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Rifneno wrote...
Hmm. Here's an out of the box though. People have suggested that the Crucible may create a colossal mass accelerator cannon, right? Who's to say no race ever completed it? We only know they didn't beat the Reapers with it. Maybe an early Crucible is responsible for the "mass accelerator round of unimaginable destructive power" that ripped Klendagon a new emergency induction port and speared that derelict Reaper?
iHorizons wrote...
The EC debunks the IT
Arian Dynas wrote...
Uh dude...
That's the little tidbit the theory was born out of.
Guest_Sareth Cousland_*
spotlessvoid wrote...
I love how Starchild, a sentient entity, compares itself to inanimate fire.
The EC may have fleshed things out a little, but synthesis, the choice Starchild is pushing, is still ridiculous. They tried it before but organics weren't ready? Whatever space magic is in play only works if the organic initiating the crucible is willing? It can't be forced unless one organic gives permission?
Sareth Cousland wrote...
spotlessvoid wrote...
I love how Starchild, a sentient entity, compares itself to inanimate fire.
The EC may have fleshed things out a little, but synthesis, the choice Starchild is pushing, is still ridiculous. They tried it before but organics weren't ready? Whatever space magic is in play only works if the organic initiating the crucible is willing? It can't be forced unless one organic gives permission?
Whow ... wait a minute. Forget the literal nonsense for a minute. Remember how Miranda made it a point that TIM wanted the real Commander Shepard, not a tool to be controlled?
What if Harbinger wants the same and wants Shepard to become a reaper willingly, to preserve as much of Shepard's character in the Reaper Harbinger creates with him? Synthesis is what the Reapers want for the universe, and the pinnacle of evolution - to them - is a Reaper. A Shepard with high EMS is a worthy adversary, and so Harbinger would want him to subscribe to his ideals (even though he does not make the consequences of Synthesis entirely clear). A Shepard choosing control is simply indoctrinated as he believes he can control the reapers, but "you don't control them - they control you" (Anderson). In both cases, I believe Shepard becomes part of the Human Reaper (for Control, the CE handbook says that he becomes a Reaper). What do you think?
Sareth Cousland wrote...
spotlessvoid wrote...
I love how Starchild, a sentient entity, compares itself to inanimate fire.
The EC may have fleshed things out a little, but synthesis, the choice Starchild is pushing, is still ridiculous. They tried it before but organics weren't ready? Whatever space magic is in play only works if the organic initiating the crucible is willing? It can't be forced unless one organic gives permission?
Whow ... wait a minute. Forget the literal nonsense for a minute. Remember how Miranda made it a point that TIM wanted the real Commander Shepard, not a tool to be controlled?
What if Harbinger wants the same and wants Shepard to become a reaper willingly, to preserve as much of Shepard's character in the Reaper Harbinger creates with him? Synthesis is what the Reapers want for the universe, and the pinnacle of evolution - to them - is a Reaper. A Shepard with high EMS is a worthy adversary, and so Harbinger would want him to subscribe to his ideals (even though he does not make the consequences of Synthesis entirely clear). A Shepard choosing control is simply indoctrinated as he believes he can control the reapers, but "you don't control them - they control you" (Anderson). In both cases, I believe Shepard becomes part of the Human Reaper (for Control, the CE handbook says that he becomes a Reaper). What do you think?
Sareth Cousland wrote...
spotlessvoid wrote...
Boring...
Whow ... wait a minute. Forget the literal nonsense for a minute. Remember how Miranda made it a point that TIM wanted the real Commander Shepard, not a tool to be controlled?
What if Harbinger wants the same and wants Shepard to become a reaper willingly, to preserve as much of Shepard's character in the Reaper Harbinger creates with him? Synthesis is what the Reapers want for the universe, and the pinnacle of evolution - to them - is a Reaper. A Shepard with high EMS is a worthy adversary, and so Harbinger would want him to subscribe to his ideals (even though he does not make the consequences of Synthesis entirely clear). A Shepard choosing control is simply indoctrinated as he believes he can control the reapers, but "you don't control them - they control you" (Anderson). In both cases, I believe Shepard becomes part of the Human Reaper (for Control, the CE handbook says that he becomes a Reaper). What do you think?
FellishBeast wrote...
Sareth Cousland wrote...
spotlessvoid wrote...
I love how Starchild, a sentient entity, compares itself to inanimate fire.
The EC may have fleshed things out a little, but synthesis, the choice Starchild is pushing, is still ridiculous. They tried it before but organics weren't ready? Whatever space magic is in play only works if the organic initiating the crucible is willing? It can't be forced unless one organic gives permission?
Whow ... wait a minute. Forget the literal nonsense for a minute. Remember how Miranda made it a point that TIM wanted the real Commander Shepard, not a tool to be controlled?
What if Harbinger wants the same and wants Shepard to become a reaper willingly, to preserve as much of Shepard's character in the Reaper Harbinger creates with him? Synthesis is what the Reapers want for the universe, and the pinnacle of evolution - to them - is a Reaper. A Shepard with high EMS is a worthy adversary, and so Harbinger would want him to subscribe to his ideals (even though he does not make the consequences of Synthesis entirely clear). A Shepard choosing control is simply indoctrinated as he believes he can control the reapers, but "you don't control them - they control you" (Anderson). In both cases, I believe Shepard becomes part of the Human Reaper (for Control, the CE handbook says that he becomes a Reaper). What do you think?
I have no idea who you are, but that is the best explanation for how EMS affects your options at the end according to IT I've ever heard.
I think we wound up exhausting almost all the various permutations of the idea, so it hasnt been brought up lately. But yes, it is a very sound theory that is probably very close to the truth.
FellishBeast wrote...
