in the credits would make it seem that bioware wants to try and hide something from us, or have us discover it on our own.

Or they missed him...

Now do you REALLY think they would do that?  I mean, they even revised the credits to include the voice actress of the Female Stargazer.  Do you REALLY think they would just forget to include the Catalyst?

There's a Female Stargazer, I never knew

Yeah, you see her after the Rejection ending.

[Dwailing]

Rifneno wrote...

Conrad: Wow, you're one of those justicars?
Samara: Yes.
Conrad: So what's the code like?
Samara: It is longer than an entire set of human encyclopedias and addresses every situation conceivable.
Conrad: Wow! Okay, what if like, someone fused synthetic and organics into a single DNA, making everyone in the galaxy a new hybrid of the two?
Samara: Conrad, I am nearly one thousand years old and that is the stupidest thing I have heard in my life.
Conrad:

OK, this is awesome.

[BansheeOwnage]

I'm not sure it's necessary after hearing it but here's the version that goes to 100% higher. And I think it is manshep.


On a different note, I found that background picture and thought it was weird that Shepard seems to be pulling Shepard up.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 28 juin 2012 - 10:37 .

[MaximizedAction]

Rifneno wrote...

Conrad: Wow, you're one of those justicars?
Samara: Yes.
Conrad: So what's the code like?
Samara: It is longer than an entire set of human encyclopedias and addresses every situation conceivable.
Conrad: Wow! Okay, what if like, someone fused synthetic and organics into a single DNA, making everyone in the galaxy a new hybrid of the two?
Samara: Conrad, I am nearly one thousand years old and that is the stupidest thing I have heard in my life.
Conrad:

Conrad: SO BE IT!

[TJBartlemus]

HellishFiend wrote...

DJBare wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Mark my words, Bioware will not forever leave the current thematic disasters referred to as "endings" as they are. They would lose a lot of players that actually play BW games for the story. Including me.

As a "story" they can legitimately leave it the way it is, but it's not just a story, it's both a "game" and a "story", in my opinion a "game" should have a definitive end whether it's lose or win.

Sure they could technically leave it the way it is, but I would no longer be a part of their target audience, and as such, would no longer consume their future products. 

They purposely didn't acnowledge the ending cause: 

1- Speculations = hype = money.

2- If they catered to one side, the other would be angry. (This point illustrates that they have yet to prove or disprove) 

3- They possibly proved both were right. Explained in WNT: EC (Also still need opinions on thread. It's too silent.)

4- They won't continue after the endings for the point of 1 and 2. Instead they will make before ending dlc that will provide excellent story, gameplay, and hints towards the endings making it a must buy by the Mass Effect fanbase.

[BansheeOwnage]

masster blaster wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

I'm going to screw around with the "SO BE IT" audio and try to figure out who's speaking. I've had some succes in the past.

I'm curious, was this dialogue cut? 'Cause if so, BW screwed up BIG TIME by removing it.

Yeah sorry for not saying what it is. It's Geth Prime dialogue (though clearly legion's VA ) that was cut from the end. This implies a lot of things, including the fact that they were going to have the Prime there as well as Tali. Why they removed it is beyond me, unless you know they didn't want us to think organics could ever live with synthetics and buy into starkid's logic. Synergy when we are in consensus.

The combat dialogue pisses me off the most though. Because it means they were also going to have scenes with Quarians and Geth fighting Reapers. Here are some more examples if you're interested.
Grunt:
Jack: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_AK6vz4_bM&feature=relmfu
Zaeed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPJ_QsIVOD0&feature=relmfu
Edit: Incase you missed Anderson's: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZsRUEEr-AU

Who could they cut of Zaeed like that: " set up a cross fire! S***! Burn you sons of a B*******." would have been worth it and plus had a good laugh at it to.

Yeah there was a lack of Zaeed.

[McWhitey3]

[quote]Andromidius wrote...

[quote]jgibson14352 wrote...
unfortunately, there is no hope, for IT or anything else. check social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12799212/3#12807105

[/quote]

To me he is just saying they wont be doing an EC to the EC. 

[BansheeOwnage]

Dwailing wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

delldo wrote...

My random post...

I like the fact that the refuse ending has a different stargazer scene than the rest of the endings...

What I like most: (paraphrasing) "but I have only told you a few (3) of the stories" "can you tell me one more...please?" "Ok, but only one more story".

I thing that speaks for itself because even the diolague is different. I do like this ending the most, even though it implies a terrible fate for everyone.

I'm curious: as we sure that's an asari in the new stargazer scene?

