Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!
#34301
Posté 29 juin 2012 - 04:09
Was there a paragon interupt when talking to the reaper on ranoch?
#34302
Posté 29 juin 2012 - 04:10
Xavendithas wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
You know, I was thinking about what that sound could be, and I had a thought (Actually, this might have been the FIRST thought I had when I heard it.). It sounds kind of like a defibrillator. Now, we've not seen ANYTHING to suggest that Shepard's armor or implants contain one of these, so what I was thinking was maybe it's the ground forces in the real world trying to revive him.
That actually makes a lot of sense given how things from that point on are when the memories from past events/places seem to start influencing everything. Combine that with the way the electrical currents further down the hall way sound like gunfire and you could really be on to something.
It doesn't sound exactly like a defibrillator, but I can't think of anything else that it sounds like, except maybe the flashes between the sections of the Prothean vision on Eden Prime in ME1. Either one could have significance, TBH.
#34303
Posté 29 juin 2012 - 04:11
munnellyladt wrote...
Hey guys,i need to ask something that me support,that the starkid is lying.
Was there a paragon interupt when talking to the reaper on ranoch?
Uh, yes. Shepard basically says something to the effect of this, "Whatever race you came from, they're dead. They died a long time ago. And now they can rest in peace."
#34304
Posté 29 juin 2012 - 04:11
ThisOneIsPunny wrote...
The conduit, the one you use to get to the citadel. It apparently not only stays on, but stays on well into the epilogue when they show a rebuilt London HQ connecting to a rebuilt Citadel.
I saw this in my epilogue, and it really confused me. I have no idea what to make of the fact that the beam is still on and connecting London to the Citadel.
#34305
Posté 29 juin 2012 - 04:12
What if the reason why we get the breath ending in Destroy is because of Shepard's war assets are bying time for Shepard to wake up.
Think about it. The less war assets you have the chances of Shepard long enof to wake up from breaking Indoctrination are slim.
But if you have high assets your allies are bying Shepard time to wake up' because Harbinger is coming to kill Shepard before he wakes up, but is stalled by Shepards assets only if you have high EMS.
#34306
Posté 29 juin 2012 - 04:12
Dwailing wrote...
Xavendithas wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
You know, I was thinking about what that sound could be, and I had a thought (Actually, this might have been the FIRST thought I had when I heard it.). It sounds kind of like a defibrillator. Now, we've not seen ANYTHING to suggest that Shepard's armor or implants contain one of these, so what I was thinking was maybe it's the ground forces in the real world trying to revive him.
That actually makes a lot of sense given how things from that point on are when the memories from past events/places seem to start influencing everything. Combine that with the way the electrical currents further down the hall way sound like gunfire and you could really be on to something.
It doesn't sound exactly like a defibrillator, but I can't think of anything else that it sounds like, except maybe the flashes between the sections of the Prothean vision on Eden Prime in ME1. Either one could have significance, TBH.
Agreed. I still say the most important part of that scene is that "Admiral" Anderson makes his appearance at the exact moment Shepard is jolted back to awareness.
#34307
Posté 29 juin 2012 - 04:14
Xavendithas wrote...
ThisOneIsPunny wrote...
The conduit, the one you use to get to the citadel. It apparently not only stays on, but stays on well into the epilogue when they show a rebuilt London HQ connecting to a rebuilt Citadel.
I saw this in my epilogue, and it really confused me. I have no idea what to make of the fact that the beam is still on and connecting London to the Citadel.
Uh, maybe they're using it to ferry supplies to and from the Citadel while they rebuild. Not saying that it's the most brilliant idea (It's Reaper tech, go figure.), but that could be why they're using it.
#34308
Posté 29 juin 2012 - 04:15
Xavendithas wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
Xavendithas wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
You know, I was thinking about what that sound could be, and I had a thought (Actually, this might have been the FIRST thought I had when I heard it.). It sounds kind of like a defibrillator. Now, we've not seen ANYTHING to suggest that Shepard's armor or implants contain one of these, so what I was thinking was maybe it's the ground forces in the real world trying to revive him.
That actually makes a lot of sense given how things from that point on are when the memories from past events/places seem to start influencing everything. Combine that with the way the electrical currents further down the hall way sound like gunfire and you could really be on to something.
It doesn't sound exactly like a defibrillator, but I can't think of anything else that it sounds like, except maybe the flashes between the sections of the Prothean vision on Eden Prime in ME1. Either one could have significance, TBH.
Agreed. I still say the most important part of that scene is that "Admiral" Anderson makes his appearance at the exact moment Shepard is jolted back to awareness.
Yup, that's still the most important part of that scene. And listen, the exact moment that you hear Anderson for the first time is right before the weird sound. That seems to imply to me that there is something up with that sound.
