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[Dwailing]

insomniak9 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

insomniak9 wrote...

 I've just realised they added the short cinematic of the Dreadnought getting eaten by a Reaper to remind you what the Dreadnought Cannons look like, coz you're gonna see them again pretty soon on the so-called "Citadel" 

And based on some research done by Megumi and I (She made the video and I watched it.), we're pretty certain that, based on the sounds in the endings, that dreadnought blows up anyway.  Here's the video:  

I mean this one, at 05:00. It comes in the new cutscene between entering the Conduit, and flying out in the Collector Base room.

Oh yeah, THAT dreadnought.  Still, my point still stands.

[Rifneno]

plfranke wrote...

Yeah Andromidus I don't understand what people don't get. It's going to be a lot easier for Bioware to explain where that one piece of rebar/cable came from rather than all the concrete that's around Shepard. Or the Reaper noises in the background for that matter.

Or the wind.  You know what has very little wind?  Outer space.

[Xavendithas]

dreamgazer wrote...

Man, SubAstris, you really do love to ask the same questions and say the same things over and over again, don't you?

Yeah, is a constant circular conversation with SubAstris.

[EpyonX3]

insomniak9 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

insomniak9 wrote...

 I've just realised they added the short cinematic of the Dreadnought getting eaten by a Reaper to remind you what the Dreadnought Cannons look like, coz you're gonna see them again pretty soon on the so-called "Citadel" 

If you mean the 1M1 structrures, then they are antenna and where in ME1 with the backward writting.

Where were they in ME1?

Climbing the Citadel Tower when Sovereign makes it to the Citadel.

[Dwailing]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...
Not only are the cables above your head when you pick destroy, they are nowhere in London levels. SO if he's on earth, where'd the cables come from? No maybe's, probably's or could haves. Seriously, can anyone point them out anywhere near the beam or london at all?

Cables are easier to find themselves in places then huge lumps of concrete.

Not to mention its not confirmed if those are cables and not rebar.

And regardless, even if it was Reaper cable and thus proves its not on Earth - ITS STILL NOT ON THE CITADEL!

How many times does this need to be said?  How many times?  Do you not understand basic logic?  The breathe scene is NOT on the Citadel!

I confirmed that they were cables a long time ago. Adjusting the lighting reveals the cable strands in between the gaps. It's not rebar.

And it's funny that you say they're not clumped when they wrap around the structure above your head in destroy.

I never said they weren't clumped.

I'm saying cables are found all over the galaxy.  But concrete is not.

Seriously, am I still arguing this basic point with you two?  Because honestly if you still don't understand it then there's no hope for you at all.

Therefore I'm done with you both.  I will not respond to insane troll logic anymore.

That's not true at all. But I'm not going into concrete.

I'm talking about the cable. It's on the Citadel and not on earth. But it's used to validate IT. Do you not see the problem?

At this point, we can't definitively state that there are cables on Earth.  However, you cannot state definitively that there is concrete on the Citadel, so it could swing either way.

[Rifneno]

Xavendithas wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Man, SubAstris, you really do love to ask the same questions and say the same things over and over again, don't you?

Yeah, is a constant circular conversation with SubAstris.

It's like chatting with a poorly programmed version of Cleverbot.

[MegumiAzusa]

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Reposting for MegumiAzusa. There are 2 visions in Control, not 1.

paxxton wrote...

First ->
Second ->

And you were still ignoring my post. I didn't include the TIM vision because it's irrelevant to the point I made.

In Destroy:

First -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8QX8rkQ508&t=439s
Second -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8QX8rkQ508&t=480s

Not sure if trolling...

[paxxton]

@EpyonX3: So when will you post new pics to indoctrinate?

Modifié par paxxton, 29 juin 2012 - 09:14 .

[insomniak9]

Ah, I see what you're saying about THAT Dreadnought.

[Dwailing]

Rifneno wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Yeah Andromidus I don't understand what people don't get. It's going to be a lot easier for Bioware to explain where that one piece of rebar/cable came from rather than all the concrete that's around Shepard. Or the Reaper noises in the background for that matter.

Or the wind.  You know what has very little wind?  Outer space.

And considering that the place, oh, I don't know, just frakking EXPLODED!!! I doubt there's any wind left on the Citadel.

[paxxton]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Reposting for MegumiAzusa. There are 2 visions in Control, not 1.

paxxton wrote...

First ->
Second ->

And you were still ignoring my post. I didn't include the TIM vision because it's irrelevant to the point I made.

In Destroy:

First -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8QX8rkQ508&t=439s
Second -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8QX8rkQ508&t=480s

Not sure if trolling...

So what was your point?

[SubAstris]

Turbo_J wrote...

plfranke wrote...