We can't be certain, but given that she has what look like Asari head folds (Or whatever the heck you want to call them.), and she sounds a LOT like the various Asari we've met throughout the game, plus the fact that she's FEMALE in the first place, kind of suggests, to me anyway, that she's an Asari.

If you take the endings literally, it can't be an Asari. Our entire cycle was destroyed. Plus the kid is male.

[dreamgazer]

Dwailing wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

delldo wrote...

My random post...

I like the fact that the refuse ending has a different stargazer scene than the rest of the endings...

What I like most: (paraphrasing) "but I have only told you a few (3) of the stories" "can you tell me one more...please?" "Ok, but only one more story".

I thing that speaks for itself because even the diolague is different. I do like this ending the most, even though it implies a terrible fate for everyone.

I'm curious: as we sure that's an asari in the new stargazer scene?

We can't be certain, but given that she has what look like Asari head folds (Or whatever the heck you want to call them.), and she sounds a LOT like the various Asari we've met throughout the game, plus the fact that she's FEMALE in the first place, kind of suggests, to me anyway, that she's an Asari.

I agree with all that, but I have a curious question about it: why wouldn't the asari be one of the advanced races that were "ascended" in the current cycle?

[TJBartlemus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

I'm not sure it's necessary after hearing it but here's the version that goes to 100% higher. And I think it is manshep.


On a different note, I found that background picture and thought it was wierd that Shepard seems to be pulling Shepard up.

That is hilarious! I'm picturing the starchild saying the one at 100% in the game.  

[jgibson14352]

dreamgazer wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

delldo wrote...

My random post...

I like the fact that the refuse ending has a different stargazer scene than the rest of the endings...

What I like most: (paraphrasing) "but I have only told you a few (3) of the stories" "can you tell me one more...please?" "Ok, but only one more story".

I thing that speaks for itself because even the diolague is different. I do like this ending the most, even though it implies a terrible fate for everyone.

I'm curious: as we sure that's an asari in the new stargazer scene?

We can't be certain, but given that she has what look like Asari head folds (Or whatever the heck you want to call them.), and she sounds a LOT like the various Asari we've met throughout the game, plus the fact that she's FEMALE in the first place, kind of suggests, to me anyway, that she's an Asari.

I agree with all that, but I have a curious question about it: why wouldn't the asari be one of the advanced races that were "ascended" in the current cycle?

all the races were ascended, but only one per cycle is uplifted to capital ship form. it would have been the asari, but how they relied on aliens for reproduction showed genetic weakness

[EpyonX3]

Dwailing wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

delldo wrote...

My random post...

I like the fact that the refuse ending has a different stargazer scene than the rest of the endings...

What I like most: (paraphrasing) "but I have only told you a few (3) of the stories" "can you tell me one more...please?" "Ok, but only one more story".

I thing that speaks for itself because even the diolague is different. I do like this ending the most, even though it implies a terrible fate for everyone.

I'm curious: as we sure that's an asari in the new stargazer scene?

We can't be certain, but given that she has what look like Asari head folds (Or whatever the heck you want to call them.), and she sounds a LOT like the various Asari we've met throughout the game, plus the fact that she's FEMALE in the first place, kind of suggests, to me anyway, that she's an Asari.

I think she's asari because they can mate with anything and reproduce. They also live for a long enough time to repopulate. A few hold outs are enough to repopulate the galaxy. Memories are also passed down from generation to generation so the reapers are a fresh thought in their minds. Liara's capsule, which requires little decrypting helps tha cycle fight them off.

[Sero303]

Salient Archer wrote...

Every time I read this line about the Leviathen of dis: "...the apparent corpse of a genetically engineered living starship." I can't help but think of Moya from Farscape, who was a living ship who happened to be from a species called *drum roll sound* Leviathens.

Agreed

[SirLugash]

Dwailing wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

L0NEWOLF25 wrote...


The fact that they didn't list the Starchild's voice acter in the credits would make it seem that bioware wants to try and hide something from us, or have us discover it on our own.

Or they missed him...

Now do you REALLY think they would do that?  I mean, they even revised the credits to include the voice actress of the Female Stargazer.  Do you REALLY think they would just forget to include the Catalyst?

Maybe they didn't because it's still a little boy who doesn't want the attention ?

Anyways, I checked IMDB for this and I just saw that the voice actor of Kai Leng is also the Multiplayer Announcer ?

[BansheeOwnage]

I'm going to go play some MP now. For anyone that cares, I think they fixed you getting tons of redundant player cards by giving you new (as of EC) level IV ammo types/equipment!