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dreamgazer wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
But they're not in London, that's the key point. Why are we still debating this?
Probably because it's selective confirmation either way.
plfranke wrote...
obvious troll is obviousPeytl wrote...
Andromidius wrote...
Peytl wrote...
Andromidius wrote...
Peytl wrote...
If you check the breathing scene, the cables are way too long to be re-bars.
And you ignore the obvious - THERE'S NO CONCRETE ON THE CITADEL.
Tell me what's on the Citadel? Does anyone knows? Do you know what is it? I'm not talking about concrete or any material but cabels. Is it clear or shall I repeat?
THERE'S CONCRETE IN THAT SCENE!
THEREFORE ITS NOT ON THE CITADEL!
Simple to understand? Apperently not! Ignore the bloody cables, they are everywhere in the game! But concrete is not! Concrete or similar material is only found on certain planets - and never on the Citadel. Therefore the only logical conclusion is Shepard is on Earth - not on the Citadel.
Did you get that, or shall I repeat for you?
So, there is no "concrete" or whatever because you say there isn't, right? I like this circle logic.
But we're talking cabels, face it, and tell me what's the difference between the cables.
MaximizedAction wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
I wasn't talking about the old visions showing TIM/Anderson, I was talking about the new visions showing you the results of these choices if you ask about them. End002_Vis_RedVap, End002_Vis_RedBad, End002_Vis_BlueBad, End002_Vis_GreenGood. Notice the naming.
What's worse? 'Bad' or 'Vaporised'?
Vaporised sounds pretty finalMaximizedAction wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
I wasn't talking about the old visions showing TIM/Anderson, I was talking about the new visions showing you the results of these choices if you ask about them. End002_Vis_RedVap, End002_Vis_RedBad, End002_Vis_BlueBad, End002_Vis_GreenGood. Notice the naming.
What's worse? 'Bad' or 'Vaporised'?
Turbo_J wrote...
MaximizedAction wrote...
Turbo_J wrote...
In fact, I'm taking a firm stand on that. Why do the relay explosions take place starting at Bahak if what is happening is really face value? Even if it is IT and all in Shep's head, why start there!? Could it be because that is the only time Shepard has ever seen a relay explode?
This in my opinion is the most damming evidence in support of IT. And it was left alone in the EC.
Yeah, and while I know that one cannot observe a galaxy in very dinstinct ways, those relay 'explosions' look too much like the explosion that is visualised by the galaxy map in Arrival. Besides, it made me wonder back then, why did they show the explosion by Shepard watching it on the map?
Now the 'real' shockwaves look like the simulated one on the galaxy map...hmmm
Good obersavation and I noted it as well when I dicovered the edxplosion origin, but not the point. How can it be that the explosion ORIGINATES from Bahak and NOT Sol if they really do happen? If that 'scene' is in Shepards head - which it has to be, then nothing after it can possibly be real.
MaximizedAction wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
I wasn't talking about the old visions showing TIM/Anderson, I was talking about the new visions showing you the results of these choices if you ask about them. End002_Vis_RedVap, End002_Vis_RedBad, End002_Vis_BlueBad, End002_Vis_GreenGood. Notice the naming.
What's worse? 'Bad' or 'Vaporised'?
Peytl wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
Yay no one cares!EpyonX3 wrote...
Peytl wrote...
These cables are on the decision chamber machinery.
Yay that's from my video!
Well that was mean....
I give IT two months, then it'll die out by itself.
Modifié par Dwailing, 29 juin 2012 - 08:48 .
It's not a waste of my time. I wouldn't have responded to you if I didn't think you have something to contribute. I'm interested to hear what you have to say about the rest. But for the meantime I'll elaborate what I meant. I mean that if Bioware really wanted to disprove IT all they would have to do is say it's not true. It's that simple. If IT is true Bioware is using it as a tool to get people to continue to buy dlc for the future ending that will give the series a fitting end. My point about mentioning the Normandy evacuation is this. There was something stupid and instead of fixing it in a proper way, like hell maybe even a mako picking them up and turning around, anything would have been better than the Normandy flying into an active war zone and flying away while Harbinger is literally staring at them. They replaced something that was difficult to believe with something even harder to believe. However, they didn't fix things that were even worst in my mind like Anderson and TIM.SubAstris wrote...
plfranke wrote...
That's not true at all. First of all it's unfair to say because the biggest thing they could do to confirm is to say that IT isn't true, but there are other things as well. They made the scene where the normandy evacuates your squadmates ridiculous. They don't show anything about the breath scene. They kept the line from coates that everyone has been wiped out, yet somehow someone gives Hackett the intel that Shepard made it on to the citadel but then Hackett a few seconds later says "someone made it on". They kept the weird scene with Anderson and TIM and didn't do anything to show how they got on to the Citadel. There's a lot that's still very unexplained in the endings.SubAstris wrote...
llbountyhunter wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
Peytl wrote...
