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[MegumiAzusa]

D.Sharrah wrote...

It seems that the "Dream Foliage" is an asset that was reused quite a bit...I know that I have seen it in the dreams; I saw that someone (on this thread) saw it on the part of Tuchanka where there was some green growing again; and of course on the end sequence planet. It would not surprise me if people continue to look for it that they find it in other locations as well.

It's basically used everywhere if there's some shrubs.

[Dwailing]

BatmanTurian wrote...

more interesting evidence that the Citadel may be emitting a low level indoctrination signal aimed at pacifying the populace. It's always Vega who notices.

Besides the obvious " it's peaceful but it's just not right quote", I had a conversation with him in the embassies near the elevator after talking to the council after the Mars mission and Vega says something like " it's no wonder the Council won't help you, look at this place. There's no war here. " Then your Shepaerd says whatever. I did the Paragon and my Shepard said it is hard to believe that the war is happening. THEN Vega says " I know, puh... It's like this place makes you want to forget the war."

Makes you want to forget the war... I'm convinced more than ever that the Citadel is not what it seems.

I do wonder if it indoctrinates its occupants, at least to a small degree.  Hey, I just had a crazy idea.  If we're working under the assumption that the Crucible is some kind of Reaper trap, maybe it's an amplifier for some kind of signal that the Citadel produces.  Rather than the Crucible creating the signal and focusing it through the Citadel, maybe the CITADEL creates the signal and the CRUCIBLE focuses it.  What do you all think?

Edit: This could play into the theory that the Crucible is some kind of indoctrination device, but instead of it creating the signal, it would merely amplify the signal created by the Citadel.

Modifié par Dwailing, 20 mai 2012 - 11:23 .

[MegumiAzusa]

MaximizedAction wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Btw, I noticed Aequitas being marked on the galaxy map in ME3 after having done the Ardat Yakshi monarchy quest and all other side missions before Rannoch.

I'm mentioning this for the statistics because MagumiAzusa had it pop up at different moments during different playthroughs.

Btw you really sure it didn't pop up before? For now it seems to follow a pattern for me.

I admit, that it might've popped up earlier. This is my first NG+ playthrough with my ME1ME2ME3 Shep. I know, you posted it, but could you please repeat where you noticed it pop up in your various imports?

First time: after Thessia
Second time: Rannoch - Thessia
Third time: Tuchanka - ? (I bet it stops after I did Thessia, I'm at the monastery atm)

BatmanTurian wrote...

more interesting evidence that the Citadel may be emitting a low level indoctrination signal aimed at pacifying the populace. It's always Vega who notices.

Besides the obvious " it's peaceful but it's just not right quote", I had a conversation with him in the embassies near the elevator after talking to the council after the Mars mission and Vega says something like " it's no wonder the Council won't help you, look at this place. There's no war here. " Then your Shepaerd says whatever. I did the Paragon and my Shepard said it is hard to believe that the war is happening. THEN Vega says " I know, puh... It's like this place makes you want to forget the war."

Makes you want to forget the war... I'm convinced more than ever that the Citadel is not what it seems.

An interesting note to Vega:
when encountering the Banshees in the monastery Vega says "Like nails on a chalkboard." and then "And it's calling its buddies." nothing unusual on itself but it seems a bit suspicious, like he understands them, with the other stuff we know about him


Also looked a bit closer on the diversity of the Reapers shown in the ME2 endgame sequence, there are from what we can see only 4 models repeated over and over:

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 20 mai 2012 - 11:22 .

[Dwailing]

Dwailing wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

more interesting evidence that the Citadel may be emitting a low level indoctrination signal aimed at pacifying the populace. It's always Vega who notices.

Besides the obvious " it's peaceful but it's just not right quote", I had a conversation with him in the embassies near the elevator after talking to the council after the Mars mission and Vega says something like " it's no wonder the Council won't help you, look at this place. There's no war here. " Then your Shepaerd says whatever. I did the Paragon and my Shepard said it is hard to believe that the war is happening. THEN Vega says " I know, puh... It's like this place makes you want to forget the war."

Makes you want to forget the war... I'm convinced more than ever that the Citadel is not what it seems.

I do wonder if it indoctrinates its occupants, at least to a small degree.  Hey, I just had a crazy idea.  If we're working under the assumption that the Crucible is some kind of Reaper trap, maybe it's an amplifier for some kind of signal that the Citadel produces.  Rather than the Crucible creating the signal and focusing it through the Citadel, maybe the CITADEL creates the signal and the CRUCIBLE focuses it.  What do you all think?

Edit: This could play into the theory that the Crucible is some kind of indoctrination device, but instead of it creating the signal, it would merely amplify the signal created by the Citadel.

So, any thoughts on this?

[hoodaticus]

The Citadel emits Indoctrination waves to control the keepers. We already knew this from Vigil.

