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[masster blaster]

You know if Bioware wanted to disprove IT then they could have change he catalys dialogue in destroy is you have high EMS " you may live but the geth and even your friend EDI would die.

Also did any of us think that when Tim was Indoc in ME3 why did he worn the Reapers about the Catalyst if the god child wanted Shepard to pick one of the following.

And if the Citadle was the Catalyst home and was the main Reaper/creator then why didn't the Reapers try to protect the creator if the Organics are still on the creators home.

Last but not lest why asn't anybody found that area where the god child dweleses at. It's not like it's where the keepers go where no body can find them. So ya.

[Rifneno]

Simon_Says wrote...

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Also, I don't want to sound like a ****** but I'm kinda miffed that Dwailing is the only guy who noticed my Leverage Hypothesis (that short enough). My posts too long to bother with or what?

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... Seriously?

[jgibson14352]

Rifneno wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

the reapers use their indoctrinated agents to erase any evidence of them being there, as Liara said in ME1, its as if someone went back and erased all evidence of what caused their extinction. also, the reapers leave a vanguard to make sure all is well, along with numerous artifacts (check Evolution, Arrival, side missions in ME1) so any evidence or warning of an invasion could easily be blocked. besides, how plausible is that? the council obviously saw it as ridiculous, what would the no-nonsense strict protheans think of one crackpot?

The Reapers cleanse clues not just of themselves but of a great deal of knowledge about the civilizations.  Liara is an acclaimed Prothean scholar and she had no idea what kind of government they had, what religion they had, their interactions with other races, ect.  In fact her dialogue in ME1 indicates that there wasn't enough left of pre-Prothean cycles to confirm this "cycle of extinction" even existed, it was just a hunch she had.

And it makes sense.  If the Reapers left behind proof of the cycle, they wouldn't need to leave proof of themselves.  The mere fact that new races could piece together "every 50,000 years something happens that wipes out all advanced life" would tell them.  It's not a scooby-doo mystery.  The time pattern is too regular for it to be a naturally occuring event.  The only logical conclusion is that something terrible is hiding out there.  They would certainly prepare.  It's therefor in the Reapers' best interest to keep the previous cycle shrouded in mystery and the ones before that so obscure as to be mere speculation.

As for what the Protheans would think of one crackpot... they'd lay a single finger on him and realize the horrible truth.

Edit: Quote cleanup

you make alot of sense, but the evidence was scarce enough that Liara only had a hunch, nothing she could prove. if you look around the ME universe, youll see small hints at that cycle. remember, the protheans lasted a very long time, but couldnt organize because the reapers took out their center of government in the first wave, learning all of the secrets they had in any kind of computer, save for the ones that were erased, like the information on Ilos.
and protheans can transmit memories, yes, but havent you remembered something one way, then been proven totally wrong?

[crimsontotem]

IT will end when bioware announce their last dlc that has nothing to do with an ending. Just a prequel to the game.

[Simon_Says]

Rifneno wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

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Also, I don't want to sound like a ****** but I'm kinda miffed that Dwailing is the only guy who noticed my Leverage Hypothesis (that short enough). My posts too long to bother with or what?

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... Seriously?

-edit- Edited wall to be somewhat shorter. Will keep trimming.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 29 juin 2012 - 04:35 .

[BansheeOwnage]

crimsontotem wrote...

IT will end when bioware announce their last dlc that has nothing to do with an ending. Just a prequel to the game.

"The game"? If you mean ME3, they have that already; Arrival.

[comrade gando]

hmm strange. TV tropes says that keith szarabajka (harbinger's voice actor) actually did some "additional" voices for mass effect 3. interesting...

[BansheeOwnage]

comrade gando wrote...

hmm strange. TV tropes says that keith szarabajka (harbinger's voice actor) actually did some "additional" voices for mass effect 3. interesting...

Some random Batarian I think. In the refugee camp. So I'll repeat myself on this point simply because it requires infinite emphasis:
WHY THE **** DID HARBINGER HAVE NO LINES??????????????????????????????????????????????

>(((((((((((((((((((((

[plfranke]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

hmm strange. TV tropes says that keith szarabajka (harbinger's voice actor) actually did some "additional" voices for mass effect 3. interesting...

Some random Batarian I think. In the refugee camp. So I'll repeat myself on this point simply because it requires infinite emphasis:
WHY THE **** DID HARBINGER HAVE NO LINES??????????????????????????????????????????????

>(((((((((((((((((((((

I'm betting that one day, we'll hear harbinger again

[HellishFiend]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

hmm strange. TV tropes says that keith szarabajka (harbinger's voice actor) actually did some "additional" voices for mass effect 3. interesting...

Some random Batarian I think. In the refugee camp. So I'll repeat myself on this point simply because it requires infinite emphasis:
WHY THE **** DID HARBINGER HAVE NO LINES??????????????????????????????????????????????