Tbh, we just need to prove that Shep was on Citadel in the breathing scene, which can be proven by simple comparison of the cabels. This definitely destroys the IT premise that Shep is on the Earth. It's like card house, you remove one card and everything will just break down.
Can someone from IT believers explain me, why the hell would BW expand the "hallucinations"?
Best answer is that they wanted to please everyone, which still makes no sense if IT was their true plan. Unless BW are deeply unprincipled in this respect.
If alot of people didn't like IT it males perfect sense for them to do what they did.
Why not just confirm the literal endings?
But I hear all the time that people love IT, your good friend Arian was quoted as saying 80% of people support IT.
They have done basically everything barring "IT is not true" to confirm the literal endings anyway (if you want to disagree, that's fine)
1) I'm not quite sure what you mean
2) I assume you think the lack of Normandy evacuation scene was ridiculous
before EC? I would agree, and I'm not too keen on the new one either. But I can
see why they did; the original was stupid, and BW did something about it,
although not to everyone's liking. They put time and effort into explaining how
your squadmates explained. This begs the questions of why they did it if IT is
true because its point would be null and void.
I'm not really going to answer the rest because its pretty standard IT fare,
and it's obvious what my position is on those matters. I'm not going to waste
your time.
Peytl wrote...
I'm not trolling. He's dodging the question, detracting from the point.
Eryri wrote...
Turbo_J wrote...
MaximizedAction wrote...
Turbo_J wrote...
In fact, I'm taking a firm stand on that. Why do the relay explosions take place starting at Bahak if what is happening is really face value? Even if it is IT and all in Shep's head, why start there!? Could it be because that is the only time Shepard has ever seen a relay explode?
This in my opinion is the most damming evidence in support of IT. And it was left alone in the EC.
Yeah, and while I know that one cannot observe a galaxy in very dinstinct ways, those relay 'explosions' look too much like the explosion that is visualised by the galaxy map in Arrival. Besides, it made me wonder back then, why did they show the explosion by Shepard watching it on the map?
Now the 'real' shockwaves look like the simulated one on the galaxy map...hmmm
Good obersavation and I noted it as well when I dicovered the edxplosion origin, but not the point. How can it be that the explosion ORIGINATES from Bahak and NOT Sol if they really do happen? If that 'scene' is in Shepards head - which it has to be, then nothing after it can possibly be real.
Not to mention that in order to see these explosions from our vantage point thousands of light years outside the galaxy, we'd suddenly have to be thousands of years in the future - speed of light being finite and all.
Nit picky I know, but if you will go and develop a game designed to appeal to science geeks....
Peytl wrote...
I give IT two months, then it'll die out by itself.
Modifié par dreamgazer, 29 juin 2012 - 08:50 .
Dwailing wrote...
Hey, anyone notice that Gamble, Merizan, etc. haven't made any ME related posts recently?
Dwailing wrote...
Hey, anyone notice that Gamble, Merizan, etc. haven't made any ME related posts recently?
plfranke wrote...
It's not a waste of my time. I wouldn't have responded to you if I didn't think you have something to contribute. I'm interested to hear what you have to say about the rest. But for the meantime I'll elaborate what I meant. I mean that if Bioware really wanted to disprove IT all they would have to do is say it's not true. It's that simple. If IT is true Bioware is using it as a tool to get people to continue to buy dlc for the future ending that will give the series a fitting end. My point about mentioning the Normandy evacuation is this. There was something stupid and instead of fixing it in a proper way, like hell maybe even a mako picking them up and turning around, anything would have been better than the Normandy flying into an active war zone and flying away while Harbinger is literally staring at them. They replaced something that was difficult to believe with something even harder to believe. However, they didn't fix things that were even worst in my mind like Anderson and TIM.SubAstris wrote...
plfranke wrote...
That's not true at all. First of all it's unfair to say because the biggest thing they could do to confirm is to say that IT isn't true, but there are other things as well. They made the scene where the normandy evacuates your squadmates ridiculous. They don't show anything about the breath scene. They kept the line from coates that everyone has been wiped out, yet somehow someone gives Hackett the intel that Shepard made it on to the citadel but then Hackett a few seconds later says "someone made it on". They kept the weird scene with Anderson and TIM and didn't do anything to show how they got on to the Citadel. There's a lot that's still very unexplained in the endings.SubAstris wrote...
llbountyhunter wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
Peytl wrote...
Tbh, we just need to prove that Shep was on Citadel in the breathing scene, which can be proven by simple comparison of the cabels. This definitely destroys the IT premise that Shep is on the Earth. It's like card house, you remove one card and everything will just break down.
Can someone from IT believers explain me, why the hell would BW expand the "hallucinations"?
Best answer is that they wanted to please everyone, which still makes no sense if IT was their true plan. Unless BW are deeply unprincipled in this respect.
If alot of people didn't like IT it males perfect sense for them to do what they did.
Why not just confirm the literal endings?
But I hear all the time that people love IT, your good friend Arian was quoted as saying 80% of people support IT.
