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[insomniak9]

oh and Harbinger shouts "save us" which suggests he wants to indoctrinate you to kill him, but the collective consciousness, known as the Catalyst tries to prevent this by pushing you toward Synthesis, which is actually being Reaped.

[Sammuthegreat]

jgibson14352 wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Hay people did you know that there are cables in CONCRETE. Oh that's right I have seen cables in concrete before because my uncle is a construcion worker and they put cables in the concrete to give it support and frame work.

So ya the cables around Shepard are from cables and if you don't belive me look it up, or look at the battle at earth. There are cables sticking up from Concrete.

You mean rebar, like in this picture right? In which case yeah, I agree. I honestly don't know why this still even being discussed, we see concrete with bits of rebar sticking out at many points during the Earth mission.

When you consider the rebar and the Mako in the breath scene together, it's completely clear that Shepard is on Earth in the breath scene.

unless they just kept the mako shepard crashed on the citadel in me1 in the citadel

That's a pretty enormous logical leap, especially given that they avoided ME1 references where possible in ME3 because PS3 players wouldn't have played the first game.

Even so it's an obscure reference. It's infinitely more likely that the Mako is simply on Earth, given that we see several of them in the run to the beam.

that was more of a post supporting what you said, i meant the only evidence that that wouldnt be true is pretty far fetched

Fair enough, in which case I totally agree. It was hard to gauge your IT alignment from your post.

[llbountyhunter]

insomniak9 wrote...

oh and Harbinger shouts "save us" which suggests he wants to indoctrinate you to kill him, but the collective consciousness, known as the Catalyst tries to prevent this by pushing you toward Synthesis, which is actually being Reaped.

I thought he said "join us"

Does what he say come up in the subtitles?  I had them off.

[masster blaster]

No they took the mako back on the Normandy it's just now on the planet the Normandy SR1 is on. Stuck in a groumd. In which of no hopes of ever recovering it ever again.

[CoolioThane]

Wait, is there an argument that Shep is not on Earth in the breath scene?!

It's clearly obvious he is definitely on Earth! Clearly, clearly, clearly.

[MaximizedAction]

insomniak9 wrote...

Note that Synthesis actually is what it sounds like - you walk into the beam on Earth and get gooified into a Reaper.

re: the datapad proving the beam kills you, it doesn't send you to a convenient killswitch

Interesting idea. That does fit with the datapad message (if the author of the message was referring to the beam).

[N-Seven]

Sammuthegreat wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Hay people did you know that there are cables in CONCRETE. Oh that's right I have seen cables in concrete before because my uncle is a construcion worker and they put cables in the concrete to give it support and frame work.

So ya the cables around Shepard are from cables and if you don't belive me look it up, or look at the battle at earth. There are cables sticking up from Concrete.

You mean rebar, like in this picture right? In which case yeah, I agree. I honestly don't know why this still even being discussed, we see concrete with bits of rebar sticking out at many points during the Earth mission.

When you consider the rebar and the Mako in the breath scene together, it's completely clear that Shepard is on Earth in the breath scene.

It's only clear if you want it to be.  But really, it's not.  My response on the last page:

Andromidius wrote...


I'm saying cables are found all over the galaxy.  But concrete is not.

Seriously,
am I still arguing this basic point with you two?  Because honestly if
you still don't understand it then there's no hope for you at all.

Therefore I'm done with you both.  I will not respond to insane troll logic anymore.

So
what you're saying is, that in a science-fiction universe full of
hyper-intelligent races, no other race in the galaxy has taken stone, or
a stone-like substance, crumbled it down to use as an aggregate and
combined it with a binder.  I don't think that's realistic.  In fact
given all the scenes where you're walking through Tuchanka, Palaven,
IIos, planet X or whatever, races seem to use 'stone-like' materials in
the construction of their buildings everywhere.

