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HellishFiend wrote...
So... I got bored and made this.
...yeah.
Arian Dynas wrote...
Rifneno wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
That's it.
That's the answer, the Crucible is meant to start up and power the mass Relay built into the Citadel, which also acts as an energy source for the Reapers themselves, the Crucible is destroyed every cycle, while the Citadel remains constant.
The Crucible is not a superweapon of any kind.
But that doesn't stop it from being made into one.
That is the storyline soloution, we need to hotwire the Crucible, disable the "requires another endpoint to fire" bit and voila.
One gigantic mass accelerator cannon.
A convention superweapon of thus far unprecedented size.
Kamakazi ships at FTL > All.
... All.
That's EXACTLY what it is, what would it use as ammunition? Asteroids, ships, debris, whatever's on hand at the time.
Shattering the Reapers with their own armada.
The explanation of course being "Hey, you wanna put in that safety feature that makes it so it doesn't power up if something is in the way?
"Nah, we're the only ones who'll ever use it."
Using a mass relay as a weapon, other than a bomb.
Rifneno wrote...
plfranke wrote...
The problem is that Harbinger switches in between I and we. As does the catalyst. Examples from Harbinger "We are Harbinger" "MY attacks will tear you apart" "I will direct this personally" Examples from the catalyst "The Reapers are MINE. I control them." "But WE found a way to stop that from happening."Rifneno wrote...
Hmm. You know what's interesting? Harbinger refers to itself as a gestalt intelligence. "We are Harbinger." Sovereign refers to itself a singular intelligence. "I am the vanguard of your destruction." Not just those two sentences either, it's a pattern. With both of them.
Opps, you're right. I forgot about those. My bad. I guess Harby just has some kind of identity issues. ... My money's on gender identity issues. Harby strikes me as the "woman trapped in a man's body" kind.Starbuck8 wrote...
Lol yeah, it sounded so wrong when I wrote it, I had to leave it
Yeah, we had some fun with that kind of pun a month or two ago. People were speculating that maybe the beam doesn't lead into the Citadel, maybe it leads into Harbinger to become indoctrinated. I could just picture Harbinger mowing down all those red shirts trying to make it to the beam with Shepard and thinking, "No! None of you are worthy! I only want Shepard inside of me!"
... Boy, I'm really ripping into poor Harby today aren't I.Salient Archer wrote...
I like you. You need to post more often.
Agreed. That was an excellent post.
As for refusal, yeah, we're still... well when the literalists ask us about it, we just do our best Legion impression and say "We are currently building consensus. Please ask again later."
FellishBeast wrote...
Rifneno wrote...
Kamakazi ships at FTL > All.
... All.
That's almost as lame as flying eagles to Mount Doom.
Starbuck8 wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
So... I got bored and made this.
...yeah.
Lol that's awesome! I was thinking of something like this when you posted the original the other day
Modifié par HellishFiend, 29 juin 2012 - 09:31 .
Rifneno wrote...
FellishBeast wrote...
Rifneno wrote...
Kamakazi ships at FTL > All.
... All.
That's almost as lame as flying eagles to Mount Doom.
Versus your idea of... Oh right.
Modifié par FellishBeast, 29 juin 2012 - 09:32 .
Arian Dynas wrote...
BleedingUranium wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
I'm currently in the camp that says "Destroy is Shepard sticking to his guns and choosing to slog on with what was his original motive from the beginning, since he has the stones to keep fighting, even if he has to sacrifice some things."
Rejection, well that's Shepard trying to play Captain Kirk, choosing not to stick to what he has been going for since the beginning since something unappealing was tacked on, but not completely breaking and going over to Control and remaining canny enough not to be tricked by Synthesis, basically demanding a third option, only to discover there isn't one.
In "Reject" Shepard is canny and wise enough not to fall for indoctrination, but not determined enough to break free, and so Harbinger kills him.
