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[Andromidius]

dreamgazer wrote...

plfranke wrote...

I want an ITer to tell me why Bioware wouldn't confirm IT from a business standpoint if it was their intention.

Ambiguity.  Mystery.  Intrigue.  Varied outlooks and interpretations.

One word.  Hype.

[insomniak9]

 I've just realised they added the short cinematic of the Dreadnought getting eaten by a Reaper to remind you what the Dreadnought Cannons look like, coz you're gonna see them again pretty soon on the so-called "Citadel" 

[MaximizedAction]

Dwailing wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

look, i know people are going to argue wit me about this, and with good reason, and frankly i dont believe it either, but jessica merizan has been tweeting several things like, the ending you come up with is better than what we could have done, stuff that suggests they want each person to do their job for them and envision the ending they want. i think its total crap for an entertainment company to even suggest this, but its still an idea that haunts my mind

Honestly, at this point, if the fans are writting the endings, then I get the feeling that ME3 is in good hands.  You know why?  Because unless there's something else going on, then the writers on the ME3 team have proven themselves unbelievably incompetent, while the fans (I.E. Us.), have done a much better job (IMHO).  Honestly, if they really think that Synthesis is the best ending, then they need their collective heads examined.

And don't forget how now, also free will always leads to failure!

[EpyonX3]

Andromidius wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...
Not only are the cables above your head when you pick destroy, they are nowhere in London levels. SO if he's on earth, where'd the cables come from? No maybe's, probably's or could haves. Seriously, can anyone point them out anywhere near the beam or london at all?

Cables are easier to find themselves in places then huge lumps of concrete.

Not to mention its not confirmed if those are cables and not rebar.

And regardless, even if it was Reaper cable and thus proves its not on Earth - ITS STILL NOT ON THE CITADEL!

How many times does this need to be said?  How many times?  Do you not understand basic logic?  The breathe scene is NOT on the Citadel!

I confirmed that they were cables a long time ago. Adjusting the lighting reveals the cable strands in between the gaps. It's not rebar.

And it's funny that you say they're not clumped when they wrap around the structure above your head in destroy.

[Dwailing]

Wolfram Tarant wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

You see, if they would confirm that IT isn't true, then in a weird way, I might be more able to replay ME3.  You know why?  Because I wouldn't spend my WHOLE LIFE on this thread.  Come on Bioware!  You're making it impossible for me to do anything other than eating, sleeping, and trying to figure out what's going on!

This.

As someone with an obsessive personality, IT is unhealthy for me if it's left open for speculation

Well, depending on the topic, I think I have the same problem.  You heard it here first Bioware.  If you guys don't confirm IT, at least two people will wither away and DIE.  Or at least not have a life. 

[im commander shep]

Dwailing wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Hey people, what's the good word?

I hope all is well.

Oh, just trying to figure out how Shepard could have those visions of what the consequences of his choices will be in the dialogue with the Catalyst.  You know, these visions:   

Exactly the same way we have the cut scenes of the rebuilding, krogan babies and the fixed citadel and then the breath shot of shepard in rubble: so whats going on has he been waiting while the galaxy rebuilds before being found. The whole ending is out of sinc once the cut pictures start. I don't think anytime has passed during the cut scene pics and the voice overs, we are just seeing an example of what is in store for the galaxy.

[MaximizedAction]

dreamgazer wrote...

plfranke wrote...

I want an ITer to tell me why Bioware wouldn't confirm IT from a business standpoint if it was their intention.

Ambiguity.  Mystery.  Intrigue.  Varied outlooks and interpretations.

Speculation!

from Bioware Kline.

[Andromidius]

Peytl wrote...

Andromidius wrote...
I guess you know the difference between everywhere and somewhere. I wonder who's trying to troll here.

Hahahaha...you're funny.

No, really, you're hilarious.  Well done.  Amazing job.  Comedy gold.

Modifié par Andromidius, 29 juin 2012 - 09:03 .

[Xavendithas]

Dwailing wrote...

Wolfram Tarant wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

You see, if they would confirm that IT isn't true, then in a weird way, I might be more able to replay ME3.  You know why?  Because I wouldn't spend my WHOLE LIFE on this thread.  Come on Bioware!  You're making it impossible for me to do anything other than eating, sleeping, and trying to figure out what's going on!

This.

As someone with an obsessive personality, IT is unhealthy for me if it's left open for speculation

Well, depending on the topic, I think I have the same problem.  You heard it here first Bioware.  If you guys don't confirm IT, at least two people will wither away and DIE.  Or at least not have a life. 

