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[Xavendithas]

MaximizedAction wrote...

[Rifneno]

Andromidius wrote...

Peytl wrote...
If you check the breathing scene, the cables are way too long to be re-bars.

And you ignore the obvious - THERE'S NO CONCRETE ON THE CITADEL.

And the fact that it's unlikely can-barely-walk Shepard could survive being at ground zero of a 100+ kiloton explosion.

[Dwailing]

SubAstris wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Peytl wrote...

Tbh, we just need to prove that Shep was on Citadel in the breathing scene, which can be proven by simple comparison of the cabels. This definitely destroys the IT premise that Shep is on the Earth. It's like card house, you remove one card and everything will just break down.

Can someone from IT believers explain me, why the hell would BW expand the "hallucinations"?

Best answer is that they wanted to please everyone, which still makes no sense if IT was their true plan. Unless BW are deeply unprincipled in this respect.

If alot of people didn't like IT it males perfect sense for them to do what they did.

Why not just confirm the literal endings?

But I hear all the time that people love IT, your good friend Arian was quoted as saying 80% of people support IT.

They have done basically everything barring "IT is not true" to confirm the literal endings anyway (if you want to disagree, that's fine)

Give me a few examples of everything they've done to confirm that the endings are literal.  Go on, I'll wait right here.

Through their actions and comments which must assume a face-value interpretation. Also the fact that EC has nothing to do with IT with no discernable reason for that being the case if IT was their intention

I wanted specifics, not blanket statements like, "Through their actions and comments."  Please.

And when I say "please", I'm attempting to be polite, not making a sarcastic comment about your post. 

Comments from people like Weekes, concerning the ending, specific statements such as about the Mass Relays, "the Mass Relays overloaded not destroyed". Why make a distinction if it was all a dream? Times that many times and you're really left with face-value explanation or BW lieing with you.

They could have just overloaded in the vision.  Doesn't mean they actually overloaded in real life.

Modifié par Dwailing, 29 juin 2012 - 08:28 .

[Andromidius]

SubAstris wrote...
Comments from people like Weekes, concerning the ending, specific statements such as about the Mass Relays, "the Mass Relays overloaded not destroyed". Why make a distinction if it was all a dream? Times that many times and you're really left with face-value explanation or BW lieing with you.

Ignoring that the Relays clearly exploded, and they only came out and 'clarified' that they didn't after a ****storm was raised over it?  Yeah.  If no-one complained, they'd not have changed it.  They changed the endings considerably by 'clarifying' that.

SIGH.

[SubAstris]

Andromidius wrote...

Peytl wrote...
If you check the breathing scene, the cables are way too long to be re-bars.

And you ignore the obvious - THERE'S NO CONCRETE ON THE CITADEL.

You have to remember that the material of the Citadel hasn't really been expanded, only a rather vague description is given in ME1. To my knowledge, we have not seen it in a broken-up state either and so can't make a like-for-like comparison. Not to mention concrete-like material is indeed used for the Citadel's construction by the developers

[llbountyhunter]

Rifneno wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Peytl wrote...
If you check the breathing scene, the cables are way too long to be re-bars.

And you ignore the obvious - THERE'S NO CONCRETE ON THE CITADEL.

And the fact that it's unlikely can-barely-walk Shepard could survive being at ground zero of a 100+ kiloton explosion.

The destroy ending also disabled electronics.... so any "force field" keeping in air would've been disabled,  and and Shepard wouldn't be able to take a breath anyways.

[MaximizedAction]

Dwailing wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

i can only speak for myself, but as an IT supporter, I would much rather have BW just come out and say that they never intended IT, rather then leaving ambiguous so that we have to speculate indefinitely.

I know, then we could just say, frak it, and keep it as our headcanon for all eternity (Or until something comes out to clarify things even more, or something comes out that makes Rejection a viable choice.). 

SO BE IT is now my favorite ending.
Before it goes downhill, it's a 100% Shepard, my Shepard!

That's something I've been so desperately missing those last three months, that I even accept (nonsensical) defeat only to see my Shepard behaving like someone I know one last time.

[Peytl]

plfranke wrote...

Peytl wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

Peytl wrote...

Tbh, we just need to prove that Shep was on Citadel in the breathing scene, which can be proven by simple comparison of the cabels. This definitely destroys the IT premise that Shep is on the Earth. It's like card house, you remove one card and everything will just break down.

Can someone from IT believers explain me, why the hell would BW expand the "hallucinations"?

Okay, show me how a simple comparison of the cables shows Shepard is still on the Citadel.

