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[SubAstris]

Dwailing wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

N-Seven wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

 And you're essentially admitting you don't care/don't want to think about it, and thus have no place in this thread.  Taking the ending at face value DEVALUES Mass Effect. 

If you're happy with that, fine.  But don't throw underhand insults at people by suggesting we have no life because we're interested in debating something.

What?  So you're interested ni debating but for those countering your point (hey I used a smiley) 'we have no place in this thread'?

I'm getting at Occam's razor.  A simpler answer is better than a complicated on.  So I present the simpler answer.

As for devaluing Mass Effect...I feel that's absurd.  In fact I feel the other way around.  IT theory would be a cliched, Inception ripoff, with tips of the hat to Total Recall, the red-pill-blue-pill Matrix/Dreamscape and whatever other 'mind twister' movies or fiction you can think of.  

Are those movies, or those mind-twister themes bad?  Nope.  But would be nonsensical for a game series that has styled itself as a heavy-handed, fun, action space-opera (yes this is fantasy-space opera, not Foundation), to suddenly pretend to be a Christopher Nolan or M Night Shymyalan movie riddled with subtle hints.  And lets face it, the story telling in this series has been heavy handed.  If there was a mental struggle going on, Bioware would let you know it from the get go.  There probably would have been a mini-game.

Good point. BW aren't really known for their heavily symbolic endings. Having played through KOTOR again recently, another game with a big twist, they foreshadow the twist so blatantly and very early on that I'm surprised I didn't get it the first time.

Wait, what foreshadowing did they do again?  It's been so long that I can't remember any.  Unless, of course, they did what they did here, which is to say, small clues that people would have called you crazy for if they didn't know the truth.

I should point out that Casey Hudson was on the KotoR team.  And Mac Walters has that degree in Psychology.  Honestly, if I could pick any two people to come up with a twist like this, it would be those two.

Mainly in the dialogue, at least initially. Carth talking about "how it is so weird that you were picked for the mission", "Bastila chose for this mission for some reason, that's very odd" etc.", there must be at least 3 or 4 very direct clues in the first half hour at least. Now I have tried to play ME keeping in mind IT, trying to look for potential clues, and my searches were fruitless.

Kotor's twists is very clear, hence why most people "got it". I don't think the same thing can be said for IT. That's not to say it's not correct, it just wasn't done correctly if it was

[insomniak9]

You are shown the star child...

In. The. Very. First. Scene.

[paxxton]

insomniak9 wrote...

You are shown the star child...

In. The. Very. First. Scene.

So what?

[N-Seven]

Rifneno wrote...

N-Seven wrote...

Yep, it can pretty much be explained as either coincidence, stuff done for gameplay mechanics, melodrama, or the reuse of art assets, or sadly in some cases oversights and storyboarding details.  Very ordinary explanations.

While IT, and Bioware's motives for putting it in, and sustaining a conspiracy, requires extraordinary explanations.

Translation: I didn't pick up on it, so it can't be.

Hmm?   If you want to me to be specific, go ahead and ask me of any scene which you think cannot be explained outside of a hallucination, and I will attempt to provide a reasonable counter-explaination.   You can do it by private message if you like, easier for me to respond that way.

[SubAstris]

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[quote]Peytl wrote...

Tbh, we just need to prove that Shep was on Citadel in the breathing scene, which can be proven by simple comparison of the cabels. This definitely destroys the IT premise that Shep is on the Earth. It's like card house, you remove one card and everything will just break down.

Can someone from IT believers explain me, why the hell would BW expand the "hallucinations"?[/quote]

Best answer is that they wanted to please everyone, which still makes no sense if IT was their true plan. Unless BW are deeply unprincipled in this respect.

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If alot of people didn't like IT it males perfect sense for them to do what they did.

Why not just confirm the literal endings?

[/quote]

But I hear all the time that people love IT, your good friend Arian was quoted as saying 80% of people support IT.

