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[Peytl]

Andromidius wrote...

Peytl wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Peytl wrote...
If you check the breathing scene, the cables are way too long to be re-bars.

And you ignore the obvious - THERE'S NO CONCRETE ON THE CITADEL.

Tell me what's on the Citadel? Does anyone knows? Do you know what is it? I'm not talking about concrete or any material but cabels.  Is it clear or shall I repeat?

THERE'S CONCRETE IN THAT SCENE!

THEREFORE ITS NOT ON THE CITADEL!

Simple to understand?  Apperently not!  Ignore the bloody cables, they are everywhere in the game!  But concrete is not!  Concrete or similar material is only found on certain planets - and never on the Citadel.  Therefore the only logical conclusion is Shepard is on Earth - not on the Citadel.

Did you get that, or shall I repeat for you?

So, there is no "concrete" or whatever because you say there isn't, right? I like this circle logic.
But we're talking cabels, face it, and tell me what's the difference between the cables.

[Eryri]

Turbo_J wrote...

In fact, I'm taking a firm stand on that. Why do the relay explosions take place starting at Bahak if what is happening is really face value? Even if it is IT and all in Shep's head, why start there!? Could it be because that is the only time Shepard has ever seen a relay explode?

This in my opinion is the most damming evidence in support of IT. And it was left alone in the EC.

Yeah this is a great one if true (I don't have a galaxy map so I'm not speaking from personal knowledge)

Bit of an oversight for Bioware to show a relay exploding in the one system we know doesn't have one any more eh? That's either very sloppy work, or very clever. I know I'd like to believe the latter.

[EpyonX3]

Xavendithas wrote...

Peytl wrote...

These cables are on the decision chamber machinery.

Those cables can be seen in dozens of places throughout the games. They are not unique to the Citadel.

But they're not in London, that's the key point. Why are we still debating this?

[MegumiAzusa]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Peytl wrote...

These cables are on the decision chamber machinery.

Yay that's from my video!

Yay no one cares!

[llbountyhunter]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Peytl wrote...
If you check the breathing scene, the cables are way too long to be re-bars.

And you ignore the obvious - THERE'S NO CONCRETE ON THE CITADEL.

And the fact that it's unlikely can-barely-walk Shepard could survive being at ground zero of a 100+ kiloton explosion.

The destroy ending also disabled electronics.... so any "force field" keeping in air would've been disabled,  and and Shepard wouldn't be able to take a breath anyways.

[paxxton]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

I've been thinking about something, and I just had a realization. There's clear evidence that Starbinger (I'm going to revive that.) is in Shepard's mind in some capacity. How do I know this? Because every time Shepard asks Starbinger what's going to happen if he chooses a certain ending, he see a vision of what the outcome will be. This is in addition to the visions of Anderson and TIM. Here's a video:

Not sure if this is premature, but seriously, any thoughts?

Sorry, I don't follow.

It's clear that SOMETHING is placing images in Shepard's mind.  How else could he SEE what was going to happen in each choice?  And it seems as if the only thing that could do that would be Starbinger.  And since Starbinger is probably Harbinger, that just suggests to me that the Reapers are in Shepard's mind.

Btw there is only one vision for blue and green, but two for red.
The interesting thing is also how the files are called: End002_Vis_RedVap, End002_Vis_RedBad, End002_Vis_BlueBad, End002_Vis_GreenGood.

Control has 2 visions as well. Synthesis has 1.

Control only has 1 vision.

First ->
Second -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8QX8rkQ508&t=552s

Modifié par paxxton, 29 juin 2012 - 08:39 .

[MaximizedAction]

insomniak9 wrote...

Another thing about the "Husk"-like shadows on the Control Room ceiling...

Once you get into the room, they turn into the Cerberus logo repeated over and over again.



I can go all night.

Sir, your powers of observation intrigue me!

Besides, that room also resembles TIM's office in more ways than should be statistically allowed (and I don't think  the Reapers made TIM design his office that way).

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 29 juin 2012 - 08:38 .

[dreamgazer]

Peytl wrote...

These cables are on the decision chamber machinery.

Yes, those are Reaper cables.  Same as the Reaper cables here, there, and everywhere!

No matter what, Shepard's somewhere with Reaper cables ... and broken concrete, and a curvy thing that looks like the cunduit.

[jgibson14352]

insomniak9 wrote...

Another thing about the "Husk"-like shadows on the Control Room ceiling...

Once you get into the room, they turn into the Cerberus logo repeated over and over again.



I can go all night.

HOLY FRIGGNUGGETS I NEVER SAW THAT BEFORE

[Xavendithas]

EpyonX3 wrote...

But they're not in London, that's the key point. Why are we still debating this?

Apparently the presence of the cables in the breath scene debunks IT.

[SubAstris]

plfranke wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Peytl wrote...

