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[masster blaster]

Yep your right Lokan, and since the breathscene is after the epilogue then it proves that it was all in Shepard's head and if any one does not belive me then look on page 1735.

[SubAstris]

masster blaster wrote...

Well they did leave a new dlc that looks like it could pull IT and prove the god childs bulls*** since it's about a rogu Reaper that was mentioned in ME1 The Leviathian of Dis.

But they have said repeatedly there will be no more DLC on the ending and Shepard's story won't continue into a proposed ME4

[Turbo_J]

delldo wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

delldo wrote...

Probably already discussed, but I think I found some foreshadowing with the refuse ending...

Victus- "You never asked to be a leader (Shepard), but if you refuse all of your people will die."

Might lend some credence as to why Shepard would see or think his people lose the war and die after choosing refusal. Just a thought.

That's a fair point.

However, Refuse can still be good as an 'out' to escape Indoctrination if you only have the option to Control.  Though it should definately not be as good as Destroy.

I like refusal myself, I do not see it as Shepard giving up, in fact I think it is the best ending if he were to fight off indoctrination.  Having the idea planted in his head by those words and all of the foreshadowing of not being able to win convintionaly gives him the vision of the possible loss of the war.  Is refusal an option no matter how high your EMS is?

Refusal means you don't destroy the beakon (It's not a beam), Harbie gets pissed and leaves the battle in orbit to fry Shep for real this time on earth. Same thing likely happes in low EMS destroy.

[Turbo_J]

SubAstris wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Well they did leave a new dlc that looks like it could pull IT and prove the god childs bulls*** since it's about a rogu Reaper that was mentioned in ME1 The Leviathian of Dis.

But they have said repeatedly there will be no more DLC on the ending and Shepard's story won't continue into a proposed ME4

1. Even if there isn't does it matter? It could harm DLC sales, however.

2. They lie

3. At this point, with Shep indoctrinated or in rubble barely alive, the reapers win, no matter what choice. That is not an ending.

[Andromidius]

delldo wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

delldo wrote...

Probably already discussed, but I think I found some foreshadowing with the refuse ending...

Victus- "You never asked to be a leader (Shepard), but if you refuse all of your people will die."

Might lend some credence as to why Shepard would see or think his people lose the war and die after choosing refusal. Just a thought.

That's a fair point.

However, Refuse can still be good as an 'out' to escape Indoctrination if you only have the option to Control.  Though it should definately not be as good as Destroy.

I like refusal myself, I do not see it as Shepard giving up, in fact I think it is the best ending if he were to fight off indoctrination.  Having the idea planted in his head by those words and all of the foreshadowing of not being able to win convintionaly gives him the vision of the possible loss of the war.  Is refusal an option no matter how high your EMS is?

Yeah it is.  It was my first choice!

And Refuse could be made the best choice (or a viable choice, at least) with future DLC.  Hopefully.  I did have ideas about that yesterday...

And yeah, I'm coming up with ideas for a video.  Its title will be 'An Unconventional Victory'.

[otreblA_SNAKE_ITA]

masster blaster wrote...

And OrteblA if you were Bioware and you wanted to make more money what better way to do it by giving you a paid ending that may prove that IT is right.

Yeah but damnit, many years ago software houses made complete games, and then they made Expansion Packs.

Now we have a game without an ending, full of holes of different nature (like the plotholes) and then we have DLC that complete our game...I'm tired of this policy.

Oh yeah, it's called 'capitalism'...

I hope at least they make GREAT DLC, but they have to be masterpieces DLC or I (and many other fans) won't buy any of them.

[masster blaster]

Ya but come on Subart. Bioware has said a lot of things but the EC was only an expassion of the endings not add a new end and fix a lot of the endgame when you are about to charge to the Conduit.

[SubAstris]

Turbo_J wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Well they did leave a new dlc that looks like it could pull IT and prove the god childs bulls*** since it's about a rogu Reaper that was mentioned in ME1 The Leviathian of Dis.

But they have said repeatedly there will be no more DLC on the ending and Shepard's story won't continue into a proposed ME4

1. Even if there isn't does it matter? It could harm DLC sales, however.

2. They lie

3. At this point, with Shep indoctrinated or in rubble barely alive, the reapers win, no matter what choice. That is not an ending.