They have done basically everything barring "IT is not true" to confirm the literal endings anyway (if you want to disagree, that's fine)

[/quote]
That's not true at all. First of all it's unfair to say because the biggest thing they could do to confirm is to say that IT isn't true, but there are other things as well. They made the scene where the normandy evacuates your squadmates ridiculous. They don't show anything about the breath scene. They kept the line from coates that everyone has been wiped out, yet somehow someone gives Hackett the intel that Shepard made it on to the citadel but then Hackett a few seconds later says "someone made it on". They kept the weird scene with Anderson and TIM and didn't do anything to show how they got on to the Citadel. There's a lot that's still very unexplained in the endings.[/quote]

1) I'm not quite sure what you mean



2) I assume you think the lack of Normandy evacuation scene was ridiculous
before EC? I would agree, and I'm not too keen on the new one either. But I can
see why they did; the original was stupid, and BW did something about it,
although not to everyone's liking. They put time and effort into explaining how
your squadmates explained. This begs the questions of why they did it if IT is
true because its point would be null and void.



I'm not really going to answer the rest because its pretty standard IT fare,
and it's obvious what my position is on those matters. I'm not going to waste
your time.



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It's not a waste of my time. I wouldn't have responded to you if I didn't think you have something to contribute. I'm interested to hear what you have to say about the rest. But for the meantime I'll elaborate what I meant. I mean that if Bioware really wanted to disprove IT all they would have to do is say it's not true. It's that simple. If IT is true Bioware is using it as a tool to get people to continue to buy dlc for the future ending that will give the series a fitting end. My point about mentioning the Normandy evacuation is this. There was something stupid and instead of fixing it in a proper way, like hell maybe even a mako picking them up and turning around, anything would have been better than the Normandy flying into an active war zone and flying away while Harbinger is literally staring at them. They replaced something that was difficult to believe with something even harder to believe. However, they didn't fix things that were even worst in my mind like Anderson and TIM. [/quote]

Ok, in that case I will have a "go".

1) I'm not sure what you mean about the Breath Scene

2) In war-like scenarios, information changes very quickly. I am not that surprised that one minute they learn one thing, and the next something different. It is needed for the plot after all.

3) As for how they got to the Citadel, Anderson is explained as going up the beam as well, but landing in another place. My personal opinion is that they did this to add suspense (crude but effective). As for TIM's entrance being weird, think about games you have played in the past. I bet you can remember occasions where someone appears to come from nowhere. It's a common sight in games. We know already that TIM is on the Citadel, so when we meet him it's not that strange. If they wanted to make it really weird, they could have not put that in

I would like to first say that hopes of there being a future DLC for IT are very low considering BW's comments on the subject (you might want to look over a few of my posts in the previous page or two to see my view).

My view on the Normandy scene is that they put emotional appeal above the plot. A lot of people really liked that scene, I didn't because I was thinking, "this is not the time for sentimentality!". I don't think it is great evidence for IT though because I have seen similar things happen in other films, games. I can understand completely why BW would put it in without IT.



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I'll accept your explanation about the Normandy because I actually can see that happening. I get what you're saying about TIM just being a plot convenience but come on. There was only one path to the control panel and the door on the other end closed. He would have literally had to come out of no where. Anderson as stupid as the explanation "the walls are shifting.... changing." is  I can give that to plot convenience but the TIM thing is just too far. If it's "information changing very quickly" why even have coates saying anything at all? Also why is it you don't believe in IT subastris do you just think it was terrible writing?[/quote]

Sorry for the delay.


I don't think I am really going to convince you about the TIM point. Fair enough. What I would say though is next time you play a game pay attention to entrances of people often they do come out left field, it's just you don't notice it all the time.

As for IT, I think it was poor writing mostly. I know people often like to put BW on a pedestal and think they can do no wrong, but that simply isn't the case. ME2's main plot was bad and to my mind the whole game seems like the "odd one out". This is not the first BW game to have fan outcry (see Dragon Age 2) either. But the poor writing doesn't just start with the end; in the beginning, the "deus ex machina" in the form of the Crucible is really bad writing. 