>(((((((((((((((((((((

I believe I can explain that one.

Harbinger:


Dr Evil:


One gloats about the existence of plans without revealing their nature and then shuts up when carrying them out, the other doesnt know when to shut up and reveals his plans while theyre already in motion. Guess which is which. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 29 juin 2012 - 04:56 .

[Rifneno]

"We will not be changing the endings. Period."

...

"Jessica, you said EDI lives in the destroy. What happened?"
"Yeah, sorry, it got changed."

Seems legit.

[Andromidius]

Rifneno wrote...

"We will not be changing the endings. Period."

...

"Jessica, you said EDI lives in the destroy. What happened?"
"Yeah, sorry, it got changed."

Seems legit.

Indeed.  For not changing the endings, they sure changed a lot of things.

I especially liked it when the Mass Relays decided not to explode this time.  Its amazing how much clarity you can add to a story by removing details that the fans disliked.

[jgibson14352]

 I just received over Xbox LIVE a message from the gamertag BioWareDev7, who is Jos Hendriks, a designer for Mass Effect 2 and 3. i asked him if there would be any post-reaper dlc that expanded on shepards story, and this was the ambiguous return message, im quoting directly "I cannot give you an answer to that question, sorry. :)" it wasnt a direct no, like what was stated by Tully Ackland here, so at least its something. i know this really isnt anything, but the thread slowed down, so whats the harm?

[BansheeOwnage]

plfranke wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

hmm strange. TV tropes says that keith szarabajka (harbinger's voice actor) actually did some "additional" voices for mass effect 3. interesting...

Some random Batarian I think. In the refugee camp. So I'll repeat myself on this point simply because it requires infinite emphasis:
WHY THE **** DID HARBINGER HAVE NO LINES??????????????????????????????????????????????

>(((((((((((((((((((((

I'm betting that one day, we'll hear harbinger again

Hope your right.

[BansheeOwnage]

Rifneno wrote...

"We will not be changing the endings. Period."

...

"Jessica, you said EDI lives in the destroy. What happened?"
"Yeah, sorry, it got changed."

Seems legit.

That was funny enough that I loled.

[Simon_Says]

Rifneno wrote...

"We will not be changing the endings. Period."

...

"Jessica, you said EDI lives in the destroy. What happened?"
"Yeah, sorry, it got changed."

Seems legit.

Was that ever even confirmed to exist? As a bug or otherwise?

[TJBartlemus]

Andromidius wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

"We will not be changing the endings. Period."

...

"Jessica, you said EDI lives in the destroy. What happened?"
"Yeah, sorry, it got changed."

Seems legit.

Indeed.  For not changing the endings, they sure changed a lot of things.

I especially liked it when the Mass Relays decided not to explode this time.  Its amazing how much clarity you can add to a story by removing details that the fans disliked.

Well the endings are still there, it's just that they are now the low EMS endings. So they could still explode entirely.

[Andromidius]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

"We will not be changing the endings. Period."

...

"Jessica, you said EDI lives in the destroy. What happened?"
"Yeah, sorry, it got changed."

Seems legit.

Indeed.  For not changing the endings, they sure changed a lot of things.

I especially liked it when the Mass Relays decided not to explode this time.  Its amazing how much clarity you can add to a story by removing details that the fans disliked.

Well the endings are still there, it's just that they are now the low EMS endings. So they could still explode entirely.

The relays exploded every time originally, regardless of EMS.  So by changing that, they've changed the endings considerably.

[HellishFiend]

Andromidius wrote...

The relays exploded every time originally, regardless of EMS.  So by changing that, they've changed the endings considerably.

To say nothing of the fact that they said they wouldnt be "adding any new endings", yet they did exactly that with Reject. 

[Rifneno]

Andromidius wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

"We will not be changing the endings. Period."

...

"Jessica, you said EDI lives in the destroy. What happened?"
"Yeah, sorry, it got changed."

Seems legit.

Indeed.  For not changing the endings, they sure changed a lot of things.

I especially liked it when the Mass Relays decided not to explode this time.  Its amazing how much clarity you can add to a story by removing details that the fans disliked.

I'm considering building a good list of things BW has told us about ME3 that were...  let's just say "inaccurate."  Not because I want to ***** about it but as a counterpoint for everytime literalists tell us "BW said they're not changing the endings, deal with it!"  The problem is, the threads about those, err, inaccuracies tend to get locked.  I'm thinking that's less to do with the point I want to make and more to do with the fact they always seem to be a mountain of hate and venom.  Still, worrying.

Nonetheless, here's a few juicy ones to help get the point across to literalists who take BW at their word 100% of the time.

