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[Xavendithas]

comrade gando wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

So I'm going to bring this up again and again until it gets picked up. =P

Did anyone notice they changed the model of the London beacon structure to have these curvy parts that look exactly like the one we found in the breath scene?

That is huge for IT.

What curvy parts?

That metallic circle.

No the circle around it was there before.

uhh this doesn't look good. I may be seeing things but it certainly looks like those mysterious piles of bodies are now already there before shepard gets hit now with the lazer...

They were always visible on the run up to the beam. This did not change.

[Dwailing]

Xavendithas wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

So I'm going to bring this up again and again until it gets picked up. =P

Did anyone notice they changed the model of the London beacon structure to have these curvy parts that look exactly like the one we found in the breath scene?

That is huge for IT.

What curvy parts?

That metallic circle.

No the circle around it was there before.

uhh this doesn't look good. I may be seeing things but it certainly looks like those mysterious piles of bodies are now already there before shepard gets hit now with the lazer...

They were always visible on the run up to the beam. This did not change.

Still, WHAT they look like is still a clue for IT, IMHO.  The fact that the piles are made out of nothing but Virmire Ashleys and Kaidans still seems pretty weird.  I'm beginning to wonder if the Waking Nightmare Hypothesis might actually deserve the term theory.

Modifié par Dwailing, 29 juin 2012 - 02:17 .

[Dwailing]

So, anyone around?

[paxxton]

I am.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Me too

[Rifneno]

Dwailing wrote...

You know, I just heard someone compare the Paragon Control Ending to Shepard becoming Space Batman. Only problem with that is Batman doesn't scare the crap out of m... wait, come to think of it, he kind of DOES. Never mind.

Haven't we been through this? Batman is an emo tool and thousands of people die because he doesn't have the testicular fortitude to just snap the necks of enemies like the Joker.

Also, paragon control Shepard doesn't become Space Batman. He becomes the same thing renegade control Shepard becomes. Indoctrinated.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Well at least the EC didn't debunk IT.

They went with what I first assumed they would do: leaving it ambiguous, while explaining away the -real- (unintentional) plotholes.

[Xavendithas]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Joedogg9999 wrote...

Has anyone pointed out that the stargazer scene is a stolen art image from a metal band? The art was used on their song on youtube uploaded before me3 cameout. The song is titled "starchild" and the lyrics are about indoctrination.

Wait! What? Have you got a link?

The image is an image from deviantArt and added by the one who uploaded the video. This is the original album art:

I just saw this an nearly spilled my coffee. Wintersun

God damn, when will they ever release a new album?

Sorry, forget I said anything...back to speculations.

[Dwailing]

Rifneno wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

You know, I just heard someone compare the Paragon Control Ending to Shepard becoming Space Batman. Only problem with that is Batman doesn't scare the crap out of m... wait, come to think of it, he kind of DOES. Never mind.

Haven't we been through this? Batman is an emo tool and thousands of people die because he doesn't have the testicular fortitude to just snap the necks of enemies like the Joker.

Also, paragon control Shepard doesn't become Space Batman. He becomes the same thing renegade control Shepard becomes. Indoctrinated.

If he just killed the Joker, life would be awefully boring.   And it's not ALWAYS Batman's fault that the Joker comes back.  That son of a shisno has come back from the dead so many times that he has a TROPE named after him.  Joker Immunity.  

On your other point, I agree completely.  I'm just saying what the other guy said.

[Lokanaiya]

I just realized something: On Cronos EDI says that she was the Luna VI, right? Well, later, in the London farewells, EDI says something to the effect of "When the Illusive Man ordered my creation years ago..." and, even weirder, Shepard doesn't act like anything's up. This means that either London or Cronos was being partly hallucinated, and I'm leaning towards Cronos for that specific one, since EDI tells you when you first meet her she was made with parts from Sovereign (two inconsisities there) but never said she was the Luna VI? Wouldn't having parts of Reaper in her be creepier than being the Luna VI? Not to mention it would have been a good oppurtunity to teach more lessons about AIs not being inherently evil... Something's fishy here.

And, slightly branching off, was I the only one who got weird vibes from the QEC in London? So many things about it, the location, how many people were out of character, how they just happened to be there instantly when you called them, even the operator himself seemed off...

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Lokanaiya wrote...