Tbh, we just need to prove that Shep was on Citadel in the breathing scene, which can be proven by simple comparison of the cabels. This definitely destroys the IT premise that Shep is on the Earth. It's like card house, you remove one card and everything will just break down.

Can someone from IT believers explain me, why the hell would BW expand the "hallucinations"?

Best answer is that they wanted to please everyone, which still makes no sense if IT was their true plan. Unless BW are deeply unprincipled in this respect.

If alot of people didn't like IT it males perfect sense for them to do what they did.

Why not just confirm the literal endings?

But I hear all the time that people love IT, your good friend Arian was quoted as saying 80% of people support IT.

They have done basically everything barring "IT is not true" to confirm the literal endings anyway (if you want to disagree, that's fine)

That's not true at all. First of all it's unfair to say because the biggest thing they could do to confirm is to say that IT isn't true, but there are other things as well. They made the scene where the normandy evacuates your squadmates ridiculous. They don't show anything about the breath scene. They kept the line from coates that everyone has been wiped out, yet somehow someone gives Hackett the intel that Shepard made it on to the citadel but then Hackett a few seconds later says "someone made it on". They kept the weird scene with Anderson and TIM and didn't do anything to show how they got on to the Citadel. There's a lot that's still very unexplained in the endings.

1) I'm not quite sure what you mean



2) I assume you think the lack of Normandy evacuation scene was ridiculous
before EC? I would agree, and I'm not too keen on the new one either. But I can
see why they did; the original was stupid, and BW did something about it,
although not to everyone's liking. They put time and effort into explaining how
your squadmates explained. This begs the questions of why they did it if IT is
true because its point would be null and void.



I'm not really going to answer the rest because its pretty standard IT fare,
and it's obvious what my position is on those matters. I'm not going to waste
your time.

Modifié par SubAstris, 29 juin 2012 - 08:39 .

[insomniak9]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

insomniak9 wrote...

Another thing about the "Husk"-like shadows on the Control Room ceiling...

Once you get into the room, they turn into the Cerberus logo repeated over and over again.



I can go all night.

Seriously? You see a Cerberus logo there?

Indeed I can.

[Dwailing]

lex0r11 wrote...

Hey people, what's the good word?

I hope all is well.

Oh, just trying to figure out how Shepard could have those visions of what the consequences of his choices will be in the dialogue with the Catalyst.  You know, these visions:   

[Turbo_J]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

In fact, I'm taking a firm stand on that. Why do the relay explosions take place starting at Bahak if what is happening is really face value? Even if it is IT and all in Shep's head, why start there!? Could it be because that is the only time Shepard has ever seen a relay explode?

This in my opinion is the most damming evidence in support of IT. And it was left alone in the EC.

Yeah, and while I know that one cannot observe a galaxy in very dinstinct ways, those relay 'explosions' look too much like the explosion that is visualised by the galaxy map in Arrival. Besides, it made me wonder back then, why did they show the explosion by Shepard watching it on the map?

Now the 'real' shockwaves look like the simulated one on the galaxy map...hmmm

Good obersavation and I noted it as well when I dicovered the edxplosion origin, but not the point. How can it be that the explosion ORIGINATES from Bahak and NOT Sol if they really do happen? If that 'scene' is in Shepards head - which it has to be, then nothing after it can possibly be real.

[llbountyhunter]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

Peytl wrote...

These cables are on the decision chamber machinery.

Those cables can be seen in dozens of places throughout the games. They are not unique to the Citadel.

But they're not in London, that's the key point. Why are we still debating this?

He's probably in/next to the shuttle were cables are prominent. 

[Andromidius]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Seriously? You see a Cerberus logo there?

Kinda, if I squint.  But that's probably a coincidence - seeing people is much more likely since the mind looks for those shapes and if Bioware spent plenty of time working on this scene then its logical to assume we're ment to see shadowy figures in the distance...

Not to mention it gives a good reason for there being a ramp leading up to the control panel.

[dreamgazer]

EpyonX3 wrote...

But they're not in London, that's the key point. Why are we still debating this?

Probably because it's selective confirmation either way.

[EpyonX3]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Peytl wrote...

These cables are on the decision chamber machinery.

Yay that's from my video!

Yay no one cares!

Well that was mean....

[MegumiAzusa]

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

I've been thinking about something, and I just had a realization. There's clear evidence that Starbinger (I'm going to revive that.) is in Shepard's mind in some capacity. How do I know this? Because every time Shepard asks Starbinger what's going to happen if he chooses a certain ending, he see a vision of what the outcome will be. This is in addition to the visions of Anderson and TIM. Here's a video:

Not sure if this is premature, but seriously, any thoughts?

Sorry, I don't follow.

It's clear that SOMETHING is placing images in Shepard's mind.  How else could he SEE what was going to happen in each choice?  And it seems as if the only thing that could do that would be Starbinger.  And since Starbinger is probably Harbinger, that just suggests to me that the Reapers are in Shepard's mind.