I want an ITer to tell me why Bioware wouldn't confirm IT from a business standpoint if it was their intention.

Spoilers and the end of speculation.

Speculation keeps the game hot. Once the first few DLCs come out that provide more clues as to what is going on, it will probably get even hotter, and more positive.

They've driven up the desire for fans need of closure and 'a better end' for Shepard. Dead good or alive good; followed by real closure to Shep's arch with a decent codex narration of events - say 5-10 years into the future. Can't go much more than that if even that far given they may want to pick up ME4 very shortly after the war. There will be a lot of cleaning up and rebuilding to do.

That might be true amongst ITers, but for the ME player base at large, most have got the closure they needed through EC anyway. Hence why numbers of ITers have fallen in the wake of it.

Do you really think they will be able to keep up the hype until, at the very least, 2017 when no one is playing ME3? And we know ME4 won't be about Shepard anyway so that goes out the window

[Wolfram Tarant]

Dwailing wrote...

Yeah, I keep PLANNING to take a break from speculations, but I can just never stay away.  Curse you Bioware for making such a great ending! 

Haha exactly. Also considering playing Dragon Age finally, maybe that would be the best course of action here....

Anyways, I'm out for today, have fun speculating everyone

[insomniak9]

EpyonX3 wrote...

insomniak9 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

insomniak9 wrote...

 I've just realised they added the short cinematic of the Dreadnought getting eaten by a Reaper to remind you what the Dreadnought Cannons look like, coz you're gonna see them again pretty soon on the so-called "Citadel" 

If you mean the 1M1 structrures, then they are antenna and where in ME1 with the backward writting.

Where were they in ME1?

Climbing the Citadel Tower when Sovereign makes it to the Citadel.

The structures that look like Cannons aimed at Husks don't actually have 1m1 on them...

[EpyonX3]

Dwailing wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...
Not only are the cables above your head when you pick destroy, they are nowhere in London levels. SO if he's on earth, where'd the cables come from? No maybe's, probably's or could haves. Seriously, can anyone point them out anywhere near the beam or london at all?

Cables are easier to find themselves in places then huge lumps of concrete.

Not to mention its not confirmed if those are cables and not rebar.

And regardless, even if it was Reaper cable and thus proves its not on Earth - ITS STILL NOT ON THE CITADEL!

How many times does this need to be said?  How many times?  Do you not understand basic logic?  The breathe scene is NOT on the Citadel!

I confirmed that they were cables a long time ago. Adjusting the lighting reveals the cable strands in between the gaps. It's not rebar.

And it's funny that you say they're not clumped when they wrap around the structure above your head in destroy.

I never said they weren't clumped.

I'm saying cables are found all over the galaxy.  But concrete is not.

Seriously, am I still arguing this basic point with you two?  Because honestly if you still don't understand it then there's no hope for you at all.

Therefore I'm done with you both.  I will not respond to insane troll logic anymore.

That's not true at all. But I'm not going into concrete.

I'm talking about the cable. It's on the Citadel and not on earth. But it's used to validate IT. Do you not see the problem?

At this point, we can't definitively state that there are cables on Earth.  However, you cannot state definitively that there is concrete on the Citadel, so it could swing either way.

Yes I can. It's all around you. It's even right above your head. The reason people don't want to believe that it's concrete is because it goes against IT. That's it.

[Dwailing]

SubAstris wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

plfranke wrote...

I want an ITer to tell me why Bioware wouldn't confirm IT from a business standpoint if it was their intention.

Spoilers and the end of speculation.

Speculation keeps the game hot. Once the first few DLCs come out that provide more clues as to what is going on, it will probably get even hotter, and more positive.

They've driven up the desire for fans need of closure and 'a better end' for Shepard. Dead good or alive good; followed by real closure to Shep's arch with a decent codex narration of events - say 5-10 years into the future. Can't go much more than that if even that far given they may want to pick up ME4 very shortly after the war. There will be a lot of cleaning up and rebuilding to do.

That might be true amongst ITers, but for the ME player base at large, most have got the closure they needed through EC anyway. Hence why numbers of ITers have fallen in the wake of it.

Do you really think they will be able to keep up the hype until, at the very least, 2017 when no one is playing ME3? And we know ME4 won't be about Shepard anyway so that goes out the window

Actually, they've lied about so much else that at this point I wouldn't CARE if they made ME4 about Shepard.

[SubAstris]

dreamgazer wrote...

Man, SubAstris, you really do love to ask the same questions and say the same things over and over again, don't you?

Of course I would like people to answer the question straight up the first time and not just avoid the question, but that doesn't always happen

[Dwailing]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...
Not only are the cables above your head when you pick destroy, they are nowhere in London levels. SO if he's on earth, where'd the cables come from? No maybe's, probably's or could haves. Seriously, can anyone point them out anywhere near the beam or london at all?