They have done basically everything barring "IT is not true" to confirm the literal endings anyway (if you want to disagree, that's fine)
1) I'm not quite sure what you mean
2) I assume you think the lack of Normandy evacuation scene was ridiculous
before EC? I would agree, and I'm not too keen on the new one either. But I can
see why they did; the original was stupid, and BW did something about it,
although not to everyone's liking. They put time and effort into explaining how
your squadmates explained. This begs the questions of why they did it if IT is
true because its point would be null and void.
I'm not really going to answer the rest because its pretty standard IT fare,
and it's obvious what my position is on those matters. I'm not going to waste
your time.
MaximizedAction wrote...
Eryri wrote...
Not to mention that in order to see these explosions from our vantage point thousands of light years outside the galaxy, we'd suddenly have to be thousands of years in the future - speed of light being finite and all.
Nit picky I know, but if you will go and develop a game designed to appeal to science geeks....
I'm proud to be on a thread and community that has people posting things like this!
Modifié par Eryri, 29 juin 2012 - 08:51 .
Nope, only these 4, something like End002_Vis_RedGood and End002_Vis_BlueGood doesn't exist.EpyonX3 wrote...
MaximizedAction wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
I wasn't talking about the old visions showing TIM/Anderson, I was talking about the new visions showing you the results of these choices if you ask about them. End002_Vis_RedVap, End002_Vis_RedBad, End002_Vis_BlueBad, End002_Vis_GreenGood. Notice the naming.
What's worse? 'Bad' or 'Vaporised'?
Is there a "Vis" for destroy good?
The last from Jessica was yesterday.Dwailing wrote...
Hey, anyone notice that Gamble, Merizan, etc. haven't made any ME related posts recently?
Andromidius wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
Hey, anyone notice that Gamble, Merizan, etc. haven't made any ME related posts recently?
I did notice that, actually. Probably letting people mull over it before answering questions.
Okay, doubtful as that it, I do get the feeling that we'll end up with more info on the Leviathan DLC if nothing else.
Dwailing wrote...
Hey, anyone notice that Gamble, Merizan, etc. haven't made any ME related posts recently?
Andromidius wrote...
Peytl wrote...
I'm not trolling. He's dodging the question, detracting from the point.
If you're not trolling, then I fear for humanity.
I'm not dodging the question AT ALL. The cables, as I and others have said, have appeared EVERYWHERE.
Concrete, which is clearly shown in that scene moreso then the cables, IS NOT EVERYWHERE.
So we narrow down where we find concrete to planets, but not space stations. The Citadel is a space station, and we never see concrete on there (and certainly none where the decision chamber is). Thus the breath scene cannot be here. And thus Shepard has to be somewhere else - and the last place where concrete (and Reaper tech) was present was...
EARTH!
And thus IT has additional evidence to support it.
End of.
Eryri wrote...
Turbo_J wrote...
MaximizedAction wrote...
Turbo_J wrote...
In fact, I'm taking a firm stand on that. Why do the relay explosions take place starting at Bahak if what is happening is really face value? Even if it is IT and all in Shep's head, why start there!? Could it be because that is the only time Shepard has ever seen a relay explode?
This in my opinion is the most damming evidence in support of IT. And it was left alone in the EC.
Yeah, and while I know that one cannot observe a galaxy in very dinstinct ways, those relay 'explosions' look too much like the explosion that is visualised by the galaxy map in Arrival. Besides, it made me wonder back then, why did they show the explosion by Shepard watching it on the map?
Now the 'real' shockwaves look like the simulated one on the galaxy map...hmmm
Good obersavation and I noted it as well when I dicovered the edxplosion origin, but not the point. How can it be that the explosion ORIGINATES from Bahak and NOT Sol if they really do happen? If that 'scene' is in Shepards head - which it has to be, then nothing after it can possibly be real.
Not to mention that in order to see these explosions from our vantage point thousands of light years outside the galaxy, we'd suddenly have to be thousands of years in the future - speed of light being finite and all.
Nit picky I know, but if you will go and develop a game designed to appeal to science geeks....
EpyonX3 wrote...
plfranke wrote...
It's not a waste of my time. I wouldn't have responded to you if I didn't think you have something to contribute. I'm interested to hear what you have to say about the rest. But for the meantime I'll elaborate what I meant. I mean that if Bioware really wanted to disprove IT all they would have to do is say it's not true. It's that simple. If IT is true Bioware is using it as a tool to get people to continue to buy dlc for the future ending that will give the series a fitting end. My point about mentioning the Normandy evacuation is this. There was something stupid and instead of fixing it in a proper way, like hell maybe even a mako picking them up and turning around, anything would have been better than the Normandy flying into an active war zone and flying away while Harbinger is literally staring at them. They replaced something that was difficult to believe with something even harder to believe. However, they didn't fix things that were even worst in my mind like Anderson and TIM.
They don't deny it because you will all stop playing ME3 instead of replaying it looking for clues. They don't confirm it because it's not what they intended. Why can't people see this?
Better question, how many games have most of us passed on because we were too busy playing ME3?
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