“[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.” - Mac Walters

“You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide some answers to these people.” - Mike Gamble

“Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers, being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an end.” - Casey Hudson

"It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them." - Casey Hudson

"So it's not like a classic game ending where everything is linear and you make a choice between a few things - it really does layer in many, many different choices, up to the final moments, where it's going to be different for everyone who plays it.” - Casey Hudson

I love it.  Before release it was all "we'll give you closure and resolution, answers to everything."  After release we all go "What the nazara was that?!  Did the ending even really happen?!" and they just let out a demonic chortle, pet a black cat, and tell us to speculate.

[jgibson14352]

Rifneno wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

"We will not be changing the endings. Period."

...

"Jessica, you said EDI lives in the destroy. What happened?"
"Yeah, sorry, it got changed."

Seems legit.

Indeed.  For not changing the endings, they sure changed a lot of things.

I especially liked it when the Mass Relays decided not to explode this time.  Its amazing how much clarity you can add to a story by removing details that the fans disliked.

I'm considering building a good list of things BW has told us about ME3 that were...  let's just say "inaccurate."  Not because I want to ***** about it but as a counterpoint for everytime literalists tell us "BW said they're not changing the endings, deal with it!"  The problem is, the threads about those, err, inaccuracies tend to get locked.  I'm thinking that's less to do with the point I want to make and more to do with the fact they always seem to be a mountain of hate and venom.  Still, worrying.

Nonetheless, here's a few juicy ones to help get the point across to literalists who take BW at their word 100% of the time.

“[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.” - Mac Walters

“You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide some answers to these people.” - Mike Gamble

“Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers, being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an end.” - Casey Hudson

"It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them." - Casey Hudson

"So it's not like a classic game ending where everything is linear and you make a choice between a few things - it really does layer in many, many different choices, up to the final moments, where it's going to be different for everyone who plays it.” - Casey Hudson

I love it.  Before release it was all "we'll give you closure and resolution, answers to everything."  After release we all go "What the nazara was that?!  Did the ending even really happen?!" and they just let out a demonic chortle, pet a black cat, and tell us to speculate.

already done.

[HellishFiend]

Rifneno wrote...

I'm considering building a good list of things BW has told us about ME3 that were...  let's just say "inaccurate."  Not because I want to ***** about it but as a counterpoint for everytime literalists tell us "BW said they're not changing the endings, deal with it!"  The problem is, the threads about those, err, inaccuracies tend to get locked.  I'm thinking that's less to do with the point I want to make and more to do with the fact they always seem to be a mountain of hate and venom.  Still, worrying.

Nonetheless, here's a few juicy ones to help get the point across to literalists who take BW at their word 100% of the time.

“[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.” - Mac Walters

“You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide some answers to these people.” - Mike Gamble

“Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers, being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an end.” - Casey Hudson

"It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them." - Casey Hudson

"So it's not like a classic game ending where everything is linear and you make a choice between a few things - it really does layer in many, many different choices, up to the final moments, where it's going to be different for everyone who plays it.” - Casey Hudson

I love it.  Before release it was all "we'll give you closure and resolution, answers to everything."  After release we all go "What the nazara was that?!  Did the ending even really happen?!" and they just let out a demonic chortle, pet a black cat, and tell us to speculate.

You know Rifeno, now that you mention it, it's almost like BW's words and actions are contradicting themselves the same way that Starbinger's words and actions contradict with the behavior of the Reapers. Could just be a happy coincidence, but who knows. <_<

[Simon_Says]

Rifneno wrote...

I love it.  Before release it was all "we'll give you closure and resolution, answers to everything."  After release we all go "What the nazara was that?!  Did the ending even really happen?!" and they just let out a demonic chortle, pet a black cat, and tell us to speculate.

"Do you expect me to be happy with this?"
"No Mr. Rifneno, I expect you to speculate!"

Modifié par Simon_Says, 29 juin 2012 - 05:15 .

[Lokanaiya]

jgibson14352 wrote...

 I just received over Xbox LIVE a message from the gamertag BioWareDev7, who is Jos Hendriks, a designer for Mass Effect 2 and 3. i asked him if there would be any post-reaper dlc that expanded on shepards story, and this was the ambiguous return message, im quoting directly "I cannot give you an answer to that question, sorry. :)" it wasnt a direct no, like what was stated by Tully Ackland here, so at least its something. i know this really isnt anything, but the thread slowed down, so whats the harm?

Very interesting... Don't want to get my hopes up too much, but, if that's true, it sounds very promising.... 

And am I the only one who's noticed that every time we've managed to get a straight answer from ANY dev about post-ending stuff it's always been "We can't say?"

Modifié par Lokanaiya, 29 juin 2012 - 05:17 .

[Rifneno]

jgibson14352 wrote...

already done.

Huh, one that's unlocked.  Nice.  But you read that and earlier you told us matter-of-factly that they told us they wouldn't release anymore ending DLC?  How do you still believe a word they say?  I'm not sure I'd believe them if they told me fire is hot.