You can add me to that list. My friends are sick of my mumbling constantly about IT.

[EpyonX3]

insomniak9 wrote...

 I've just realised they added the short cinematic of the Dreadnought getting eaten by a Reaper to remind you what the Dreadnought Cannons look like, coz you're gonna see them again pretty soon on the so-called "Citadel" 

If you mean the 1M1 structrures, then they are antenna and where in ME1 with the backward writting.

[Dwailing]

insomniak9 wrote...

 I've just realised they added the short cinematic of the Dreadnought getting eaten by a Reaper to remind you what the Dreadnought Cannons look like, coz you're gonna see them again pretty soon on the so-called "Citadel" 

And based on some research done by Megumi and I (She made the video and I watched it.), we're pretty certain that, based on the sounds in the endings, that dreadnought blows up anyway.  Here's the video:  

[jgibson14352]

dreamgazer wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

look, i know people are going to argue wit me about this, and with good reason, and frankly i dont believe it either, but jessica merizan has been tweeting several things like, the ending you come up with is better than what we could have done, stuff that suggests they want each person to do their job for them and envision the ending they want. i think its total crap for an entertainment company to even suggest this, but its still an idea that haunts my mind

I honestly don't see anything wrong with that.   It needed to be done with a bit more polish and a firmer suggestive hand, but doing so engages the mind and allows for many, many different players to sketch out their viewpoints on what happened after concrete events.

theyre an entertainment company that we pay good money to use their imaginations to entertain us. i dont know why i paid 96 bucks for the collectors edition if i have to think up my own ending, its bull. i dont have the time or the creativity to read or write a fanfic, and d*mnit i want at least the possibility of a happy ending

[Dwailing]

Xavendithas wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Wolfram Tarant wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

You see, if they would confirm that IT isn't true, then in a weird way, I might be more able to replay ME3.  You know why?  Because I wouldn't spend my WHOLE LIFE on this thread.  Come on Bioware!  You're making it impossible for me to do anything other than eating, sleeping, and trying to figure out what's going on!

This.

As someone with an obsessive personality, IT is unhealthy for me if it's left open for speculation

Well, depending on the topic, I think I have the same problem.  You heard it here first Bioware.  If you guys don't confirm IT, at least two people will wither away and DIE.  Or at least not have a life. 

You can add me to that list. My friends are sick of my mumbling constantly about IT.

Even worse, I'm still in highschool and living with my parents, and THEY'RE sick of my constant talking about IT, which is a little rough when you're homeschooled. 

Edit: Also, at this point, if I don't graduate, I'm blaming BW.   I am, of course, planning to graduate.  To quote EDI, "That was a joke."

Modifié par Dwailing, 29 juin 2012 - 09:06 .

[Andromidius]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...
Not only are the cables above your head when you pick destroy, they are nowhere in London levels. SO if he's on earth, where'd the cables come from? No maybe's, probably's or could haves. Seriously, can anyone point them out anywhere near the beam or london at all?

Cables are easier to find themselves in places then huge lumps of concrete.

Not to mention its not confirmed if those are cables and not rebar.

And regardless, even if it was Reaper cable and thus proves its not on Earth - ITS STILL NOT ON THE CITADEL!

How many times does this need to be said?  How many times?  Do you not understand basic logic?  The breathe scene is NOT on the Citadel!

I confirmed that they were cables a long time ago. Adjusting the lighting reveals the cable strands in between the gaps. It's not rebar.

And it's funny that you say they're not clumped when they wrap around the structure above your head in destroy.

I never said they weren't clumped.

I'm saying cables are found all over the galaxy.  But concrete is not.

Seriously, am I still arguing this basic point with you two?  Because honestly if you still don't understand it then there's no hope for you at all.

Therefore I'm done with you both.  I will not respond to insane troll logic anymore.

[insomniak9]

EpyonX3 wrote...

insomniak9 wrote...

 I've just realised they added the short cinematic of the Dreadnought getting eaten by a Reaper to remind you what the Dreadnought Cannons look like, coz you're gonna see them again pretty soon on the so-called "Citadel" 

If you mean the 1M1 structrures, then they are antenna and where in ME1 with the backward writting.

Where were they in ME1?

[paxxton]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Reposting for MegumiAzusa. There are 2 visions in Control, not 1.

paxxton wrote...

First ->
Second ->

And you were still ignoring my post. I didn't include the TIM vision because it's irrelevant to the point I made.