Btw there is only one vision for blue and green, but two for red.
The interesting thing is also how the files are called: End002_Vis_RedVap, End002_Vis_RedBad, End002_Vis_BlueBad, End002_Vis_GreenGood.

Control has 2 visions as well. Synthesis has 1.

Control only has 1 vision.

First ->
Second -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8QX8rkQ508&t=552s

I wasn't talking about the old visions showing TIM/Anderson, I was talking about the new visions showing you the results of these choices if you ask about them. End002_Vis_RedVap, End002_Vis_RedBad, End002_Vis_BlueBad, End002_Vis_GreenGood. Notice the naming.

[SubAstris]

Dwailing wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Peytl wrote...

Tbh, we just need to prove that Shep was on Citadel in the breathing scene, which can be proven by simple comparison of the cabels. This definitely destroys the IT premise that Shep is on the Earth. It's like card house, you remove one card and everything will just break down.

Can someone from IT believers explain me, why the hell would BW expand the "hallucinations"?

Best answer is that they wanted to please everyone, which still makes no sense if IT was their true plan. Unless BW are deeply unprincipled in this respect.

If alot of people didn't like IT it males perfect sense for them to do what they did.

Why not just confirm the literal endings?

But I hear all the time that people love IT, your good friend Arian was quoted as saying 80% of people support IT.

They have done basically everything barring "IT is not true" to confirm the literal endings anyway (if you want to disagree, that's fine)

Give me a few examples of everything they've done to confirm that the endings are literal.  Go on, I'll wait right here.

Through their actions and comments which must assume a face-value interpretation. Also the fact that EC has nothing to do with IT with no discernable reason for that being the case if IT was their intention

I wanted specifics, not blanket statements like, "Through their actions and comments."  Please.

And when I say "please", I'm attempting to be polite, not making a sarcastic comment about your post. 

Comments from people like Weekes, concerning the ending, specific statements such as about the Mass Relays, "the Mass Relays overloaded not destroyed". Why make a distinction if it was all a dream? Times that many times and you're really left with face-value explanation or BW lieing with you.

They could have just overloaded in the vision.  Doesn't mean they actually overloaded in real life.

I think you are missing the point. The fact that any distinction at all would be pointless in an IT interpretation

[Andromidius]

Peytl wrote...

So, there is no "concrete" or whatever because you say there isn't, right? I like this circle logic.
But we're talking cabels, face it, and tell me what's the difference between the cables.

No, because you never see concrete on the Citadel.  Go find me some and I'll retract the statement.

Its not circular logic, its fundamental logic - why should we be looking at cables that are repeatedly used everywhere in the galaxy, and ignore the huge broken slabs of concrete that are never found anywhere on the Citadel?

Forget it, I'm done.  You're blatantly a troll.

[plfranke]

Peytl wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Peytl wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Peytl wrote...
If you check the breathing scene, the cables are way too long to be re-bars.

And you ignore the obvious - THERE'S NO CONCRETE ON THE CITADEL.

Tell me what's on the Citadel? Does anyone knows? Do you know what is it? I'm not talking about concrete or any material but cabels.  Is it clear or shall I repeat?

THERE'S CONCRETE IN THAT SCENE!

THEREFORE ITS NOT ON THE CITADEL!

Simple to understand?  Apperently not!  Ignore the bloody cables, they are everywhere in the game!  But concrete is not!  Concrete or similar material is only found on certain planets - and never on the Citadel.  Therefore the only logical conclusion is Shepard is on Earth - not on the Citadel.

Did you get that, or shall I repeat for you?

So, there is no "concrete" or whatever because you say there isn't, right? I like this circle logic.
But we're talking cabels, face it, and tell me what's the difference between the cables.

obvious troll is obvious

[EpyonX3]

llbountyhunter wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

Peytl wrote...

These cables are on the decision chamber machinery.
*Pic from MY VIDEO (Take that Megumi!)*

Those cables can be seen in dozens of places throughout the games. They are not unique to the Citadel.

But they're not in London, that's the key point. Why are we still debating this?

He's probably in/next to the shuttle were cables are prominent. 

What Shuttle? There's no shuttle in the breathe scene, or any cables of that sort in any of the shuttles.

[Peytl]

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Peytl wrote...

These cables are on the decision chamber machinery.

Yay that's from my video!

Yay no one cares!

Well that was mean....

I give IT two months, then it'll die out by itself.

[MaximizedAction]

MegumiAzusa wrote...
I wasn't talking about the old visions showing TIM/Anderson, I was talking about the new visions showing you the results of these choices if you ask about them. End002_Vis_RedVap, End002_Vis_RedBad, End002_Vis_BlueBad, End002_Vis_GreenGood. Notice the naming.

What's worse? 'Bad' or 'Vaporised'?