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#33976
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Rifneno wrote...
I love it.  Before release it was all "we'll give you closure and resolution, answers to everything."  After release we all go "What the nazara was that?!  Did the ending even really happen?!" and they just let out a demonic chortle, pet a black cat, and tell us to speculate.


Then the EC comes out promising closure and clarity, and we get very little closure and even more confusion.

A few of us come up with ideas as to what's really going on.  Others laugh at us because they don't think Bioware is smart enough to come up with those ideas, while continuing to praise them for the new paint job endings.

<_<

Yeah.

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Lokanaiya wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

 I just received over Xbox LIVE a message from the gamertag BioWareDev7, who is Jos Hendriks, a designer for Mass Effect 2 and 3. i asked him if there would be any post-reaper dlc that expanded on shepards story, and this was the ambiguous return message, im quoting directly "I cannot give you an answer to that question, sorry. :)" it wasnt a direct no, like what was stated by Tully Ackland here, so at least its something. i know this really isnt anything, but the thread slowed down, so whats the harm?


Very interesting... Don't want to get my hopes up too much, but, if that's true, it sounds very promising.... 

i garuntee its true, i can take a crappy webcam pic if youd like, or maybe itd be better if i just copy and paste from the xbox live website. if you want, lemme know, i just dont think its that necessary, who doesnt trust everybody on the internet?

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You all should take a look at this post that gives an alternate explanation for the apparent "F-you" that is the reject ending. Sure it's not the masterfully crafted IT that we all wanted but it makes a lot of sense and frankly allows me to make it through those terrible ending choices.

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Rifneno wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

already done.


Huh, one that's unlocked.  Nice.  But you read that and earlier you told us matter-of-factly that they told us they wouldn't release anymore ending DLC?  How do you still believe a word they say?  I'm not sure I'd believe them if they told me fire is hot.

i never said anything matter of factly, ive repeated several times that im just not sure, and that i still have faith. i did say that i was taking a post from tully ackland pretty seriously, and told andromidius id admit i was wrong in light of contradictory evidence, and there it is. i already said i was wrong, the only point i still try to make is that while what they say may not always be true, it still carries more weight and credibility than any of us. i dont think anybody could argue with that, but feel free.

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Lokanaiya

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Andromidius wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
I love it.  Before release it was all "we'll give you closure and resolution, answers to everything."  After release we all go "What the nazara was that?!  Did the ending even really happen?!" and they just let out a demonic chortle, pet a black cat, and tell us to speculate.


Then the EC comes out promising closure and clarity, and we get very little closure and even more confusion.

A few of us come up with ideas as to what's really going on.  Others laugh at us because they don't think Bioware is smart enough to come up with those ideas, while continuing to praise them for the new paint job endings.

<_<

Yeah.


I always tell those people that Revan, Baldur's Gate, and Mass Effect 1&2 say Hi. ^_^

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jgibson14352 wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

 I just received over Xbox LIVE a message from the gamertag BioWareDev7, who is Jos Hendriks, a designer for Mass Effect 2 and 3. i asked him if there would be any post-reaper dlc that expanded on shepards story, and this was the ambiguous return message, im quoting directly "I cannot give you an answer to that question, sorry. :)" it wasnt a direct no, like what was stated by Tully Ackland here, so at least its something. i know this really isnt anything, but the thread slowed down, so whats the harm?


Very interesting... Don't want to get my hopes up too much, but, if that's true, it sounds very promising.... 

i garuntee its true, i can take a crappy webcam pic if youd like, or maybe itd be better if i just copy and paste from the xbox live website. if you want, lemme know, i just dont think its that necessary, who doesnt trust everybody on the internet?


Nah, it's fine, I believe you and I better be getting to sleep anyways... XD

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 So guys is it a good thing or a bad thing that almost no one has an opinion on a theory?? Or is it just that no one know what their opinion is on it?? (Not talking about IT.)

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TJBartlemus wrote...

 So guys is it a good thing or a bad thing that almost no one has an opinion on a theory?? Or is it just that no one know what their opinion is on it?? (Not talking about IT.)


On a forum like this, it's a good thing. It usually means there is little to attack. 

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I really don't know what to believe now since EC. I'm feeling like the destroy ending is the one and only true ending. I'm keeping what little faith I have left in BioWare. I'm sure they still have more up their sleeve. 

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The Irish Man wrote...

I really don't know what to believe now since EC. I'm feeling like the destroy ending is the one and only true ending.


It's the only choice that stands true to the themes we've been shown throughout the entire trilogy. I reject the literal ending as a whole because it allows for "viable" choices that spit in the face of all the sacrifices, morals, and hard lessons we've gone through over the course of three games. 

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Rifneno

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HellishFiend wrote...

The Irish Man wrote...

I really don't know what to believe now since EC. I'm feeling like the destroy ending is the one and only true ending.


It's the only choice that stands true to the themes we've been shown throughout the entire trilogy. I reject the literal ending as a whole because it allows for "viable" choices that spit in the face of all the sacrifices, morals, and hard lessons we've gone through over the course of three games. 


My only problem with destroy is that Shepard survives.  I wouldn't want to survive having done that to EDI & the geth.  But I've got too damn much EMS from MP promotions. :unsure:

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Rifneno wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

The Irish Man wrote...

I really don't know what to believe now since EC. I'm feeling like the destroy ending is the one and only true ending.


It's the only choice that stands true to the themes we've been shown throughout the entire trilogy. I reject the literal ending as a whole because it allows for "viable" choices that spit in the face of all the sacrifices, morals, and hard lessons we've gone through over the course of three games. 