Also we don't
even know if it's concrete.  It shares the appearance of concrete.  But
in the same way a tin can shares the same appearance as an aluminum can
at a glance, or how vynyl might be indistinguishable from leather
without a touch test. Polystyrene (styrofoam) and cork for example, is
sometimes dyed or painted to look like concrete in films for special
effects.   Plastic can be made to look like metal or glass, or even
wood, without a touch test.  Synthetic fabrics can be indistinguishable
natural fabrics without reading the label, etc. etc.

Is it
concrete?  Is it some other material?  You don't know.  All you really
know is that  It's a dark, porous material and it's simple to say that
countless building materials probably exist on the Citadel, man-made or
not.  People have built homes, shops, restaurants, and bars there,
etc.   It's simple and requires a very minimal leap of logic.  Unlike
other theories.

In short, simply because this person is surrounded by building materials which resemble (but may or may not be) concrete, we can't assume this person is on Earth.  It requires several leaps of logic:

Multiple leaps of theory and conjecture:
Stone-like rubble with supporting rods -> must be concrete -> concrete is a human product -> not possible for Citadel to have concrete, or anything that looks like it -> therefore must not be on Citadel -> must be on Earth -> Shepard is hallucinating.

<_<

Simple, small leap:
Looks like some porous, stone-like building material.  Who knows or cares, they just chose the best art assets for the scene.  Take endings at face value, move on, no super-secret ending, get life back.

[plfranke]

MaximizedAction wrote...

insomniak9 wrote...

Note that Synthesis actually is what it sounds like - you walk into the beam on Earth and get gooified into a Reaper.

re: the datapad proving the beam kills you, it doesn't send you to a convenient killswitch

Interesting idea. That does fit with the datapad message (if the author of the message was referring to the beam).

makes me wonder though what is actually happening during control or destroy. It would be pretty entertaining if you were walking up to harbinger and shooting him with a pistol

[insomniak9]

On the "Citadel", the first thing said between Anderson and Shepard is ooh they must send the humans up this pipe to be harvested, yet neither of them consider why they haven't been Reaped.

Shepard knows this, and imagines it, because she read the datapad.

She isn't Reaped because she never enters the beam, unless you're daft enough to choose Synthesis.

[MaximizedAction]

insomniak9 wrote...

On the "Citadel", the first thing said between Anderson and Shepard is ooh they must send the humans up this pipe to be harvested, yet neither of them consider why they haven't been Reaped.

Shepard knows this, and imagines it, because she read the datapad.

She isn't Reaped because she never enters the beam, unless you're daft enough to choose Synthesis.

Or experimetally friendly.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 29 juin 2012 - 10:07 .

[jgibson14352]

just thought of something, if IT is real, (and i hope it is), and it was already very clearly established in the original endings (which it was), why put out the EC? its just wasted time, money, and effort, isnt it? if IT is true, they could have proven it in a dlc without the EC to begin with.

[N-Seven]

insomniak9 wrote...

On the "Citadel", the first thing said between Anderson and Shepard is ooh they must send the humans up this pipe to be harvested, yet neither of them consider why they haven't been Reaped.

Shepard knows this, and imagines it, because she read the datapad.

She isn't Reaped because she never enters the beam, unless you're daft enough to choose Synthesis.

Um what?  They haven't been harvested because they're not dead yet.  It's just a transportation device.

[insomniak9]

The humans in Vancouver just run blindly up to the Reapers to be Reaped. they don't have to be dead.

[MaximizedAction]

jgibson14352 wrote...

just thought of something, if IT is real, (and i hope it is), and it was already very clearly established in the original endings (which it was), why put out the EC? its just wasted time, money, and effort, isnt it? if IT is true, they could have proven it in a dlc without the EC to begin with.

Either they used these additional 3 months to make the ending they maybe did not have the time to do.
Or, the original endings were an experiment. [/tinfoil_mode]

The EC endings do have very refined hints, but the non-EC ending is just batsh*t crazy relative to that. It caught EVERYONE's attention.

[Andromidius]

N-Seven wrote...