I support this fully, especially when the camera pans away from Shep standing in the Reject ending, it seems very... lonely? Abandoned? Kind just stuck in limbo as it were.
To me Reject is to Destroy what the standard Paragon option is to the Charm option. You're going make the same point, but much less convincing or awesomely, and it doesn't really work.
This remains my personal take on the subject of "Refuse"
Arian Dynas wrote...
Well, here's my opinion on how "Refuse" works (also, can we finally decide on a name? Is it Refuse or Reject?)Arian Dynas wrote...
BleedingUranium wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
I'm currently in the camp that says "Destroy is Shepard sticking to his guns and choosing to slog on with what was his original motive from the beginning, since he has the stones to keep fighting, even if he has to sacrifice some things."
Rejection, well that's Shepard trying to play Captain Kirk, choosing not to stick to what he has been going for since the beginning since something unappealing was tacked on, but not completely breaking and going over to Control and remaining canny enough not to be tricked by Synthesis, basically demanding a third option, only to discover there isn't one.
In "Reject" Shepard is canny and wise enough not to fall for indoctrination, but not determined enough to break free, and so Harbinger kills him.
I support this fully, especially when the camera pans away from Shep standing in the Reject ending, it seems very... lonely? Abandoned? Kind just stuck in limbo as it were.
To me Reject is to Destroy what the standard Paragon option is to the Charm option. You're going make the same point, but much less convincing or awesomely, and it doesn't really work.
This remains my personal take on the subject of "Refuse"
FellishBeast wrote...
I think I like the current endings better than that idea.
Maybe it's the whole Pearl Harbor thing or something...just seems dirty. I wouldn't classify it as "conventional," anyways.
FellishBeast wrote...
Rifneno wrote...
FellishBeast wrote...
Rifneno wrote...
Kamakazi ships at FTL > All.
... All.
That's almost as lame as flying eagles to Mount Doom.
Versus your idea of... Oh right.
I think I like the current endings better than that idea.
Maybe it's the whole Pearl Harbor thing or something...just seems dirty. I wouldn't classify it as "conventional," anyways.
Rifneno wrote...
FellishBeast wrote...
I think I like the current endings better than that idea.
Maybe it's the whole Pearl Harbor thing or something...just seems dirty. I wouldn't classify it as "conventional," anyways.
Well, at least you took the time to read it.
FellishBeast wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
Well, here's my opinion on how "Refuse" works (also, can we finally decide on a name? Is it Refuse or Reject?)Arian Dynas wrote...
BleedingUranium wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
I'm currently in the camp that says "Destroy is Shepard sticking to his guns and choosing to slog on with what was his original motive from the beginning, since he has the stones to keep fighting, even if he has to sacrifice some things."
Rejection, well that's Shepard trying to play Captain Kirk, choosing not to stick to what he has been going for since the beginning since something unappealing was tacked on, but not completely breaking and going over to Control and remaining canny enough not to be tricked by Synthesis, basically demanding a third option, only to discover there isn't one.
In "Reject" Shepard is canny and wise enough not to fall for indoctrination, but not determined enough to break free, and so Harbinger kills him.
I support this fully, especially when the camera pans away from Shep standing in the Reject ending, it seems very... lonely? Abandoned? Kind just stuck in limbo as it were.
To me Reject is to Destroy what the standard Paragon option is to the Charm option. You're going make the same point, but much less convincing or awesomely, and it doesn't really work.
This remains my personal take on the subject of "Refuse"
I believe it is the "SOBE" ending.
FellishBeast wrote...
Starbuck8 wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
Auralius Carolus wrote...
Turbo_J wrote...
Fine: 'Ship Yard'
That better?
Hmmmmmm... That's gotten me thinking. What is one of the big mysteries about the Reapers, that was expounded during both ME1 and ME2? Their power source. The Protheans thought they retreated to Dark Space to hybernate, safely, and conserve power. And, likewise, all of their devices: The Citadel, the Relays- no one knows how they stay powered.