My only problem with destroy is that Shepard survives.  I wouldn't want to survive having done that to EDI & the geth.  But I've got too damn much EMS from MP promotions. :unsure:


Well in the literal interpretation sure. But if that ending were literal, Shepard sure as hell wouldnt survive. 

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well im signing off for the night, but i just want to say that what weve talked about in past several pages has rekindled my sense of hope in bioware, and made me believe even more in the possibility of more dlc pertaining to the ending, and has genuinely stopped me from shelving my collection of ME stuff, and thanks to everybody for that

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TJBartlemus

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I watched all the reject dialog and it definatly sounds something I would think someone that know they are being indoctrinated/ has enough will would say.



@Hellish Well, I guess that's good cause there are not much that is said about my WNT:EC, but those who have spoken said it's good. Just confused cause if it's good, why don't people talk about it. If it's bad why don't people hate on it? Currently there is no debate, so what's up? Maybe there is nothing to debate about?

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jgibson14352 wrote...

well im signing off for the night, but i just want to say that what weve talked about in past several pages has rekindled my sense of hope in bioware, and made me believe even more in the possibility of more dlc pertaining to the ending, and has genuinely stopped me from shelving my collection of ME stuff, and thanks to everybody for that


Glad to hear it. :)

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I have a .jpg with many of the old Twitter hints but I can't figure out how to post it without it showing up as code

Modifié par JTP117, 29 juin 2012 - 05:45 .


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TJBartlemus wrote...

I watched all the reject dialog and it definatly sounds something I would think someone that know they are being indoctrinated/ has enough will would say.



@Hellish Well, I guess that's good cause there are not much that is said about my WNT:EC, but those who have spoken said it's good. Just confused cause if it's good, why don't people talk about it. If it's bad why don't people hate on it? Currently there is no debate, so what's up? Maybe there is nothing to debate about?


It seems pretty thorough, and I remember mentioning that I felt something like that or close to that is probably the case starting from Cronos. But aside from that I dont have much else to say. It's a difficult subject to make points and counterpoints on since there is little in the realm of tangible support in either direction. So really anything is a valid theory in that regard. 

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JTP117 wrote...

I have a .jpg with many of the old Twitter hints but I can't figure out how to post it without it showing up as code


Yeah, have same problem. Cut/ Copy and paste seems to not work. Just easier to give the link.

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JTP117 wrote...

I have a .jpg with many of the old Twitter hints but I can't figure out how to post it without it showing up as code


put these [ img] with the code in between [ /img] no spaces.

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 29 juin 2012 - 05:47 .


#33995
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HellishFiend wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

I watched all the reject dialog and it definatly sounds something I would think someone that know they are being indoctrinated/ has enough will would say.



@Hellish Well, I guess that's good cause there are not much that is said about my WNT:EC, but those who have spoken said it's good. Just confused cause if it's good, why don't people talk about it. If it's bad why don't people hate on it? Currently there is no debate, so what's up? Maybe there is nothing to debate about?


It seems pretty thorough, and I remember mentioning that I felt something like that or close to that is probably the case starting from Cronos. But aside from that I dont have much else to say. It's a difficult subject to make points and counterpoints on since there is little in the realm of tangible support in either direction. So really anything is a valid theory in that regard. 


Thanks. Any ways to make it better? Or just keep it as it is?

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HellishFiend wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

The Irish Man wrote...

I really don't know what to believe now since EC. I'm feeling like the destroy ending is the one and only true ending.


It's the only choice that stands true to the themes we've been shown throughout the entire trilogy. I reject the literal ending as a whole because it allows for "viable" choices that spit in the face of all the sacrifices, morals, and hard lessons we've gone through over the course of three games. 


My only problem with destroy is that Shepard survives.  I wouldn't want to survive having done that to EDI & the geth.  But I've got too damn much EMS from MP promotions. :unsure:


Well in the literal interpretation sure. But if that ending were literal, Shepard sure as hell wouldnt survive. 


True.  I forgot to add that "literal" part hehe.

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TJBartlemus wrote...

Thanks. Any ways to make it better? Or just keep it as it is?


Seems to me like you've laid out your thoughts on the theory fairly well. Probly dont need to mess with it unless you feel like adding to it. 

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Hello all, de-lurking in light of the EC. 

TJBartlemus wrote...

I
watched all the reject dialog and it definatly sounds something I would
think someone that know they are being indoctrinated/ has enough will
would say.



 


I chose the refusal dialogue options out of curiousity, and that speech gave me so much hope at first...

Shep's gradual strength in the verbal rejection
reminds me of how she confidentally strides when shooting the destroy
option. Interesting reject and destroy are 'renegade' options whereas
synthesis is paragon blue and synthesis is some swell self-aware husk
action.

Also, in regards to her sudden physical abilities
returning (i.e running/brisk walking for synthesis and destroy) did
anyone notice how all that grotesque blood running down her arms
magically disappears when talking to the catalyst. lolwut

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Hear me out guys.
What do we know about Crucible? Nothing, yes you heard me right NOTHING!!!
If IT is true and I believe it is, then what crucible does is Shepard's imagination Control=Tim, Synthesis=Saren and Destroy=Shepard. Simply another idea build on Shepard's memories.
What if Crucible is really just a weapon, huge EMP cannon that needs power source aka Citadel. Can't think any source larger than Citadel. And after Shepard wakes up in London ruble Crucible is still flying in space and it needs to be activated.
So yeah, maybe I missed something, but why everybody thinks that what Crucible does what it does in Shepard's mind. It was never build before, Protheans came close to completing it but never used it.
Thoughts?

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Okay guys it's time for me to got to bed

ME2 Biotic God : Yes sleep destroy the world later.