2) You can believe that, although it is unlikely given it would be a complete 360 of their original position. They have been saying this for a long long time. But whatever helps IT I guess

3) Assuming IT, with the face-value explanation you have closure the story needs

[Andromidius]

SubAstris wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Well they did leave a new dlc that looks like it could pull IT and prove the god childs bulls*** since it's about a rogu Reaper that was mentioned in ME1 The Leviathian of Dis.

But they have said repeatedly there will be no more DLC on the ending and Shepard's story won't continue into a proposed ME4

Mind you, it not being 'Shepard's story' doesn't mean Shepard won't be included.  Just means the story will focus on someone else.  And even if Shepard is dead regardless, the story might pick up right after still.

Only time will tell, but I highly doubt Mass Effect is over.  Its a potential cash cow, and right now Bioware and EA need all the cash they can get.

[Turbo_J]

masster blaster wrote...

Yep your right Lokan, and since the breathscene is after the epilogue then it proves that it was all in Shepard's head and if any one does not belive me then look on page 1735.

Agreed. I read you other post and also agree. I said as much pages ago. This make reject and low EMS make sense. In reject, high EMS won't help because the beakon is till emitting an indoctrination signal. Rescue parties cannot get to it without losing their minds and becuse the 'beam' signal does not stop Hackett would not know to send anyone to Earth to back Shep up.

Hackett gives the order because of the beam/beacon signal stopping, not because the Citadel opens.

Possible?: If the Citadel ever does open (not in sheps head, but for real), and the crucible docks it's over for organics, as a bunch more Reapers are likely to flood through it's relay.

[SubAstris]

masster blaster wrote...

Ya but come on Subart. Bioware has said a lot of things but the EC was only an expassion of the endings not add a new end and fix a lot of the endgame when you are about to charge to the Conduit.

I'm referring to all potential future DLC. EC was the one chance to say," guys, it was IT", and they blew it

[SubAstris]

Andromidius wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Well they did leave a new dlc that looks like it could pull IT and prove the god childs bulls*** since it's about a rogu Reaper that was mentioned in ME1 The Leviathian of Dis.

But they have said repeatedly there will be no more DLC on the ending and Shepard's story won't continue into a proposed ME4

Mind you, it not being 'Shepard's story' doesn't mean Shepard won't be included.  Just means the story will focus on someone else.  And even if Shepard is dead regardless, the story might pick up right after still.

Only time will tell, but I highly doubt Mass Effect is over.  Its a potential cash cow, and right now Bioware and EA need all the cash they can get.

Yes it does, there's really no way you can twist it.

I never said ME is over, just Shepard's part in the story

[Turbo_J]

SubAstris wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Well they did leave a new dlc that looks like it could pull IT and prove the god childs bulls*** since it's about a rogu Reaper that was mentioned in ME1 The Leviathian of Dis.

But they have said repeatedly there will be no more DLC on the ending and Shepard's story won't continue into a proposed ME4

1. Even if there isn't does it matter? It could harm DLC sales, however.

2. They lie

3. At this point, with Shep indoctrinated or in rubble barely alive, the reapers win, no matter what choice. That is not an ending.

2) You can believe that, although it is unlikely given it would be a complete 360 of their original position. They have been saying this for a long long time. But whatever helps IT I guess

3) Assuming IT, with the face-value explanation you have closure the story needs

Closure born of an illusion is not closure. It's like getting bitten by a creature whos venom submerges you into a fantasy long enough to consume you.

[llbountyhunter]

SubAstris wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Ya but come on Subart. Bioware has said a lot of things but the EC was only an expassion of the endings not add a new end and fix a lot of the endgame when you are about to charge to the Conduit.

I'm referring to all potential future DLC. EC was the one chance to say," guys, it was IT", and they blew it

It was also their chance to put a clamp on IT and add definative closure and  they failed that too.

Instead they added more IT evidence.

[Xavendithas]

SubAstris wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Ya but come on Subart. Bioware has said a lot of things but the EC was only an expassion of the endings not add a new end and fix a lot of the endgame when you are about to charge to the Conduit.

I'm referring to all potential future DLC. EC was the one chance to say," guys, it was IT", and they blew it

I'll say it again.