Othertimes I just think ITers are mistaken, forgetting simpler explanations for things and instead preferring a more convoluted one in the form of IT. That's not to say they are definitely wrong, but usually the simpler explanation is the right one



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We can agree that many times entrances come out of left field but this isn't out of left field it's just insane. There was no physically possible way for him to be there. Oddly enough people tend to just overlook it, call me a stickler. I agree with you there I think that barring hours of explanation from bioware there's a lot of poor writing in the game. The crucible is terrible, the reapers attacking sanctuary, kai leng being all powerful as the plot sees fit.  We can definitely agree on that.[/quote]

Don't forget Cerberus becoming this absolutely massive military organisation just to fit the plot

[Auralius Carolus]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Was going to go to bed early but figured, hell let's make some new screenshot posts. So here's a few things I found interesting:

Renegade cybernetics show through the Synth and Control "TIM" eyes, also "cables" details still present:




Note the double image effect is just a video/lighting effect presence in the Synth ending (and not Shepard growing extra eyes).


This looks like an asari


A still from the Synthesis ending, thought it was an interesting and...impossible looking structure. I like it, but I mean is it a building or a ship or Shepards imagination gone wild?

PS, STILL can't figure out if Starbringer is smirking or just tilting his head in amusement:

Clocking in.

The distinction, in the past, between the Lazarus "Renegade" eyes and Reaper Implant eyes has existed. What this clearly shows, however, is that they cannot be confused for one and the same, (non-renegade Shepard will not have the red), and that the Reaper Iris has developed over the implants from Lazarus. In other words, this is a newer occurance in comparison to Shepard's return.

Because the Reaper Eyes appear in Synth, as well as Control, it rules out most likelihood that it's the Citadel rewriting Shepard before breaking him/her down; the beam, itself, comes directly from the Crucible. The only literal option, aside from Shepard's Reaper Implantation, is that the Crucible contains significant amounts of Reaper tech, capable of having a similar effect to indoctrination implantation.

[EpyonX3]

insomniak9 wrote...

I posted from another viewpoint a few pages back, at the bottom of that ramp up to the Control Room, you can see two Alliance Dreadnought Cannons pointing at shadowy figures, that are either Banshees, or Husks, IMO. 
In the first image, look closely at the repeated structure around the top of the screen. It's the Cerberus logo overlapping itself over and over. 
This is the Cannon one:

Those are not canons. It's a 1M1 Antenna.

[Rifneno]

plfranke wrote...

We can agree that many times entrances come out of left field but this isn't out of left field it's just insane. There was no physically possible way for him to be there. Oddly enough people tend to just overlook it, call me a stickler. I agree with you there I think that barring hours of explanation from bioware there's a lot of poor writing in the game. The crucible is terrible, the reapers attacking sanctuary, kai leng being all powerful as the plot sees fit.  We can definitely agree on that.

First and foremost, Jesus tapdancing Christ, the quote pyramid!  THIS HURTS ME.

Anyway, the crucible is indeed the worst writing to come from someone not named "Terry Goodkind" but the rest isn't bad.  The Reapers attacked Sanctuary because it was full of refugees.  That's just what they do.  As for Kai Leng, he's an N7.  In case you don't understand the significance, the only known N7 members are: Commander Shepard, Admiral/Councilor/Captain David Anders, Kei Leng, and depending upon choices in ME3, Lee Riley and James Vega.  N7 is the highest combat proficiency the Alliance has.  Even being N1 is "holy ****".  I daresay it's a more exclusive club than spectres.  Now factor in that Kei Leng, after earning that rank, was jammed full of Reaper augmentations.  So yeah, I can see him being insanely powerful.

[MegumiAzusa]

Rifneno wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

I cried in the last episode only to learn I just got trolled a few minutes later

So House really DIDN'T die!  Yes!  IGN was right!

