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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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byne wrote...

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byne wrote...

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Ya how did the Rachni make a huge affect On mE3's endings.

mike Gamble-“[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass
Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”


Question. Do we see Rachni husks after we save/kill the queen? I don't remember what my choices were.

Yes, I saved it and the rachni betrayed me. In London there is a cutscenes with rachni, also there are rachni to shoot.

Which on the one from ME1 or ME3 if you killed the Queen from ME1.

In ME3.


To quote Joker:

You killed the normal queen back on Noveria, but the crazy reapified thing, that's the one you take a chance on?

That was from Garrus.


Bullshit.

OK. It seemed like the right choice. Posted Image

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paxxton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Ya how did the Rachni make a huge affect On mE3's endings.

mike Gamble-“[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass
Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”


Question. Do we see Rachni husks after we save/kill the queen? I don't remember what my choices were.

Yes, I saved it and the rachni betrayed me. In London there is a cutscenes with rachni, also there are rachni to shoot.

Which on the one from ME1 or ME3 if you killed the Queen from ME1.

In ME3.


Then that's why they bretrayed you because the Reapers created that Rachni Queen, and if you save the ME1 Queen she gives you a 100 war assets but is not in the fight at Earth and why did he say that they haev a huge role to play?

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masster blaster wrote...

paxxton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Ya how did the Rachni make a huge affect On mE3's endings.

mike Gamble-“[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass
Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”


Question. Do we see Rachni husks after we save/kill the queen? I don't remember what my choices were.

Yes, I saved it and the rachni betrayed me. In London there is a cutscenes with rachni, also there are rachni to shoot.

Which on the one from ME1 or ME3 if you killed the Queen from ME1.

In ME3.


Then that's why they bretrayed you because the Reapers created that Rachni Queen, and if you save the ME1 Queen she gives you a 100 war assets but is not in the fight at Earth and why did he say that they haev a huge role to play?

Maybe they are left for a DLC. Posted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 28 juin 2012 - 11:44 .


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HellishFiend wrote...

Mark my words, Bioware will not forever leave the current thematic disasters referred to as "endings" as they are. They would lose a lot of players that actually play BW games for the story. Including me.


It would be difficult to overestimate just how much I want you to be right about this, HellishFiend!

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Salient Archer wrote...

*clip*

I should also point out that during this conversation in Arrival, Harbinger never announces what his name is regardless of what form he takes. Obviously a Reaper wouldn’t name itself considering they have no need for names, this is something we assign to them but regardless, Harbinger is clearly the name Shepard had assigned to this unique Reaper antagonist and would have been the name he gave it when presenting this information to the Alliance, but yet without seeing Harbingers image how would he be able to describe it’s defining characteristics? As far as my Shepard knew it just looked like Sovereign.

*clip*


I think the information on Harbinger is supposed to be recovered from the collector base, so any Shepard that completed ME2 would know about him.

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Kabraxal wrote...

The reject ending seems to fit with IT logic as well... whether or not any of this is realised, no one can say IT is dead. Everything still fits with IT at this point.



I don't understand why many left just because "EC killed the mood". If it was an issue of "mood", I never noticed that. Maybe it's for the best. IT deserves better supporters.

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masster blaster wrote...

paxxton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Ya how did the Rachni make a huge affect On mE3's endings.

mike Gamble-“[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass
Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”


Question. Do we see Rachni husks after we save/kill the queen? I don't remember what my choices were.

Yes, I saved it and the rachni betrayed me. In London there is a cutscenes with rachni, also there are rachni to shoot.

Which on the one from ME1 or ME3 if you killed the Queen from ME1.

In ME3.