BioWare did exactly what they said they were going to do with the EC. They said that if you believed in IT, the EC would not change your opinion and if you believed in the literal interpretation of the ending, it would not change your opinion.

[Andromidius]

SubAstris wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Well they did leave a new dlc that looks like it could pull IT and prove the god childs bulls*** since it's about a rogu Reaper that was mentioned in ME1 The Leviathian of Dis.

But they have said repeatedly there will be no more DLC on the ending and Shepard's story won't continue into a proposed ME4

Mind you, it not being 'Shepard's story' doesn't mean Shepard won't be included.  Just means the story will focus on someone else.  And even if Shepard is dead regardless, the story might pick up right after still.

Only time will tell, but I highly doubt Mass Effect is over.  Its a potential cash cow, and right now Bioware and EA need all the cash they can get.

Yes it does, there's really no way you can twist it.

I never said ME is over, just Shepard's part in the story

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We'll have to agree to disagree then, because I don't see it as 'twisting' at all.

[SubAstris]

Turbo_J wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Well they did leave a new dlc that looks like it could pull IT and prove the god childs bulls*** since it's about a rogu Reaper that was mentioned in ME1 The Leviathian of Dis.

But they have said repeatedly there will be no more DLC on the ending and Shepard's story won't continue into a proposed ME4

1. Even if there isn't does it matter? It could harm DLC sales, however.

2. They lie

3. At this point, with Shep indoctrinated or in rubble barely alive, the reapers win, no matter what choice. That is not an ending.

2) You can believe that, although it is unlikely given it would be a complete 360 of their original position. They have been saying this for a long long time. But whatever helps IT I guess

3) Assuming IT, with the face-value explanation you have closure the story needs

Closure born of an illusion is not closure. It's like getting bitten by a creature whos venom submerges you into a fantasy long enough to consume you.

Of course, I don't believe IT to be true, so I get closure you don't with the game. It is alright to believe BW will do something in regards to the endings again but the evidence is not for it

[llbountyhunter]

SubAstris wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Well they did leave a new dlc that looks like it could pull IT and prove the god childs bulls*** since it's about a rogu Reaper that was mentioned in ME1 The Leviathian of Dis.

But they have said repeatedly there will be no more DLC on the ending and Shepard's story won't continue into a proposed ME4

Mind you, it not being 'Shepard's story' doesn't mean Shepard won't be included.  Just means the story will focus on someone else.  And even if Shepard is dead regardless, the story might pick up right after still.

Only time will tell, but I highly doubt Mass Effect is over.  Its a potential cash cow, and right now Bioware and EA need all the cash they can get.

Yes it does, there's really no way you can twist it.

I never said ME is over, just Shepard's part in the story

Shepard's story means Shepard is the protagonist. Same with books and novels.

[Turbo_J]

SubAstris wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Ya but come on Subart. Bioware has said a lot of things but the EC was only an expassion of the endings not add a new end and fix a lot of the endgame when you are about to charge to the Conduit.

I'm referring to all potential future DLC. EC was the one chance to say," guys, it was IT", and they blew it

They are not ready to do that. This was the second Indoctrination attempt; to quell the player and Shepard with some roses and sunshine and try again.

First attempt from in game. TIM/Anderson
Second Attempt in game: Starbinger the death brat.

First attempt out of game: Original ending
Second attempt out of game: EC.

I'd like to think BW is smarter and more creative than I am.

[llbountyhunter]

SubAstris wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Well they did leave a new dlc that looks like it could pull IT and prove the god childs bulls*** since it's about a rogu Reaper that was mentioned in ME1 The Leviathian of Dis.

But they have said repeatedly there will be no more DLC on the ending and Shepard's story won't continue into a proposed ME4

1. Even if there isn't does it matter? It could harm DLC sales, however.

2. They lie

3. At this point, with Shep indoctrinated or in rubble barely alive, the reapers win, no matter what choice. That is not an ending.

2) You can believe that, although it is unlikely given it would be a complete 360 of their original position. They have been saying this for a long long time. But whatever helps IT I guess

3) Assuming IT, with the face-value explanation you have closure the story needs

Closure born of an illusion is not closure. It's like getting bitten by a creature whos venom submerges you into a fantasy long enough to consume you.