#34309
Posté 29 juin 2012 - 04:16
Dwailing wrote...
Xavendithas wrote...
ThisOneIsPunny wrote...
The conduit, the one you use to get to the citadel. It apparently not only stays on, but stays on well into the epilogue when they show a rebuilt London HQ connecting to a rebuilt Citadel.
I saw this in my epilogue, and it really confused me. I have no idea what to make of the fact that the beam is still on and connecting London to the Citadel.
Uh, maybe they're using it to ferry supplies to and from the Citadel while they rebuild. Not saying that it's the most brilliant idea (It's Reaper tech, go figure.), but that could be why they're using it.
But if the explosion destroyed the reapers, it seems like it would have destroyed reaper tech. The Conduit shouldn't be working any longer.
I had forgotten about that part of my epilogue, I'm so confused now. lol
#34310
Posté 29 juin 2012 - 04:17
Dwailing wrote...
munnellyladt wrote...
Hey guys,i need to ask something that me support,that the starkid is lying.
Was there a paragon interupt when talking to the reaper on ranoch?
Uh, yes. Shepard basically says something to the effect of this, "Whatever race you came from, they're dead. They died a long time ago. And now they can rest in peace."
well anyway,i was just playing that a while ago and it is somewhat interesting.
the reaper just shuts himself off and doesn't even try to justify the reapers.
So something tells me they think that they don't care about the preservation of organics and rather just want to make themselves stronger.
If the godchild is not lying and controls the reapers then why doesn't he make the reaper explain why they do what they do?
#34311
Posté 29 juin 2012 - 04:22
Xavendithas wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
Xavendithas wrote...
ThisOneIsPunny wrote...
The conduit, the one you use to get to the citadel. It apparently not only stays on, but stays on well into the epilogue when they show a rebuilt London HQ connecting to a rebuilt Citadel.
I saw this in my epilogue, and it really confused me. I have no idea what to make of the fact that the beam is still on and connecting London to the Citadel.
Uh, maybe they're using it to ferry supplies to and from the Citadel while they rebuild. Not saying that it's the most brilliant idea (It's Reaper tech, go figure.), but that could be why they're using it.
But if the explosion destroyed the reapers, it seems like it would have destroyed reaper tech. The Conduit shouldn't be working any longer.
I had forgotten about that part of my epilogue, I'm so confused now. lol
Shepard does not know he/she destroyed the conduit (remember is was referred to as a BEACON by whats-her-face), so if this was in Sheps mind it makes sense that it could still be a useful item. Shep thinks of it as a transportation device so that's what it becomes. Something to make resotration of the Citadel easier. A mental rose garden touch to the ending.
#34312
Posté 29 juin 2012 - 04:24
Dwailing wrote...
Xavendithas wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
You know, I was thinking about what that sound could be, and I had a thought (Actually, this might have been the FIRST thought I had when I heard it.). It sounds kind of like a defibrillator. Now, we've not seen ANYTHING to suggest that Shepard's armor or implants contain one of these, so what I was thinking was maybe it's the ground forces in the real world trying to revive him.
That actually makes a lot of sense given how things from that point on are when the memories from past events/places seem to start influencing everything. Combine that with the way the electrical currents further down the hall way sound like gunfire and you could really be on to something.
It doesn't sound exactly like a defibrillator, but I can't think of anything else that it sounds like, except maybe the flashes between the sections of the Prothean vision on Eden Prime in ME1. Either one could have significance, TBH.
If it was a defibrillator, it should have been put directly in Shepard's body, because his armor has lost power ( the lights on his back are missing). It's something that we should debate further, I found it unsettling when I was playing because of Anderson whispering and Shepard waking up suddendly in this form o nightmare that is the collector base part...
#34313
Posté 29 juin 2012 - 04:25
also did you all noticed that the catalyst said shepard would die in destroy, because like we all said the catalyst is just trying to get shepard on their said and if you think about the catalyst immideatly vanishes when shepard starts shooting the destroy panal, which gives us a small hint that shepard may bealive on earth. in which case supports the breath scene because if shepard were to have died like the catalyst said then that would be it but if you have a high ems you :bandit:the brat lied aboum. in whichii case makesmasster blaster wrote...
Guys I had a huge thought.
What if the reason why we get the breath ending in Destroy is because of Shepard's war assets are bying time for Shepard to wake up.
Think about it. The less war assets you have the chances of Shepard long enof to wake up from breaking Indoctrination are slim.
But if you have high assets your allies are bying Shepard time to wake up' because Harbinger is coming to kill Shepard before he wakes up, but is stalled by Shepards assets only if you have high EMS.
#34314
Posté 29 juin 2012 - 04:26
Dwailing wrote...
Yup, that's still the most important part of that scene. And listen, the exact moment that you hear Anderson for the first time is right before the weird sound. That seems to imply to me that there is something up with that sound.