I just realized something: On Cronos EDI says that she was the Luna VI, right? Well, later, in the London farewells, EDI says something to the effect of "When the Illusive Man ordered my creation years ago..." and, even weirder, Shepard doesn't act like anything's up. This means that either London or Cronos was being partly hallucinated, and I'm leaning towards Cronos for that specific one, since EDI tells you when you first meet her she was made with parts from Sovereign (two inconsisities there) but never said she was the Luna VI? Wouldn't having parts of Reaper in her be creepier than being the Luna VI? Not to mention it would have been a good oppurtunity to teach more lessons about AIs not being inherently evil... Something's fishy here.

And, slightly branching off, was I the only one who got weird vibes from the QEC in London? So many things about it, the location, how many people were out of character, how they just happened to be there instantly when you called them, even the operator himself seemed off...

EDI was a combination of the Luna VI and Reaper tech so in that regard Cerberus did create her.

[MegumiAzusa]

Lokanaiya wrote...

I just realized something: On Cronos EDI says that she was the Luna VI, right? Well, later, in the London farewells, EDI says something to the effect of "When the Illusive Man ordered my creation years ago..." and, even weirder, Shepard doesn't act like anything's up. This means that either London or Cronos was being partly hallucinated, and I'm leaning towards Cronos for that specific one, since EDI tells you when you first meet her she was made with parts from Sovereign (two inconsisities there) but never said she was the Luna VI? Wouldn't having parts of Reaper in her be creepier than being the Luna VI? Not to mention it would have been a good oppurtunity to teach more lessons about AIs not being inherently evil... Something's fishy here.

And, slightly branching off, was I the only one who got weird vibes from the QEC in London? So many things about it, the location, how many people were out of character, how they just happened to be there instantly when you called them, even the operator himself seemed off...

Why is there anything weird? The Luna AI thing was literally years ago.

[llbountyhunter]

Dwailing wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

So I'm going to bring this up again and again until it gets picked up. =P

Did anyone notice they changed the model of the London beacon structure to have these curvy parts that look exactly like the one we found in the breath scene?

That is huge for IT.

What curvy parts?

That metallic circle.

No the circle around it was there before.

uhh this doesn't look good. I may be seeing things but it certainly looks like those mysterious piles of bodies are now already there before shepard gets hit now with the lazer...

They were always visible on the run up to the beam. This did not change.

Still, WHAT they look like is still a clue for IT, IMHO.  The fact that the piles are made out of nothing but Virmire Ashleys and Kaidans still seems pretty weird.  I'm beginning to wonder if the Waking Nightmare Hypothesis might actually deserve the term theory.

Or we could just move the beggining of the hallucination to the shuttle crash....

*cough* points to  link in sig *cough*

[Turbo_J]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

insomniak9 wrote...

Something occurred to me again seeing those pictures;

Doesn't the Conduit Beam (the shiny Reaper beam) look almost too similar to the Crucibles Beam?

It also has the same connotations; I'm almost certain that it's mentioned the Beam is designed to beam organics aboard so they can be harvested, so if you jump into it, you will become Reaperificated (organic-synth hybrid) - This sounds a lot like Synthesis to me. The Reapers think they are the pinnacle of evolution. The Geth think a collective consciousness is the pinnacle of evolution. The Cataylst bangs on about synthesis being perfect.

It's. The. Same. Beam.

Mind = blown?

That idea was actually a big part of Arian's EC script.

This is backed up; although through interpretation, by a datapad in the FOB just past the Med soldier chatting with a civilian.

Modifié par Turbo_J, 29 juin 2012 - 02:48 .

[Lokanaiya]

Why wouldn't she mention it earlier though? Maybe during her character development throughout the rest of the game. A revelation like that would have had more impact and resulted in more character development earlier in the game, but at that point it's just an interesting tidbit and doesn't really matter.

[paxxton]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

So I'm going to bring this up again and again until it gets picked up. =P

Did anyone notice they changed the model of the London beacon structure to have these curvy parts that look exactly like the one we found in the breath scene?

That is huge for IT.

What curvy parts?

That metallic circle.

No the circle around it was there before.

uhh this doesn't look good. I may be seeing things but it certainly looks like those mysterious piles of bodies are now already there before shepard gets hit now with the lazer...

They were always visible on the run up to the beam. This did not change.

Still, WHAT they look like is still a clue for IT, IMHO.  The fact that the piles are made out of nothing but Virmire Ashleys and Kaidans still seems pretty weird.  I'm beginning to wonder if the Waking Nightmare Hypothesis might actually deserve the term theory.