I'll wait for the answer right here.

https://lh6.googleus...izr8GqlaLh2bYPU

If you check the breathing scene, the cables are way too long to be re-bars.

those cables on the citadel are too thick. on top of that there's nothing even close to the rubble in the breath scene on the citadel. it would really make me lose respect for bioware if shepard was on the citadel because it's so impossible that shepard would survive that explosion much less the crucible blast. and why wouldn't he have been found by the crews rebuilding the citadel?

Why is so important whether it is possible? It's up to writers to decide what main hero should survive. Did you see any action movie with Stallone or Bruce Willis? Some cabels are thick some not, there can be found more pictures of the cabels. I just chose this one.

[plfranke]

SubAstris wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Peytl wrote...

Tbh, we just need to prove that Shep was on Citadel in the breathing scene, which can be proven by simple comparison of the cabels. This definitely destroys the IT premise that Shep is on the Earth. It's like card house, you remove one card and everything will just break down.

Can someone from IT believers explain me, why the hell would BW expand the "hallucinations"?

Best answer is that they wanted to please everyone, which still makes no sense if IT was their true plan. Unless BW are deeply unprincipled in this respect.

If alot of people didn't like IT it males perfect sense for them to do what they did.

Why not just confirm the literal endings?

But I hear all the time that people love IT, your good friend Arian was quoted as saying 80% of people support IT.

They have done basically everything barring "IT is not true" to confirm the literal endings anyway (if you want to disagree, that's fine)

Give me a few examples of everything they've done to confirm that the endings are literal.  Go on, I'll wait right here.

Through their actions and comments which must assume a face-value interpretation. Also the fact that EC has nothing to do with IT with no discernable reason for that being the case if IT was their intention

I wanted specifics, not blanket statements like, "Through their actions and comments."  Please.

And when I say "please", I'm attempting to be polite, not making a sarcastic comment about your post. 

Comments from people like Weekes, concerning the ending, specific statements such as about the Mass Relays, "the Mass Relays overloaded not destroyed". Why make a distinction if it was all a dream? Times that many times and you're really left with face-value explanation or BW lieing with you.

I'll agree with you on this sub, I believe in IT because I don't want to believe that my story has so many terrible problems with it. However, even if it does turn out to be true at this point, I think they did it about as poorly as they could. Unless they've got something amazing up their sleeves this was just terrible handling of an otherwise great concept.

[Eryri]

Peytl wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Peytl wrote...
If you check the breathing scene, the cables are way too long to be re-bars.

And you ignore the obvious - THERE'S NO CONCRETE ON THE CITADEL.

Tell me what's on the Citadel? Does anyone knows? Do you know what is it? I'm not talking about concrete or any material but cabels.  Is it clear or shall I repeat?

You're right, we don't know. However Concrete would be a very odd building material to use for a space station, being heavy and brittle.

Seeing as how Bioware could have created any sort of rubble they wanted, I'm curious why they didn't just render a bunch of metal beams and sheets. That would have passed unnoticed.

[Xavendithas]

Peytl wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Peytl wrote...
If you check the breathing scene, the cables are way too long to be re-bars.

And you ignore the obvious - THERE'S NO CONCRETE ON THE CITADEL.

Tell me what's on the Citadel? Does anyone knows? Do you know what is it? I'm not talking about concrete or any material but cabels.  Is it clear or shall I repeat?

No, it is not clear. You are trying to explain something about a scene that has been made to look ambiguous.

[Turbo_J]

In fact, I'm taking a firm stand on that. Why do the relay explosions take place starting at Bahak if what is happening is really face value? Even if it is IT and all in Shep's head, why start there!? Could it be because that is the only time Shepard has ever seen a relay explode?

This in my opinion is the most damming evidence in support of IT. And it was left alone in the EC.

Modifié par Turbo_J, 29 juin 2012 - 08:32 .

[dreamgazer]

Peytl wrote...

Tell me what's on the Citadel? Does anyone knows? Do you know what is it? I'm not talking about concrete or any material but cabels.  Is it clear or shall I repeat?

Reaper cables are everywhere.  I'm not saying anything about the theory itself, really, but placing the destroy ending's breath scene location anywhere based solely on the cables isn't possible.  

[MegumiAzusa]

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

I've been thinking about something, and I just had a realization. There's clear evidence that Starbinger (I'm going to revive that.) is in Shepard's mind in some capacity. How do I know this? Because every time Shepard asks Starbinger what's going to happen if he chooses a certain ending, he see a vision of what the outcome will be. This is in addition to the visions of Anderson and TIM. Here's a video:

Not sure if this is premature, but seriously, any thoughts?