In Destroy:

First -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8QX8rkQ508&t=439s
Second -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8QX8rkQ508&t=480s

Modifié par paxxton, 29 juin 2012 - 09:05 .

[plfranke]

Andromidius wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

plfranke wrote...

I want an ITer to tell me why Bioware wouldn't confirm IT from a business standpoint if it was their intention.

Ambiguity.  Mystery.  Intrigue.  Varied outlooks and interpretations.

One word.  Hype.

you have hype... more than you think. the fact that you are here on this thread proves it.

[SubAstris]

plfranke wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

plfranke wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Peytl wrote...

Tbh, we just need to prove that Shep was on Citadel in the breathing scene, which can be proven by simple comparison of the cabels. This definitely destroys the IT premise that Shep is on the Earth. It's like card house, you remove one card and everything will just break down.

Can someone from IT believers explain me, why the hell would BW expand the "hallucinations"?

Best answer is that they wanted to please everyone, which still makes no sense if IT was their true plan. Unless BW are deeply unprincipled in this respect.

If alot of people didn't like IT it males perfect sense for them to do what they did.

Why not just confirm the literal endings?

But I hear all the time that people love IT, your good friend Arian was quoted as saying 80% of people support IT.

They have done basically everything barring "IT is not true" to confirm the literal endings anyway (if you want to disagree, that's fine)

That's not true at all. First of all it's unfair to say because the biggest thing they could do to confirm is to say that IT isn't true, but there are other things as well. They made the scene where the normandy evacuates your squadmates ridiculous. They don't show anything about the breath scene. They kept the line from coates that everyone has been wiped out, yet somehow someone gives Hackett the intel that Shepard made it on to the citadel but then Hackett a few seconds later says "someone made it on". They kept the weird scene with Anderson and TIM and didn't do anything to show how they got on to the Citadel. There's a lot that's still very unexplained in the endings.

1) I'm not quite sure what you mean



2) I assume you think the lack of Normandy evacuation scene was ridiculous
before EC? I would agree, and I'm not too keen on the new one either. But I can
see why they did; the original was stupid, and BW did something about it,
although not to everyone's liking. They put time and effort into explaining how
your squadmates explained. This begs the questions of why they did it if IT is
true because its point would be null and void.



I'm not really going to answer the rest because its pretty standard IT fare,
and it's obvious what my position is on those matters. I'm not going to waste
your time.

It's not a waste of my time. I wouldn't have responded to you if I didn't think you have something to contribute. I'm interested to hear what you have to say about the rest. But for the meantime I'll elaborate what I meant. I mean that if Bioware really wanted to disprove IT all they would have to do is say it's not true. It's that simple. If IT is true Bioware is using it as a tool to get people to continue to buy dlc for the future ending that will give the series a fitting end. My point about mentioning the Normandy evacuation is this. There was something stupid and instead of fixing it in a proper way, like hell maybe even a mako picking them up and turning around, anything would have been better than the Normandy flying into an active war zone and flying away while Harbinger is literally staring at them. They replaced something that was difficult to believe with something even harder to believe. However, they didn't fix things that were even worst in my mind like Anderson and TIM.

Ok, in that case I will have a "go".

1) I'm not sure what you mean about the Breath Scene

2) In war-like scenarios, information changes very quickly. I am not that surprised that one minute they learn one thing, and the next something different. It is needed for the plot after all.

3) As for how they got to the Citadel, Anderson is explained as going up the beam as well, but landing in another place. My personal opinion is that they did this to add suspense (crude but effective). As for TIM's entrance being weird, think about games you have played in the past. I bet you can remember occasions where someone appears to come from nowhere. It's a common sight in games. We know already that TIM is on the Citadel, so when we meet him it's not that strange. If they wanted to make it really weird, they could have not put that in

I would like to first say that hopes of there being a future DLC for IT are very low considering BW's comments on the subject (you might want to look over a few of my posts in the previous page or two to see my view).

My view on the Normandy scene is that they put emotional appeal above the plot. A lot of people really liked that scene, I didn't because I was thinking, "this is not the time for sentimentality!". I don't think it is great evidence for IT though because I have seen similar things happen in other films, games. I can understand completely why BW would put it in without IT.