I'm gonna offer a slight curveball here...
How about the first "sound" your hear, right back on Earth at the beginning, when you're chatting away with the starkid in the vent?
That's right; you hear a strange Reaper sound right as Anderson shouts "Shepard".
O.o
Oh... My... Gee.
Anderson has been indocrinating you all along? In a similar fashion to the Collector General.
#34315
Posté 29 juin 2012 - 04:28
insomniak9 wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
Yup, that's still the most important part of that scene. And listen, the exact moment that you hear Anderson for the first time is right before the weird sound. That seems to imply to me that there is something up with that sound.
I'm gonna offer a slight curveball here...
How about the first "sound" your hear, right back on Earth at the beginning, when you're chatting away with the starkid in the vent?
That's right; you hear a strange Reaper sound right as Anderson shouts "Shepard".
O.o
Oh... My... Gee.
Anderson has been indocrinating you all along? In a similar fashion to the Collector General.
I always saw that as an angry reaper growl in Shepards mind because Anderson interrupted what was happening.
#34316
Posté 29 juin 2012 - 04:28
Xavendithas wrote...
ThisOneIsPunny wrote...
The conduit, the one you use to get to the citadel. It apparently not only stays on, but stays on well into the epilogue when they show a rebuilt London HQ connecting to a rebuilt Citadel.
I saw this in my epilogue, and it really confused me. I have no idea what to make of the fact that the beam is still on and connecting London to the Citadel.
This is what let led me to believe that Shepard is not indrocinated, he just bounced back through the conduit. Shepards crew also did not put his plaque on the memorial wall in the destroy ending.
#34317
Posté 29 juin 2012 - 04:29
Could be another thing to add to the list of "We've seen everything on this nightmare Citadel before!!"
#34318
Posté 29 juin 2012 - 04:32
Go to the 4 min mark, you hear Harbinger saying "one of us" right before he shoots you.
#34319
Posté 29 juin 2012 - 04:32
insomniak9 wrote...
But the repetition? A weird sound, when Anderson shouts "Shepard".
Could be another thing to add to the list of "We've seen everything on this nightmare Citadel before!!"
I agree. It's right up there with the weird way Anderson says to Shepard on the shuttle that he was born on London, and Shep says "really?" even though not that much time had passed since you had that exact conversation on the Normandy.
#34320
Posté 29 juin 2012 - 04:35
Dwailing wrote...
munnellyladt wrote...
Hey guys,i need to ask something that me support,that the starkid is lying.
Was there a paragon interupt when talking to the reaper on ranoch?
Uh, yes. Shepard basically says something to the effect of this, "Whatever race you came from, they're dead. They died a long time ago. And now they can rest in peace."
WHAT?? They added a paragon interrupt??? How did I miss that??
#34321
Posté 29 juin 2012 - 04:37
#34322
Posté 29 juin 2012 - 04:41
Xavendithas wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
You know, I was thinking about what that sound could be, and I had a thought (Actually, this might have been the FIRST thought I had when I heard it.). It sounds kind of like a defibrillator. Now, we've not seen ANYTHING to suggest that Shepard's armor or implants contain one of these, so what I was thinking was maybe it's the ground forces in the real world trying to revive him.
That actually makes a lot of sense given how things from that point on are when the memories from past events/places seem to start influencing everything. Combine that with the way the electrical currents further down the hall way sound like gunfire and you could really be on to something.
Makes the breath scene completely illogical then
#34323
Posté 29 juin 2012 - 04:44
Jere85 wrote...
Probably old as hell, so apologies if you are getting annoyed by this being posted again.
Go to the 4 min mark, you hear Harbinger saying "one of us" right before he shoots you.
Its debatable what he actually says. People hear different things.
Personally I heard "Serve Us". Others heard "Save Us" or "Help Us". Regardless, "Us" is the only clear bit.
Also, before it sounds like he's either saying "Shephard"! or "This One Is Strong" (according to my friend), though its much more garbled.
Also its possible that Shepard is slowly 'learning' Reaper language - the same thing happened to TIM when he was exposed to a Reaper device. Which would explain why Shepard can 'understand' some of what Harbinger is garbling about.
As a side note... What caused the Mako crash before the beam run? I don't recall it being shown, just that suddenly the Mako can't be used anymore...
#34324
Posté 29 juin 2012 - 04:44
#34325
Posté 29 juin 2012 - 04:47
Andromidius wrote...
Also its possible that Shepard is slowly 'learning' Reaper language - the same thing happened to TIM when he was exposed to a Reaper device. Which would explain why Shepard can 'understand' some of what Harbinger is garbling about.
Shep has quite an in-depth conversation with Soverign, and the Rannoch-Reaper.
I think it's safe to assume she can already understand Reaper.




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