And what is the Crucible? A massive power source that is intended to dish out a HUGE amount of energy, utilizing both the Citadel and the Relays and is intended to affect all of the Reapers. And what really pisses off the Star Child? Refusing to use it... while the Reapers suspiciously ignore it and oddly failed to stop it over millions of years.
What if that thing really was left, intentionally, by the Reapers? Not as a weapon, but as a massive generator of some sorts, that would allow them to continue their centuries-long harvesting without stop, while also recharging their heirlooms for the next cycle? One final test and trap...
Just a little creative thinking, but it is a thought...
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OOOH I LIKE THAT ONE! :happy:
Yeah, that's an interesting idea.
Oh wow...I skipped over that a few times and just now read it. Wow. That's sort of mind-blowing. I'm sure there are flaws in the idea, but the premise makes a lot of sense. That would...wow. Great going!
Bivo wrote...
FellishBeast wrote...
Starbuck8 wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
Auralius Carolus wrote...
Turbo_J wrote...
Fine: 'Ship Yard'
That better?
Hmmmmmm... That's gotten me thinking. What is one of the big mysteries about the Reapers, that was expounded during both ME1 and ME2? Their power source. The Protheans thought they retreated to Dark Space to hybernate, safely, and conserve power. And, likewise, all of their devices: The Citadel, the Relays- no one knows how they stay powered.
And what is the Crucible? A massive power source that is intended to dish out a HUGE amount of energy, utilizing both the Citadel and the Relays and is intended to affect all of the Reapers. And what really pisses off the Star Child? Refusing to use it... while the Reapers suspiciously ignore it and oddly failed to stop it over millions of years.
What if that thing really was left, intentionally, by the Reapers? Not as a weapon, but as a massive generator of some sorts, that would allow them to continue their centuries-long harvesting without stop, while also recharging their heirlooms for the next cycle? One final test and trap...
Just a little creative thinking, but it is a thought...
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OOOH I LIKE THAT ONE! :happy:
Yeah, that's an interesting idea.
Oh wow...I skipped over that a few times and just now read it. Wow. That's sort of mind-blowing. I'm sure there are flaws in the idea, but the premise makes a lot of sense. That would...wow. Great going!
If the plan for the Crucible comes from the Reapers, why do they need a bunch of barely evolved monkeys to build it ?
FellishBeast wrote...
Rifneno wrote...
FellishBeast wrote...
I think I like the current endings better than that idea.
Maybe it's the whole Pearl Harbor thing or something...just seems dirty. I wouldn't classify it as "conventional," anyways.
Well, at least you took the time to read it.
**** you, sir.
FellishBeast wrote...
Bivo wrote...
FellishBeast wrote...
Starbuck8 wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
Auralius Carolus wrote...
Turbo_J wrote...
Fine: 'Ship Yard'
That better?
Hmmmmmm... That's gotten me thinking. What is one of the big mysteries about the Reapers, that was expounded during both ME1 and ME2? Their power source. The Protheans thought they retreated to Dark Space to hybernate, safely, and conserve power. And, likewise, all of their devices: The Citadel, the Relays- no one knows how they stay powered.
And what is the Crucible? A massive power source that is intended to dish out a HUGE amount of energy, utilizing both the Citadel and the Relays and is intended to affect all of the Reapers. And what really pisses off the Star Child? Refusing to use it... while the Reapers suspiciously ignore it and oddly failed to stop it over millions of years.
What if that thing really was left, intentionally, by the Reapers? Not as a weapon, but as a massive generator of some sorts, that would allow them to continue their centuries-long harvesting without stop, while also recharging their heirlooms for the next cycle? One final test and trap...
Just a little creative thinking, but it is a thought...
...
OOOH I LIKE THAT ONE! :happy:
Yeah, that's an interesting idea.
Oh wow...I skipped over that a few times and just now read it. Wow. That's sort of mind-blowing. I'm sure there are flaws in the idea, but the premise makes a lot of sense. That would...wow. Great going!