In short, simply because this person is surrounded by building materials which resemble (but may or may not be) concrete, we can't assume this person is on Earth.  It requires several leaps of logic:

Actually, what I was saying was that it can't be on the Citadel and that the closest place to the Citadel with concrete would be Earth (London, infact, since the Citadel is directly orbiting it).

Why are people still arguing this?  Its like having a picture of a ball on a beach, complete with the sea in the background...and someone arguing that it has to be a desert because deserts have sand on them while completely ignoring the sea.

Boggles the mind.

N-Seven wrote...
Simple, small leap:
Looks like some
porous, stone-like building material.  Who knows or cares, they just
chose the best art assets for the scene.  Take endings at face value,
move on, no super-secret ending, get life back.

And again, nothing like that is on the Citadel.  And you're essentially admitting you don't care/don't want to think about it, and thus have no place in this thread.  Taking the ending at face value DEVALUES Mass Effect. 

If you're happy with that, fine.  But don't throw underhand insults at people by suggesting we have no life because we're interested in debating something.

Modifié par Andromidius, 29 juin 2012 - 10:13 .

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Ahem, to those going back and forth about the Breath Scene, screenshot analysis is in my sig for the Cables and Rubble. Note the new breath scene is the same as the original but with music overlayed.

[paxxton]

I don't know about you but I think there is something fishy about "So be it" in the context of IT. Why choose that phrase for the Catalyst, why not something like simply "Then the cycle continues."

Modifié par paxxton, 29 juin 2012 - 10:16 .

[plfranke]

N-Seven wrote...

insomniak9 wrote...

On the "Citadel", the first thing said between Anderson and Shepard is ooh they must send the humans up this pipe to be harvested, yet neither of them consider why they haven't been Reaped.

Shepard knows this, and imagines it, because she read the datapad.

She isn't Reaped because she never enters the beam, unless you're daft enough to choose Synthesis.

Um what?  They haven't been harvested because they're not dead yet.  It's just a transportation device.

yeah Anderson even says they use the beam to transport living humans to the citadel. everything about it is fishy, as if the reapers would have a beam that magically transports anyone to the only place that would allow them to be defeated.

[insomniak9]

Can we move away from the rubble to the more interesting and subtle comparisons?

kthx

[Fingertrip]

HOLY JESUS CHRIST

There is NO MAKO on the citadel, let-alone on the crucible.

There is a MAKO, very visible shown in the breathing scene. RIGHT WHERE Shepard gets struck down by Harbinger.

DEBUNKED. CARRY ON.

[insomniak9]

That's what I said

[Andromidius]

insomniak9 wrote...

Can we move away from the rubble to the more interesting and subtle comparisons?

kthx

I'd like that too, but some people still seem to ignore the obvious aspects.

I do love how those shadows you see going up the ramp towards the control panel look eerily like humanoid figures.  I never would have noticed.  And while I can't be sure if its 'proof' of anything, I'm sure it had to be deliberate.

[MaximizedAction]

dark_secret7 wrote...

Anyone taken a look at this?
http://social.biowar...ndex/12863867/1

About the ending slides. Maybe someone here can help me with mining.

This is a very good spot! Why did they put in the outstanding borders and RGB decomposition in some slides, too. So that it looks more like a projection?

Moar speculations!

[jgibson14352]

can someone who has them please repost the cerberus logo in the control room? i cant find them

[Peytl]

Andromidius wrote...

insomniak9 wrote...

Can we move away from the rubble to the more interesting and subtle comparisons?

kthx

I'd like that too, but some people still seem to ignore the obvious aspects.

I do love how those shadows you see going up the ramp towards the control panel look eerily like humanoid figures.  I never would have noticed.  And while I can't be sure if its 'proof' of anything, I'm sure it had to be deliberate.

Point is, we're comparing visible objects, while you're specculating. Specculation doesn't hold water. Shepard can be on Mars or in Vencouver, if THE cables can be found all over the Galaxy.

Modifié par Peytl, 29 juin 2012 - 10:24 .