Of course, I don't believe IT to be true, so I get closure you don't with the game. It is alright to believe BW will do something in regards to the endings again but the evidence is not for it

Sane and logical preople didnt get closure, or closure that made sense.

[SubAstris]

Xavendithas wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Ya but come on Subart. Bioware has said a lot of things but the EC was only an expassion of the endings not add a new end and fix a lot of the endgame when you are about to charge to the Conduit.

I'm referring to all potential future DLC. EC was the one chance to say," guys, it was IT", and they blew it

I'll say it again.

BioWare did exactly what they said they were going to do with the EC. They said that if you believed in IT, the EC would not change your opinion and if you believed in the literal interpretation of the ending, it would not change your opinion.

It begs the question why they would do that if IT was their intention. Did they not enough people believe it? If that's the reason, it not only shows bad storytelling but also being unprincipled

[alittlewren]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Just checked what they changed in the dream: Shepard now looks totally confused and freaked out when she sees herself. Before she was just standing there pretty emotionless.

Pardon me, I don't normally post on the forums, but I've been somewhat following this discussion since ME3 came out (you guys are great!), and I've also been wondering if they changed anything about the last dream sequence. With my paragon, Kaidan-romanced femshep, with EC installed, I was able to produce two versions of the dream, seemingly depending on my answer to Kaidan's question, "Shepard, you know that you've done everything you could, right?" 

If I answer with the top option, "Everything?" I get the dream sequence where Shepard's facial animations remain calm and relaxed.  

If I answer with the bottom option, "Absolutely." I get the dream sequence where Shepard's facial animations become confused and distressed. 

I'm not sure if it's only linked to conversation answers, but so far I've only been able to replicate those results reliably with those two options. I also don't know if these two versions may have already been there before the EC; all I'm sure of is that I've never noticed it before EC. Does anyone know how to verify this? It's been bugging me since I saw this topic pop up here, and I noticed the difference myself.  If anyone's interested and I have time later, I can upload the two versions to youtube. 

[SubAstris]

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Ya but come on Subart. Bioware has said a lot of things but the EC was only an expassion of the endings not add a new end and fix a lot of the endgame when you are about to charge to the Conduit.

I'm referring to all potential future DLC. EC was the one chance to say," guys, it was IT", and they blew it

It was also their chance to put a clamp on IT and add definative closure and  they failed that too.

Instead they added more IT evidence.

Don't pretend that anything that BW put out would stop IT in its tracks. People want to believe what they want to, you of all people should know that

[llbountyhunter]

SubAstris wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Ya but come on Subart. Bioware has said a lot of things but the EC was only an expassion of the endings not add a new end and fix a lot of the endgame when you are about to charge to the Conduit.

I'm referring to all potential future DLC. EC was the one chance to say," guys, it was IT", and they blew it

I'll say it again.

BioWare did exactly what they said they were going to do with the EC. They said that if you believed in IT, the EC would not change your opinion and if you believed in the literal interpretation of the ending, it would not change your opinion.

It begs the question why they would do that if IT was their intention. Did they not enough people believe it? If that's the reason, it not only shows bad storytelling but also being unprincipled

Yeah, why add IT evidence if the literal endings was their original plan.... hmmm. 

I agree with you on the bad story telling part.

[Andromidius]

SubAstris wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Ya but come on Subart. Bioware has said a lot of things but the EC was only an expassion of the endings not add a new end and fix a lot of the endgame when you are about to charge to the Conduit.

I'm referring to all potential future DLC. EC was the one chance to say," guys, it was IT", and they blew it

I'll say it again.

BioWare did exactly what they said they were going to do with the EC. They said that if you believed in IT, the EC would not change your opinion and if you believed in the literal interpretation of the ending, it would not change your opinion.

It begs the question why they would do that if IT was their intention. Did they not enough people believe it? If that's the reason, it not only shows bad storytelling but also being unprincipled

Its a case of interpretation and non-standard storytelling.  Which I have no problem with, even if it feels like a massive ****tease sometimes.

The problem really is if IT (or any plot revolving around indoctrination) wasn't their intention, why have so much foreshadowing about it, why have the dreams, why have the weird inconsistancies, why have the breath scene...

...and then why not 'fix' these problems if Bioware didn't want people to speculate about them?