[UrgedDuke]

hoodaticus wrote...

The Citadel emits Indoctrination waves to control the keepers. We already knew this from Vigil.

If you think about it, it fits because the council always denied the existence of the Reapers and as well as most of the other people at the Citadel

Modifié par UrgedDuke, 20 mai 2012 - 11:37 .

[TSA_383]

ahem:
http://social.biowar.../index/12159086

Thoughts, everyone?
I feel like I've just fallen down the rabbit hole here...

[BatmanTurian]

Dwailing wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

more interesting evidence that the Citadel may be emitting a low level indoctrination signal aimed at pacifying the populace. It's always Vega who notices.

Besides the obvious " it's peaceful but it's just not right quote", I had a conversation with him in the embassies near the elevator after talking to the council after the Mars mission and Vega says something like " it's no wonder the Council won't help you, look at this place. There's no war here. " Then your Shepaerd says whatever. I did the Paragon and my Shepard said it is hard to believe that the war is happening. THEN Vega says " I know, puh... It's like this place makes you want to forget the war."

Makes you want to forget the war... I'm convinced more than ever that the Citadel is not what it seems.

I do wonder if it indoctrinates its occupants, at least to a small degree.  Hey, I just had a crazy idea.  If we're working under the assumption that the Crucible is some kind of Reaper trap, maybe it's an amplifier for some kind of signal that the Citadel produces.  Rather than the Crucible creating the signal and focusing it through the Citadel, maybe the CITADEL creates the signal and the CRUCIBLE focuses it.  What do you all think?

Edit: This could play into the theory that the Crucible is some kind of indoctrination device, but instead of it creating the signal, it would merely amplify the signal created by the Citadel.

If the Crucible is a Reaper trick and it amplified what the Citadel is doing, then it would pacify everyone it affected so that they would no longer want to fight. Then the Reapers would then be able to round up soldiers and resistance agents like cattle or sheep for slaughter. They'd win the war by removing the will to fight them completely.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 20 mai 2012 - 11:42 .

[UrgedDuke]

TSA_383 wrote...

ahem:
http://social.biowar.../index/12159086

Thoughts, everyone?
I feel like I've just fallen down the rabbit hole here...

I comented on this on the last IT forum and proposed that the crucible is just a giant Trojan Horse. I wish I could find my post so I could show you

[Dwailing]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

more interesting evidence that the Citadel may be emitting a low level indoctrination signal aimed at pacifying the populace. It's always Vega who notices.

Besides the obvious " it's peaceful but it's just not right quote", I had a conversation with him in the embassies near the elevator after talking to the council after the Mars mission and Vega says something like " it's no wonder the Council won't help you, look at this place. There's no war here. " Then your Shepaerd says whatever. I did the Paragon and my Shepard said it is hard to believe that the war is happening. THEN Vega says " I know, puh... It's like this place makes you want to forget the war."

Makes you want to forget the war... I'm convinced more than ever that the Citadel is not what it seems.

I do wonder if it indoctrinates its occupants, at least to a small degree.  Hey, I just had a crazy idea.  If we're working under the assumption that the Crucible is some kind of Reaper trap, maybe it's an amplifier for some kind of signal that the Citadel produces.  Rather than the Crucible creating the signal and focusing it through the Citadel, maybe the CITADEL creates the signal and the CRUCIBLE focuses it.  What do you all think?

Edit: This could play into the theory that the Crucible is some kind of indoctrination device, but instead of it creating the signal, it would merely amplify the signal created by the Citadel.

If the Crucible is a Reaper trick and it amplified what the Citadel is doing, then it would pacify everyone it affected so that they would no longer want to fight. Then the Reapers would then be able to round up soldiers and resistance agents like cattle or sheep for slaughter. They'd win the war by removing the will to fight them completely.

OK, this could be it.  It's as good of an explanation as any for why the Reapers didn't learn about and destroy the Crucible, and I really like it.

[TSA_383]

UrgedDuke wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

ahem:
http://social.biowar.../index/12159086

Thoughts, everyone?
I feel like I've just fallen down the rabbit hole here...

I comented on this on the last IT forum and proposed that the crucible is just a giant Trojan Horse. I wish I could find my post so I could show you

Would certainly make sense, but with all the evidence together like that it's... compelling

It'll be an interesting thread.

[MegumiAzusa]

Uh now I know why the monastery gives me the chills, is this a visual clue or just coincidence that these things look like the tips of Reapers?

[BatmanTurian]

Dwailing wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

more interesting evidence that the Citadel may be emitting a low level indoctrination signal aimed at pacifying the populace. It's always Vega who notices.