Cables are easier to find themselves in places then huge lumps of concrete.

Not to mention its not confirmed if those are cables and not rebar.

And regardless, even if it was Reaper cable and thus proves its not on Earth - ITS STILL NOT ON THE CITADEL!

How many times does this need to be said?  How many times?  Do you not understand basic logic?  The breathe scene is NOT on the Citadel!

I confirmed that they were cables a long time ago. Adjusting the lighting reveals the cable strands in between the gaps. It's not rebar.

And it's funny that you say they're not clumped when they wrap around the structure above your head in destroy.

I never said they weren't clumped.

I'm saying cables are found all over the galaxy.  But concrete is not.

Seriously, am I still arguing this basic point with you two?  Because honestly if you still don't understand it then there's no hope for you at all.

Therefore I'm done with you both.  I will not respond to insane troll logic anymore.

That's not true at all. But I'm not going into concrete.

I'm talking about the cable. It's on the Citadel and not on earth. But it's used to validate IT. Do you not see the problem?

At this point, we can't definitively state that there are cables on Earth.  However, you cannot state definitively that there is concrete on the Citadel, so it could swing either way.

Yes I can. It's all around you. It's even right above your head. The reason people don't want to believe that it's concrete is because it goes against IT. That's it.

Oh really?  Then give me some pictures.  Come on.  You know you want to.

[EpyonX3]

insomniak9 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

insomniak9 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

insomniak9 wrote...

 I've just realised they added the short cinematic of the Dreadnought getting eaten by a Reaper to remind you what the Dreadnought Cannons look like, coz you're gonna see them again pretty soon on the so-called "Citadel" 

If you mean the 1M1 structrures, then they are antenna and where in ME1 with the backward writting.

Where were they in ME1?

Climbing the Citadel Tower when Sovereign makes it to the Citadel.

The structures that look like Cannons aimed at Husks don't actually have 1m1 on them...

ok I'm lost.

[insomniak9]

SubAstris wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Man, SubAstris, you really do love to ask the same questions and say the same things over and over again, don't you?

Of course I would like people to answer the question straight up the first time and not just avoid the question, but that doesn't always happen

I read your posts, I hear a Volus voice. 

True story. 

[alittlewren]

Andromidius wrote...

alittlewren wrote...
If anyone's interested and I have time later, I can upload the two versions to youtube. 

Please! 

Okay, here's the two versions of the 3rd dream sequence that I saw, both with the same paragon Shepard, the only difference being two different dialogue options in the love scene preceeding. (Kaidan Love Scene, relaxed version appeared with "Everything?", distressed version appeared with "Absolutely.") Again, I don't know if both versions existed in the game pre-EC, but I can only find video in my files of the relaxed version pre-EC. 

Not sure if it would even have anything to do with IT, but I think it's pretty cool that subtle differences like this exist in the game, even if the significance is unclear. 

Relaxed Version: www.youtube.com/watch
Distressed Version: www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par alittlewren, 29 juin 2012 - 09:15 .

[insomniak9]

EpyonX3 wrote...

insomniak9 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

insomniak9 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

insomniak9 wrote...

 I've just realised they added the short cinematic of the Dreadnought getting eaten by a Reaper to remind you what the Dreadnought Cannons look like, coz you're gonna see them again pretty soon on the so-called "Citadel" 

If you mean the 1M1 structrures, then they are antenna and where in ME1 with the backward writting.

Where were they in ME1?

Climbing the Citadel Tower when Sovereign makes it to the Citadel.

The structures that look like Cannons aimed at Husks don't actually have 1m1 on them...

ok I'm lost.

The thread moves too fast. 

[MaximizedAction]

insomniak9 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Man, SubAstris, you really do love to ask the same questions and say the same things over and over again, don't you?

Of course I would like people to answer the question straight up the first time and not just avoid the question, but that doesn't always happen

I read your posts, I hear a Volus voice. 

True story. 

You're not the only one.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 29 juin 2012 - 09:15 .

[plfranke]

SubAstris wrote...

plfranke wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

plfranke wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Peytl wrote...

Tbh, we just need to prove that Shep was on Citadel in the breathing scene, which can be proven by simple comparison of the cabels. This definitely destroys the IT premise that Shep is on the Earth. It's like card house, you remove one card and everything will just break down.

Can someone from IT believers explain me, why the hell would BW expand the "hallucinations"?

Best answer is that they wanted to please everyone, which still makes no sense if IT was their true plan. Unless BW are deeply unprincipled in this respect.

If alot of people didn't like IT it males perfect sense for them to do what they did.