Or we could just move the beggining of the hallucination to the shuttle crash....

*cough* points to  link in sig *cough*

It might make sense. Did you see how fast the Normandy shows up to evacuate the squadmates? Then Shepard sees them flying away safely while Harbinger observes.

Modifié par paxxton, 29 juin 2012 - 02:51 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Lokanaiya wrote...

Why wouldn't she mention it earlier though? Maybe during her character development throughout the rest of the game. A revelation like that would have had more impact and resulted in more character development earlier in the game, but at that point it's just an interesting tidbit and doesn't really matter.

Same reason she dident mention that Cerberus tried to regain control of the ship. She did not consider it important when there was so much else going on.

[MegumiAzusa]

Hum, it's interesting how similar it is when you get up and after the little chat with the Catalyst.
(Nothing visual as it's best to do a screen of both and then just switch between them in quick succession, tried it with transparency but the result isn't really good)
The Makos on your left and right side create a path that is exactly the width of the path you have at the Catalyst's. The beam lines up nicely (though the Crucible beam is further away, might be interesting to test if the distance lines up with the point where you got hit pre EC), Control and Destroy options are on top of the Reaper panels. The path that gets raised to the Synthesis is also starting at about the same point as the little bridge to the conduit beam.

[insomniak9]

I've been trying to find images to back this up, but compare these two.

The structure being destroyed in space is the last thing you see right before the Normandy leaves Earth in the first Chapter.

The second image shows the same structure leading up the sides of the pathway to the ending room with TIM & Anderson. 

Modifié par insomniak9, 29 juin 2012 - 03:08 .

[MegumiAzusa]

insomniak9 wrote...

https://dl.dropbox.c...60/1Capture.JPG

And what should this screen show or tell us?

[insomniak9]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

insomniak9 wrote...

https://dl.dropbox.c...60/1Capture.JPG

And what should this screen show or tell us?

Sorry, edited to contain full post 

[Turbo_J]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Hum, it's interesting how similar it is when you get up and after the little chat with the Catalyst.
(Nothing visual as it's best to do a screen of both and then just switch between them in quick succession, tried it with transparency but the result isn't really good)
The Makos on your left and right side create a path that is exactly the width of the path you have at the Catalyst's. The beam lines up nicely (though the Crucible beam is further away, might be interesting to test if the distance lines up with the point where you got hit pre EC), Control and Destroy options are on top of the Reaper panels. The path that gets raised to the Synthesis is also starting at about the same point as the little bridge to the conduit beam.

I'm starting to see this too; that Shep is there and the Citadel surroundings are a mental manifestation. The shock to him/her on the citadel is actually them waking up the first time waking up on the ground in London.

Given the distance to the decision chamber, could it be that the transport crash is where the full hallucination starts? It's the only way the Normandy pickup scene makes any sense.

From the transport crash to the ride up the beam is at the transport crash site.

From the revival 'shock' to the console is the trek from the crash site to the beam. The physical distance may not be the same but time passes differently in ones head.

Edit:

It would be worth checking the distance from the mako near miss and the original laser hit too, but I still can't see any of the beam run being reality - waking dream, yes but not full reality. I can get hit directly by harbie 2-3 times before the 'scripted' hit, and seeing the unlimited vehicles and soldiers. I know it's part of the 'scene intensity' mechanic, but is there a precedent for this anywhere else in the game? It's video-gamey. Something BW usually tried to avoid.

Modifié par Turbo_J, 29 juin 2012 - 03:19 .

[Xavendithas]

insomniak9 wrote...

I've been trying to find images to back this up, but compare these two.

The structure being destroyed in space is the last thing you see right before the Normandy leaves Earth in the first Chapter.

The second image shows the same structure leading up the sides of the pathway to the ending room with TIM & Anderson. 

I think the symbolism there syncs up well with the sounds you hear as you walk up into the chamber for the conversation with "Admiral" Anderson and TIM. I don't remember who it was, DJBare I think, that had taken the audio of the electrical currents in the chamber and just played them on YouTube with a blank screen and they sounded remarkably like gunfire.

[paxxton]

It's a wreckage of an Alliance dreadnought.

[insomniak9]

Bear in mind that this ramp leads directly out of the room which resembles the Shadow Brokers engine room. Can't find a decent image of that atm though