Besides the obvious " it's peaceful but it's just not right quote", I had a conversation with him in the embassies near the elevator after talking to the council after the Mars mission and Vega says something like " it's no wonder the Council won't help you, look at this place. There's no war here. " Then your Shepaerd says whatever. I did the Paragon and my Shepard said it is hard to believe that the war is happening. THEN Vega says " I know, puh... It's like this place makes you want to forget the war."

Makes you want to forget the war... I'm convinced more than ever that the Citadel is not what it seems.

I do wonder if it indoctrinates its occupants, at least to a small degree.  Hey, I just had a crazy idea.  If we're working under the assumption that the Crucible is some kind of Reaper trap, maybe it's an amplifier for some kind of signal that the Citadel produces.  Rather than the Crucible creating the signal and focusing it through the Citadel, maybe the CITADEL creates the signal and the CRUCIBLE focuses it.  What do you all think?

Edit: This could play into the theory that the Crucible is some kind of indoctrination device, but instead of it creating the signal, it would merely amplify the signal created by the Citadel.

If the Crucible is a Reaper trick and it amplified what the Citadel is doing, then it would pacify everyone it affected so that they would no longer want to fight. Then the Reapers would then be able to round up soldiers and resistance agents like cattle or sheep for slaughter. They'd win the war by removing the will to fight them completely.

OK, this could be it.  It's as good of an explanation as any for why the Reapers didn't learn about and destroy the Crucible, and I really like it.

Maybe we are right not to trust in some super weapon. If it was billed as a super weapon by the Protheans as Liara suggests slightly by her description, it is not a weapon for organics but for the Reapers. Perhaps the real truth is that the Crucible was being built by the Prothean splinter group that wanted to use it to control the Reapers. Liara says it was never finished when you're on Mars, that a Catalyst is needed, but what if the Starbeiber is telling a half-truth? What if the Citadel itself is the Catalyst and the whole point of the Crucible plans are to get dumb organics, who think they're building a super-weapon to control or destroy the Reapers, to actually build this thing and dig their own graves metaphorically?

It's so beautiful in a Sun Tzu's Art of War kind of way. Win a war by making the enemy create a weapon that pacifies the enemy. It's definitely something advanced A.I. would dream up when they have nothing to do for millennia between wars with organics and harvesting for reprodution.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 21 mai 2012 - 12:00 .

[Uncle Jo]

Dwailing wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

more interesting evidence that the Citadel may be emitting a low level indoctrination signal aimed at pacifying the populace. It's always Vega who notices.

Besides the obvious " it's peaceful but it's just not right quote", I had a conversation with him in the embassies near the elevator after talking to the council after the Mars mission and Vega says something like " it's no wonder the Council won't help you, look at this place. There's no war here. " Then your Shepaerd says whatever. I did the Paragon and my Shepard said it is hard to believe that the war is happening. THEN Vega says " I know, puh... It's like this place makes you want to forget the war."

Makes you want to forget the war... I'm convinced more than ever that the Citadel is not what it seems.

I do wonder if it indoctrinates its occupants, at least to a small degree.  Hey, I just had a crazy idea.  If we're working under the assumption that the Crucible is some kind of Reaper trap, maybe it's an amplifier for some kind of signal that the Citadel produces.  Rather than the Crucible creating the signal and focusing it through the Citadel, maybe the CITADEL creates the signal and the CRUCIBLE focuses it.  What do you all think?

Edit: This could play into the theory that the Crucible is some kind of indoctrination device, but instead of it creating the signal, it would merely amplify the signal created by the Citadel.

So, any thoughts on this?

I think you're on the right path.The "Citadel/Indoctrination device" and the Crucible/trap Theories are running for some time on this thread (and in the locked one), with some variants though. All that you mentioned could be right. The whole atmosphere on the Citadel is quite surreal. The hesitating and divided Council unable to make a good decision, the Cerberus coup which was launched with such an easiness are some other things that point out that's "something is not right".

Crucible:

-red herring : (ancient race made) discovered by the Reapers and somehow redesigned by them to never work. Waste of time and resources. Make the galactic Races reaction and defense line predictable.Eventually leads the galactic forces to one point making them easy to wipe them out in one go.

-giant canon mass accelerator (ancient race made)

- signal amplifier for indoctrination (Reaper made).

Edit: I'll repost the theory from ZerebusPrime.

"Now this is interesting to me.  If the Crucible is in fact an indoctrination device, then isn't it funny that Hackett orders the destruction of Cerberus right after Horizon?  I mean, on the one hand we have the Crucible that we don't know what does.  On the other hand we've just learned that Cerberus has a Reaper override signal that worksbut needs to be boosted.  Wouldn't it make more sense to use Lawson's data, chuck the Crucible to the side, and work on a great big transmitter instead?  Well, the thing is, the Crucible IS a giant transmitter in this case, isn't it?  If it's a mass indoctrination device of unprecedented scale, then it is exactly what TIM needs to broadcast his override signal. That's why I would have Cerberus building their own Crucible using Omega as a superstructure to speed construction and the remains of the Collector Base as building materials.  Whatever alterations the Reapers may have made to the designs to render the Crucible into a trap for organics is now turned on its ear.  Unfortunately, this would be DLC territory and it doesn't appear to have worked out by the time we get to the end of the game."