Why not just confirm the literal endings?

But I hear all the time that people love IT, your good friend Arian was quoted as saying 80% of people support IT.

They have done basically everything barring "IT is not true" to confirm the literal endings anyway (if you want to disagree, that's fine)

That's not true at all. First of all it's unfair to say because the biggest thing they could do to confirm is to say that IT isn't true, but there are other things as well. They made the scene where the normandy evacuates your squadmates ridiculous. They don't show anything about the breath scene. They kept the line from coates that everyone has been wiped out, yet somehow someone gives Hackett the intel that Shepard made it on to the citadel but then Hackett a few seconds later says "someone made it on". They kept the weird scene with Anderson and TIM and didn't do anything to show how they got on to the Citadel. There's a lot that's still very unexplained in the endings.

1) I'm not quite sure what you mean



2) I assume you think the lack of Normandy evacuation scene was ridiculous
before EC? I would agree, and I'm not too keen on the new one either. But I can
see why they did; the original was stupid, and BW did something about it,
although not to everyone's liking. They put time and effort into explaining how
your squadmates explained. This begs the questions of why they did it if IT is
true because its point would be null and void.



I'm not really going to answer the rest because its pretty standard IT fare,
and it's obvious what my position is on those matters. I'm not going to waste
your time.

It's not a waste of my time. I wouldn't have responded to you if I didn't think you have something to contribute. I'm interested to hear what you have to say about the rest. But for the meantime I'll elaborate what I meant. I mean that if Bioware really wanted to disprove IT all they would have to do is say it's not true. It's that simple. If IT is true Bioware is using it as a tool to get people to continue to buy dlc for the future ending that will give the series a fitting end. My point about mentioning the Normandy evacuation is this. There was something stupid and instead of fixing it in a proper way, like hell maybe even a mako picking them up and turning around, anything would have been better than the Normandy flying into an active war zone and flying away while Harbinger is literally staring at them. They replaced something that was difficult to believe with something even harder to believe. However, they didn't fix things that were even worst in my mind like Anderson and TIM.

Ok, in that case I will have a "go".

1) I'm not sure what you mean about the Breath Scene

2) In war-like scenarios, information changes very quickly. I am not that surprised that one minute they learn one thing, and the next something different. It is needed for the plot after all.

3) As for how they got to the Citadel, Anderson is explained as going up the beam as well, but landing in another place. My personal opinion is that they did this to add suspense (crude but effective). As for TIM's entrance being weird, think about games you have played in the past. I bet you can remember occasions where someone appears to come from nowhere. It's a common sight in games. We know already that TIM is on the Citadel, so when we meet him it's not that strange. If they wanted to make it really weird, they could have not put that in

I would like to first say that hopes of there being a future DLC for IT are very low considering BW's comments on the subject (you might want to look over a few of my posts in the previous page or two to see my view).

My view on the Normandy scene is that they put emotional appeal above the plot. A lot of people really liked that scene, I didn't because I was thinking, "this is not the time for sentimentality!". I don't think it is great evidence for IT though because I have seen similar things happen in other films, games. I can understand completely why BW would put it in without IT.

I'll accept your explanation about the Normandy because I actually can see that happening. I get what you're saying about TIM just being a plot convenience but come on. There was only one path to the control panel and the door on the other end closed. He would have literally had to come out of no where. Anderson as stupid as the explanation "the walls are shifting.... changing." is  I can give that to plot convenience but the TIM thing is just too far. If it's "information changing very quickly" why even have coates saying anything at all? Also why is it you don't believe in IT subastris do you just think it was terrible writing?

[llbountyhunter]

SubAstris wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

plfranke wrote...

I want an ITer to tell me why Bioware wouldn't confirm IT from a business standpoint if it was their intention.

Spoilers and the end of speculation.

Speculation keeps the game hot. Once the first few DLCs come out that provide more clues as to what is going on, it will probably get even hotter, and more positive.

They've driven up the desire for fans need of closure and 'a better end' for Shepard. Dead good or alive good; followed by real closure to Shep's arch with a decent codex narration of events - say 5-10 years into the future. Can't go much more than that if even that far given they may want to pick up ME4 very shortly after the war. There will be a lot of cleaning up and rebuilding to do.

That might be true amongst ITers, but for the ME player base at large, most have got the closure they needed through EC anyway. Hence why numbers of ITers have fallen in the wake of it.

Do you really think they will be able to keep up the hype until, at the very least, 2017 when no one is playing ME3? And we know ME4 won't be about Shepard anyway so that goes out the window

Not true, have you seen the comments to YouTube videos and other sites?

Yeah there glad bioware responded, and so am I, but the content in EC provides very little closure  for the majority of fans.