If the plan for the Crucible comes from the Reapers, why do they need a bunch of barely evolved monkeys to build it ?
Because they are sleeping.
Rifneno wrote...
FellishBeast wrote...
Rifneno wrote...
FellishBeast wrote...
I think I like the current endings better than that idea.
Maybe it's the whole Pearl Harbor thing or something...just seems dirty. I wouldn't classify it as "conventional," anyways.
Well, at least you took the time to read it.
**** you, sir.
What was that? I was busy writing stuff as lame as that Tolkien guy.
Arian Dynas wrote...
FellishBeast wrote...
Bivo wrote...
FellishBeast wrote...
Starbuck8 wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
Auralius Carolus wrote...
Turbo_J wrote...
Fine: 'Ship Yard'
That better?
Hmmmmmm... That's gotten me thinking. What is one of the big mysteries about the Reapers, that was expounded during both ME1 and ME2? Their power source. The Protheans thought they retreated to Dark Space to hybernate, safely, and conserve power. And, likewise, all of their devices: The Citadel, the Relays- no one knows how they stay powered.
And what is the Crucible? A massive power source that is intended to dish out a HUGE amount of energy, utilizing both the Citadel and the Relays and is intended to affect all of the Reapers. And what really pisses off the Star Child? Refusing to use it... while the Reapers suspiciously ignore it and oddly failed to stop it over millions of years.
What if that thing really was left, intentionally, by the Reapers? Not as a weapon, but as a massive generator of some sorts, that would allow them to continue their centuries-long harvesting without stop, while also recharging their heirlooms for the next cycle? One final test and trap...
Just a little creative thinking, but it is a thought...
...
OOOH I LIKE THAT ONE! :happy:
Yeah, that's an interesting idea.
Oh wow...I skipped over that a few times and just now read it. Wow. That's sort of mind-blowing. I'm sure there are flaws in the idea, but the premise makes a lot of sense. That would...wow. Great going!
If the plan for the Crucible comes from the Reapers, why do they need a bunch of barely evolved monkeys to build it ?
Because they are sleeping.
They don't.
Well, the sort of do, but in our case whether we do it ourselves in a misguided thought that it's a superweapon capable of saving us, rather than having to wait until our entire species is harvested, sterillized, implanted and indoctrinated like the Collectors makes no difference to them, to them, we're just hastening our own demise.
Why not use BioWares name for it: Opt Out.Arian Dynas wrote...
Well, here's my opinion on how "Refuse" works (also, can we finally decide on a name? Is it Refuse or Reject?)Arian Dynas wrote...
BleedingUranium wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
I'm currently in the camp that says "Destroy is Shepard sticking to his guns and choosing to slog on with what was his original motive from the beginning, since he has the stones to keep fighting, even if he has to sacrifice some things."
Rejection, well that's Shepard trying to play Captain Kirk, choosing not to stick to what he has been going for since the beginning since something unappealing was tacked on, but not completely breaking and going over to Control and remaining canny enough not to be tricked by Synthesis, basically demanding a third option, only to discover there isn't one.
In "Reject" Shepard is canny and wise enough not to fall for indoctrination, but not determined enough to break free, and so Harbinger kills him.
I support this fully, especially when the camera pans away from Shep standing in the Reject ending, it seems very... lonely? Abandoned? Kind just stuck in limbo as it were.
To me Reject is to Destroy what the standard Paragon option is to the Charm option. You're going make the same point, but much less convincing or awesomely, and it doesn't really work.
This remains my personal take on the subject of "Refuse"
Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 29 juin 2012 - 09:51 .
Salient Archer wrote...
@Fellish: not only this but it wastes our time and resources doing it and fatigues our forces. It's like the ultimate middle finger.
FellishBeast wrote...
Oh, but Tolkien never wrote that, which was my point. :happy:
Perhaps I don't get the concept, but it just seems like one of those things you could do in reality but you just don't do in a story.
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