[dreamgazer]

jgibson14352 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

look, i know people are going to argue wit me about this, and with good reason, and frankly i dont believe it either, but jessica merizan has been tweeting several things like, the ending you come up with is better than what we could have done, stuff that suggests they want each person to do their job for them and envision the ending they want. i think its total crap for an entertainment company to even suggest this, but its still an idea that haunts my mind

I honestly don't see anything wrong with that.   It needed to be done with a bit more polish and a firmer suggestive hand, but doing so engages the mind and allows for many, many different players to sketch out their viewpoints on what happened after concrete events.

theyre an entertainment company that we pay good money to use their imaginations to entertain us. i dont know why i paid 96 bucks for the collectors edition if i have to think up my own ending, its bull. i dont have the time or the creativity to read or write a fanfic, and d*mnit i want at least the possibility of a happy ending

Eh, that's another thread for another time.  But I derived happiness from my ending.  It was the bittersweet they were going for from the start, and it was more complex than people give them credit for. Flawed, but better. 

[Wolfram Tarant]

Dwailing wrote...

Wolfram Tarant wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

You see, if they would confirm that IT isn't true, then in a weird way, I might be more able to replay ME3.  You know why?  Because I wouldn't spend my WHOLE LIFE on this thread.  Come on Bioware!  You're making it impossible for me to do anything other than eating, sleeping, and trying to figure out what's going on!

This.

As someone with an obsessive personality, IT is unhealthy for me if it's left open for speculation

Well, depending on the topic, I think I have the same problem.  You heard it here first Bioware.  If you guys don't confirm IT, at least two people will wither away and DIE.  Or at least not have a life. 

True facts! In all seriousness though, a break from... speculating would be nice. I'm considering another trilogy playthrough but frankly I haven't been able to motivate myself

[plfranke]

Yeah Andromidus I don't understand what people don't get. It's going to be a lot easier for Bioware to explain where that one piece of rebar/cable came from rather than all the concrete that's around Shepard. Or the Reaper noises in the background for that matter.

[dreamgazer]

Man, SubAstris, you really do love to ask the same questions and say the same things over and over again, don't you?

[Dwailing]

Wolfram Tarant wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Wolfram Tarant wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

You see, if they would confirm that IT isn't true, then in a weird way, I might be more able to replay ME3.  You know why?  Because I wouldn't spend my WHOLE LIFE on this thread.  Come on Bioware!  You're making it impossible for me to do anything other than eating, sleeping, and trying to figure out what's going on!

This.

As someone with an obsessive personality, IT is unhealthy for me if it's left open for speculation

Well, depending on the topic, I think I have the same problem.  You heard it here first Bioware.  If you guys don't confirm IT, at least two people will wither away and DIE.  Or at least not have a life. 

True facts! In all seriousness though, a break from... speculating would be nice. I'm considering another trilogy playthrough but frankly I haven't been able to motivate myself

Yeah, I keep PLANNING to take a break from speculations, but I can just never stay away.  Curse you Bioware for making such a great ending! 

[insomniak9]

Dwailing wrote...

insomniak9 wrote...

 I've just realised they added the short cinematic of the Dreadnought getting eaten by a Reaper to remind you what the Dreadnought Cannons look like, coz you're gonna see them again pretty soon on the so-called "Citadel" 

And based on some research done by Megumi and I (She made the video and I watched it.), we're pretty certain that, based on the sounds in the endings, that dreadnought blows up anyway.  Here's the video:  

I mean this one, at 05:00. It comes in the new cutscene between entering the Conduit, and flying out in the Collector Base room.

[EpyonX3]

Andromidius wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...
Not only are the cables above your head when you pick destroy, they are nowhere in London levels. SO if he's on earth, where'd the cables come from? No maybe's, probably's or could haves. Seriously, can anyone point them out anywhere near the beam or london at all?

Cables are easier to find themselves in places then huge lumps of concrete.

Not to mention its not confirmed if those are cables and not rebar.

And regardless, even if it was Reaper cable and thus proves its not on Earth - ITS STILL NOT ON THE CITADEL!

How many times does this need to be said?  How many times?  Do you not understand basic logic?  The breathe scene is NOT on the Citadel!

I confirmed that they were cables a long time ago. Adjusting the lighting reveals the cable strands in between the gaps. It's not rebar.

And it's funny that you say they're not clumped when they wrap around the structure above your head in destroy.

I never said they weren't clumped.

I'm saying cables are found all over the galaxy.  But concrete is not.

Seriously, am I still arguing this basic point with you two?  Because honestly if you still don't understand it then there's no hope for you at all.

Therefore I'm done with you both.  I will not respond to insane troll logic anymore.

That's not true at all. But I'm not going into concrete.

I'm talking about the cable. It's on the Citadel and not on earth. But it's used to validate IT. Do you not see the problem?