Then that's why they bretrayed you because the Reapers created that Rachni Queen, and if you save the ME1 Queen she gives you a 100 war assets but is not in the fight at Earth and why did he say that they haev a huge role to play?

because javik says they were in his cycle as well. remember the prothean vi on thessia? he said that certain patterns repeat themselves in each cycle, one being the protheans and the Zha'Til in the metacon wars, this current cycles being with the geth. they both faced opposition form organic, then later synthetic enemies. while those conflicts split galactic organization, the reapers, half organic half synthetic, would strike. remember javik said he thought the protheans had hunted the rachni to extinction as well. the rachni are important because they imply that the reapers use the rachni and the synthetics in every cycle against the larger organic population. the queen said there was a maddening sour note, showing that the reapers took control over the rachni. in ME3, if you killed the rachni in ME1, the reapers have cloned a new queen.
if you havent put the puzzle together yet, it shows that the rachni have always been a tool of the reapers

Modifié par jgibson14352, 28 juin 2012 - 11:48 .


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So, yknow how when Shepard calls the Normandy for evac, Joker is there immediately?

Remember the one other time Shep called for evac, when escaping the volcanic eruption when recruiting Liara in ME1? Joker wasnt even fighting that time, and he said "ETA 8 minutes"

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byne wrote...

So, about the EC. Did it add anything anywhere other than the last 10 minutes, starting at the conduit run?

Cause I figured they'd at least add some stuff for the ME2 romances, but I dont have any characters that are in a romance with a ME2 character, so I cant check.


I'm not positive, but I think they may have tweaked some of the dialog at Chronos. I was fairly sure TIM said his "dont assume you know me" line previously, and I didnt hear it this time. And the background whispers around Vendetta seemed alot clearer, but it may have been because I was listening for them.

Modifié par Vaya, 28 juin 2012 - 11:52 .


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byne wrote...

So, yknow how when Shepard calls the Normandy for evac, Joker is there immediately?

Remember the one other time Shep called for evac, when escaping the volcanic eruption when recruiting Liara in ME1? Joker wasnt even fighting that time, and he said "ETA 8 minutes"

Oh, c'mon. I wrote it just a few minutes ago.

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paxxton wrote...

LOL. Did you notice how fast Normandy showed up to evacuate the squadmates? Also, Joker says they are taking heavy losses. How the hell does he appear over the ground zero so fast? And then Shepard has a long farewell chat while Harby is waiting for him to finish it?? Something doesn't add up here.



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paxxton wrote...

When Normandy flies away, Harby looks at it.
http://www.youtube.c...2jEnvQh4#t=117s



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paxxton wrote...

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LOL. Did you notice how fast Normandy showed up to evacuate the squadmates? Also, Joker says they are taking heavy losses. How the hell does he appear over the ground zero so fast? And then Shepard has a long farewell chat while Harby is waiting for him to finish it?? Something doesn't add up here.


Yeah, well I wrote that all the day the EC came out, you mentioning it again just reminded me of the time on Therum.


Also! I havent seen anyone mention the fact that this still doesnt explain how the squadmates you didnt take with you on the beam run make it aboard the Normandy. They're never shown being picked up, so they still teleported.

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Salient Archer wrote...

Now this raises an issue: If my Shepard never saw Harbinger in his true form how would anyone know what Harbinger looks like? No one ever had any face-to-face contact with him, not even Shepard in this case. So even when Shepard filled his reports how would he be able to describe something that he had never seen? It would be like a blind man trying to describe colour.


Remember back during the epilogue of ME2 where Shepard is walking past the surviving crew and Joker hands him a datapad, which he gazes at and nods? Look at the datapad. It has several images of Harbinger on it.

jgibson14352 wrote...

look, they didnt debunk the IT, and they never will. theres a very small chance thats because they plan more dlc, but its an insanely small chance. from what ive read from the bioware team members, they want you to speculate all you want and come up with your own story. yes. and entertainment company wants you to use your imagination, instead of the way its supposed to work, where we give them money to imagine for us. these are all on jessica merizans twitter, if you dont believe me


First of all, you're in no position to judge the chance of a DLC or ME4 than the rest of us. Second of all, Jessica Merizan has zero credibility. If you'd kept up, you'd know that.