Sorry, I don't follow.

It's clear that SOMETHING is placing images in Shepard's mind.  How else could he SEE what was going to happen in each choice?  And it seems as if the only thing that could do that would be Starbinger.  And since Starbinger is probably Harbinger, that just suggests to me that the Reapers are in Shepard's mind.

Btw there is only one vision for blue and green, but two for red.
The interesting thing is also how the files are called: End002_Vis_RedVap, End002_Vis_RedBad, End002_Vis_BlueBad, End002_Vis_GreenGood.

Control has 2 visions as well. Synthesis has 1.

Control only has 1 vision.

[plfranke]

@peytl
lol that is the story right there of why the endings are so horrible, because the writers said the same thing you did. "Why is it so important it be possible?"

[Andromidius]

Peytl wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Peytl wrote...
If you check the breathing scene, the cables are way too long to be re-bars.

And you ignore the obvious - THERE'S NO CONCRETE ON THE CITADEL.

Tell me what's on the Citadel? Does anyone knows? Do you know what is it? I'm not talking about concrete or any material but cabels.  Is it clear or shall I repeat?

THERE'S CONCRETE IN THAT SCENE!

THEREFORE ITS NOT ON THE CITADEL!

Simple to understand?  Apperently not!  Ignore the bloody cables, they are everywhere in the game!  But concrete is not!  Concrete or similar material is only found on certain planets - and never on the Citadel.  Therefore the only logical conclusion is Shepard is on Earth - not on the Citadel.

Did you get that, or shall I repeat for you?

[insomniak9]

Another thing about the "Husk"-like shadows on the Control Room ceiling...

Once you get into the room, they turn into the Cerberus logo repeated over and over again.



I can go all night.

[lex0r11]

Hey people, what's the good word?

I hope all is well.

[EpyonX3]

Andromidius wrote...

SubAstris wrote...
Comments from people like Weekes, concerning the ending, specific statements such as about the Mass Relays, "the Mass Relays overloaded not destroyed". Why make a distinction if it was all a dream? Times that many times and you're really left with face-value explanation or BW lieing with you.

Ignoring that the Relays clearly exploded, and they only came out and 'clarified' that they didn't after a ****storm was raised over it?  Yeah.  If no-one complained, they'd not have changed it.  They changed the endings considerably by 'clarifying' that.

SIGH.

The relays still explode if you have low EMS.

[Peytl]

These cables are on the decision chamber machinery.

[MaximizedAction]

Turbo_J wrote...

In fact, I'm taking a firm stand on that. Why do the relay explosions take place starting at Bahak if what is happening is really face value? Even if it is IT and all in Shep's head, why start there!? Could it be because that is the only time Shepard has ever seen a relay explode?

This in my opinion is the most damming evidence in support of IT. And it was left alone in the EC.

Yeah, and while I know that one cannot observe a galaxy in very dinstinct ways, those relay 'explosions' look too much like the explosion that is visualised by the galaxy map in Arrival. Besides, it made me wonder back then, why did they show the explosion by Shepard watching it on the map?

Now the 'real' shockwaves look like the simulated one on the galaxy map...hmmm

[Xavendithas]

Peytl wrote...

These cables are on the decision chamber machinery.

Those cables can be seen in dozens of places throughout the games. They are not unique to the Citadel.

[MegumiAzusa]

insomniak9 wrote...

Another thing about the "Husk"-like shadows on the Control Room ceiling...

Once you get into the room, they turn into the Cerberus logo repeated over and over again.



I can go all night.

Seriously? You see a Cerberus logo there?

[EpyonX3]

Peytl wrote...

These cables are on the decision chamber machinery.

Yay that's from my video!

[Andromidius]

Turbo_J wrote...

In fact, I'm taking a firm stand on that. Why do the relay explosions take place starting at Bahak if what is happening is really face value? Even if it is IT and all in Shep's head, why start there!? Could it be because that is the only time Shepard has ever seen a relay explode?

This in my opinion is the most damming evidence in support of IT. And it was left alone in the EC.

Yeah, it starts at the one place we know there ISN'T a Relay anymore.  Regardless of if you took part in Arrival or not, the Bahak Relay has been obliterated.

Keeping that in screams something is wrong.  Shepard obviously shouldn't know about this networked explosion at all since he/she is a pile of ash right now, and thus any mental connection shouldn't be there - its purely a lightshow for the player.  And thus the player should (if they paid attention) think 'hang on, Earth isn't located there...  Why is the explosion starting somewhere else?'