Sareth Cousland wrote...
spotlessvoid wrote...
I love how Starchild, a sentient entity, compares itself to inanimate fire.
The EC may have fleshed things out a little, but synthesis, the choice Starchild is pushing, is still ridiculous. They tried it before but organics weren't ready? Whatever space magic is in play only works if the organic initiating the crucible is willing? It can't be forced unless one organic gives permission?
Whow ... wait a minute. Forget the literal nonsense for a minute. Remember how Miranda made it a point that TIM wanted the real Commander Shepard, not a tool to be controlled?
What if Harbinger wants the same and wants Shepard to become a reaper willingly, to preserve as much of Shepard's character in the Reaper Harbinger creates with him? Synthesis is what the Reapers want for the universe, and the pinnacle of evolution - to them - is a Reaper. A Shepard with high EMS is a worthy adversary, and so Harbinger would want him to subscribe to his ideals (even though he does not make the consequences of Synthesis entirely clear). A Shepard choosing control is simply indoctrinated as he believes he can control the reapers, but "you don't control them - they control you" (Anderson). In both cases, I believe Shepard becomes part of the Human Reaper (for Control, the CE handbook says that he becomes a Reaper). What do you think?
I have no idea who you are, but that is the best explanation for how EMS affects your options at the end according to IT I've ever heard.
Eryri wrote...
Apologies if you've discussed this before, but did you manage to work out what Harbinger says just before the beam?
To me it definitely sounds like "Serve us", but that could be because I was expecting to hear that. It could also be "Save us". Both of which would have interesting implications.
HellishFiend wrote...
FellishBeast wrote...
Sareth Cousland wrote...
spotlessvoid wrote...
I love how Starchild, a sentient entity, compares itself to inanimate fire.
The EC may have fleshed things out a little, but synthesis, the choice Starchild is pushing, is still ridiculous. They tried it before but organics weren't ready? Whatever space magic is in play only works if the organic initiating the crucible is willing? It can't be forced unless one organic gives permission?
Whow ... wait a minute. Forget the literal nonsense for a minute. Remember how Miranda made it a point that TIM wanted the real Commander Shepard, not a tool to be controlled?
What if Harbinger wants the same and wants Shepard to become a reaper willingly, to preserve as much of Shepard's character in the Reaper Harbinger creates with him? Synthesis is what the Reapers want for the universe, and the pinnacle of evolution - to them - is a Reaper. A Shepard with high EMS is a worthy adversary, and so Harbinger would want him to subscribe to his ideals (even though he does not make the consequences of Synthesis entirely clear). A Shepard choosing control is simply indoctrinated as he believes he can control the reapers, but "you don't control them - they control you" (Anderson). In both cases, I believe Shepard becomes part of the Human Reaper (for Control, the CE handbook says that he becomes a Reaper). What do you think?
I have no idea who you are, but that is the best explanation for how EMS affects your options at the end according to IT I've ever heard.
Ideas like that have floated around in various incarnations since the very beginning.
I don't think it's a MAC. I think that's simple enough that the team working on it would have figured it out. Then again, they missed how it was simply a power source?Arian Dynas wrote...
Rifneno wrote...
Hmm. Here's an out of the box though. People have suggested that the Crucible may create a colossal mass accelerator cannon, right? Who's to say no race ever completed it? We only know they didn't beat the Reapers with it. Maybe an early Crucible is responsible for the "mass accelerator round of unimaginable destructive power" that ripped Klendagon a new emergency induction port and speared that derelict Reaper?
Uh dude...
That's the little tidbit the theory was born out of.
Guest_Sareth Cousland_*
Sareth Cousland wrote...
I should stop lurking so much and contribute more to the discussion it appears... ;-) Thanks for the kind words guys. Glad you like it.
BansheeOwnage wrote...
I don't think it's a MAC. I think that's simple enough that the team working on it would have figured it out. Then again, they missed how it was simply a power source?Arian Dynas wrote...
Rifneno wrote...
Hmm. Here's an out of the box though. People have suggested that the Crucible may create a colossal mass accelerator cannon, right? Who's to say no race ever completed it? We only know they didn't beat the Reapers with it. Maybe an early Crucible is responsible for the "mass accelerator round of unimaginable destructive power" that ripped Klendagon a new emergency induction port and speared that derelict Reaper?
Uh dude...
That's the little tidbit the theory was born out of.
Guest_Sareth Cousland_*
JezuzGumball wrote...
I'm sure you all have seen this, but every time I see it, it stengthens my faith in IT.
I've come to terms that IT isn't the intended ending after EC, but seeing this again always makes me question the endings.
http://img.gawkerass...ng/original.png
Sorry to burst your barrier, but I think that was debunked. :/JezuzGumball wrote...
I'm sure you all have seen this, but every time I see it, it stengthens my faith in IT.
I've come to terms that IT isn't the intended ending after EC, but seeing this again always makes me question the endings.
http://img.gawkerass...ng/original.png
JezuzGumball wrote...
I'm sure you all have seen this, but every time I see it, it stengthens my faith in IT.
I've come to terms that IT isn't the intended ending after EC, but seeing this again always makes me question the endings.
http://img.gawkerass...ng/original.png
:ph34r:
Modifié par HellishFiend, 29 juin 2012 - 07:04 .
HellishFiend wrote...
Eryri wrote...
Apologies if you've discussed this before, but did you manage to work out what Harbinger says just before the beam?
To me it definitely sounds like "Serve us", but that could be because I was expecting to hear that. It could also be "Save us". Both of which would have interesting implications.
I hear "serve us" on that last bit, but it's hard to draw any conclusions from it.
Modifié par Eryri, 29 juin 2012 - 07:07 .
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