I like the idea of TIM taking Omega to build his own Crucible, turning it against its owners. But I suppose that if his theory is correct, no matter what happens after Shep wakes up in London. Hackett must never fire the Crucible or we're all doomed.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 21 mai 2012 - 12:21 .

[UrgedDuke]

is there any way to jump to a specific page number of a forum

Modifié par UrgedDuke, 21 mai 2012 - 12:02 .

[byne]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Well, that one is the same symbol used for missions in asari space on the datapad app. I think its the emblem of their government.

[TSA_383]

UrgedDuke wrote...

is there any way to jump to a specific page number of a forum

Just change the last number in the url when you've clicked on a particular page.

[BatmanTurian]

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
*snip*

Well, that one is the same symbol used for missions in asari space on the datapad app. I think its the emblem of their government.

Come to think of it, that's also kind of the shape of the Flagship of the Citadel's Fleet, the Destiny Ascension, when seen from the front or behind.

[MaximizedAction]

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Well, that one is the same symbol used for missions in asari space on the datapad app. I think its the emblem of their government.

The culture of which was revealed to have been secretly influenced by early Asari with the help of the Prothean artifact (see Thessia dialog with Vendetta: their godess who resembled a prothean)
That vs.
the ongoing idea of Javik's eyes on the poster having glowing eyes (AND how Javik was originally planned to be the Catalyst), so that there might be some some connection between the prothean and the Reapers.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 21 mai 2012 - 12:15 .

[BleedingUranium]

UrgedDuke wrote...

is there any way to jump to a specific page number of a forum

Change the last number in your URL Bar

Arg 'd

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 21 mai 2012 - 12:15 .

[MegumiAzusa]

BatmanTurian wrote...

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
*snip*

Well, that one is the same symbol used for missions in asari space on the datapad app. I think its the emblem of their government.

Come to think of it, that's also kind of the shape of the Flagship of the Citadel's Fleet, the Destiny Ascension, when seen from the front or behind.

No, the DA has more the outlines of a cross

but these things seriously look more like the top parts of a Reaper, especially as they are split just like the top part of a Reaper.
But yeah, I always thought Asari ships looked a bit like them, I mean with these lines of light and all.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 21 mai 2012 - 12:15 .

[Uncle Jo]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Uh now I know why the monastery gives me the chills, is this a visual clue or just coincidence that these things look like the tips of Reapers?

*Images removed*

On the last pic, it really looks like a reaper logo/emblem.

[UrgedDuke]

BleedingUranium wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

is there any way to jump to a specific page number of a forum

Change the last number in your URL Bar

Arg 'd

I know I m a noob don't rub it in<_<

[TSA_383]

http://social.biowar.../index/12159086
I'm genuinely trying to work out if there's a whole bunch of ways this can make sense, because I keep seeing posts in my thread that just seem to use completely retarded logic and frankly I just don't quite get how someone can take 1+2 and make "Bioware are **** writers".

Maybe I should just stay off forums for my own sanity...

[OH-UP-THIS!]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...


If the Crucible is a Reaper trick and it amplified what the Citadel is doing, then it would pacify everyone it affected so that they would no longer want to fight. Then the Reapers would then be able to round up soldiers and resistance agents like cattle or sheep for slaughter. They'd win the war by removing the will to fight them completely.

OK, this could be it.  It's as good of an explanation as any for why the Reapers didn't learn about and destroy the Crucible, and I really like it.

Maybe we are right not to trust in some super weapon. If it was billed as a super weapon by the Protheans as Liara suggests slightly by her description, it is not a weapon for organics but for the Reapers. Perhaps the real truth is that the Crucible was being built by the Prothean splinter group that wanted to use it to control the Reapers. Liara says it was never finished when you're on Mars, that a Catalyst is needed, but what if the Starbeiber is telling a half-truth? What if the Citadel itself is the Catalyst and the whole point of the Crucible plans are to get dumb organics, who think they're building a super-weapon to control or destroy the Reapers, to actually build this thing and dig their own graves metaphorically?

It's so beautiful in a Sun Tzu's Art of War kind of way. Win a war by making the enemy create a weapon that pacifies the enemy. It's definitely something advanced A.I. would dream up when they have nothing to do for millennia between wars with organics and harvesting for reprodution.

Oh but what about the Anti-IT bunch, would they EVER go ballistic!!

Assuming of course they understood this sort of conclusion.