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

So, yknow how when Shepard calls the Normandy for evac, Joker is there immediately?

Remember the one other time Shep called for evac, when escaping the volcanic eruption when recruiting Liara in ME1? Joker wasnt even fighting that time, and he said "ETA 8 minutes"

Oh, c'mon. I wrote it just a few minutes ago.


You both missed the most LOL part. Both the Normandy and Harbinger came from Sword. Normandy got there pretty much instantly. Harbinger took a few minutes.

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byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

paxxton wrote...

LOL. Did you notice how fast Normandy showed up to evacuate the squadmates? Also, Joker says they are taking heavy losses. How the hell does he appear over the ground zero so fast? And then Shepard has a long farewell chat while Harby is waiting for him to finish it?? Something doesn't add up here.


Yeah, well I wrote that all the day the EC came out, you mentioning it again just reminded me of the time on Therum.


Also! I havent seen anyone mention the fact that this still doesnt explain how the squadmates you didnt take with you on the beam run make it aboard the Normandy. They're never shown being picked up, so they still teleported.

Good point! It all seems fishy. Maybe the hallucination started earlier than we think.

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paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

paxxton wrote...

LOL. Did you notice how fast Normandy showed up to evacuate the squadmates? Also, Joker says they are taking heavy losses. How the hell does he appear over the ground zero so fast? And then Shepard has a long farewell chat while Harby is waiting for him to finish it?? Something doesn't add up here.


Yeah, well I wrote that all the day the EC came out, you mentioning it again just reminded me of the time on Therum.


Also! I havent seen anyone mention the fact that this still doesnt explain how the squadmates you didnt take with you on the beam run make it aboard the Normandy. They're never shown being picked up, so they still teleported.

Good point! It all seems fishy. Maybe the hallucination started earlier than we think.


/facepalm

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I wonder who was the voice actor for starbrat/harbinger's SO BE IT... can't have been keith szarabajka could it? would be a dead giveaway but there's no way to tell at least for me.

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The Space Hamster War Asset made a huge difference in the final battle against the Reapers.

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I just thought of something, how did crewmembers that weren't in your squad get on earth? They weren't even on the same shuttle as you when going to earth and Joker said he was rejoining sword.

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llbountyhunter wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

paxxton wrote...

LOL. Did you notice how fast Normandy showed up to evacuate the squadmates? Also, Joker says they are taking heavy losses. How the hell does he appear over the ground zero so fast? And then Shepard has a long farewell chat while Harby is waiting for him to finish it?? Something doesn't add up here.


Yeah, well I wrote that all the day the EC came out, you mentioning it again just reminded me of the time on Therum.


Also! I havent seen anyone mention the fact that this still doesnt explain how the squadmates you didnt take with you on the beam run make it aboard the Normandy. They're never shown being picked up, so they still teleported.

Good point! It all seems fishy. Maybe the hallucination started earlier than we think.


/facepalm

Why?

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L0NEWOLF25 wrote...

I just thought of something, how did crewmembers that weren't in your squad get on earth? They weren't even on the same shuttle as you when going to earth and Joker said he was rejoining sword.


I dont know if you're joking because of the way I just did the same thing to Paxxton, or if you just missed my post a second ago where I said that.

:unsure:

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paxxton wrote...

The Space Hamster War Asset made a huge difference in the final battle against the Reapers.


????????

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masster blaster wrote...

paxxton wrote...

The Space Hamster War Asset made a huge difference in the final battle against the Reapers.


????????


That was a joke. [/EDI]

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byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

paxxton wrote...

The Space Hamster War Asset made a huge difference in the final battle against the Reapers.


????????


That was a joke. [/EDI]

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byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

paxxton wrote...

The Space Hamster War Asset made a huge difference in the final battle against the Reapers.


????????


That was a joke. [/EDI]


Sorry I was acting Like Sheaprd.

I now IT's not a assent because I checked my assets everytime I am back on the Normandy.