Hehe.  Yeah, I saw an interview with one of the writers shortly after.  I don't think they realized it sounded ambiguous.  He just meant "the consequences don't matter because they aren't exactly looking for me".  Although I haven't seen the show since I heard they were killing off Wilson.  That just pissed me off.

Wilson also didn't die in the last episode. It ends with House and Wilson enjoying their last days together.

[MetioricTest]

If it was a hallucination then Shepard's imagination sucks

[Dwailing]

Rifneno wrote...

plfranke wrote...

We can agree that many times entrances come out of left field but this isn't out of left field it's just insane. There was no physically possible way for him to be there. Oddly enough people tend to just overlook it, call me a stickler. I agree with you there I think that barring hours of explanation from bioware there's a lot of poor writing in the game. The crucible is terrible, the reapers attacking sanctuary, kai leng being all powerful as the plot sees fit.  We can definitely agree on that.

First and foremost, Jesus tapdancing Christ, the quote pyramid!  THIS HURTS ME.

Anyway, the crucible is indeed the worst writing to come from someone not named "Terry Goodkind" but the rest isn't bad.  The Reapers attacked Sanctuary because it was full of refugees.  That's just what they do.  As for Kai Leng, he's an N7.  In case you don't understand the significance, the only known N7 members are: Commander Shepard, Admiral/Councilor/Captain David Anders, Kei Leng, and depending upon choices in ME3, Lee Riley and James Vega.  N7 is the highest combat proficiency the Alliance has.  Even being N1 is "holy ****".  I daresay it's a more exclusive club than spectres.  Now factor in that Kei Leng, after earning that rank, was jammed full of Reaper augmentations.  So yeah, I can see him being insanely powerful.

And the Crucible is a trap, if you ask me, so that explains that little bit of Deus Ex Machina.

[SubAstris]

CoolioThane wrote...

N-Seven wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

N-Seven wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

 And you're essentially admitting you don't care/don't want to think about it, and thus have no place in this thread.  Taking the ending at face value DEVALUES Mass Effect. 

If you're happy with that, fine.  But don't throw underhand insults at people by suggesting we have no life because we're interested in debating something.

What?  So you're interested ni debating but for those countering your point (hey I used a smiley) 'we have no place in this thread'?

I'm getting at Occam's razor.  A simpler answer is better than a complicated on.  So I present the simpler answer.

As for devaluing Mass Effect...I feel that's absurd.  In fact I feel the other way around.  IT theory would be a cliched, Inception ripoff, with tips of the hat to Total Recall, the red-pill-blue-pill Matrix/Dreamscape and whatever other 'mind twister' movies or fiction you can think of.  

Are those movies, or those mind-twister themes bad?  Nope.  But would be nonsensical for a game series that has styled itself as a heavy-handed, fun, action space-opera (yes this is fantasy-space opera, not Foundation), to suddenly pretend to be a Christopher Nolan or M Night Shymyalan movie riddled with subtle hints.  And lets face it, the story telling in this series has been heavy handed.  If there was a mental struggle going on, Bioware would let you know it from the get go.  There probably would have been a mini-game.

No. **** off, seriously. Your arrogance is beyond belief, as if everything you say is final. Please.

Noone can deny the numerous amounts of clues all pointing to the same idea that he is indoctrinated and this is all a hallucination. Yes, one or two things might be explained away, but in my opinion, the sum of all the individual parts is damning evidence. They even add in MORE clues with the EC. 

Mate, this is happening. It's not ripping off anything...it's doing something unprecedented. The game indoctrinates the players - most certainly you and other non-believers in the IT. Just wait and see, but please don't treat us like second class people.

If there is no indoctrination then that's it between me and BW as it's the only explanation for everything. 

Lol.  Ok sport, when is the 'real third ending' going to come out?  Are you still desperately clinging to this?  It's going on four months now since release.   Want to bet there will be nothing a year from now?

There you are again, "sport". I like the use of condescension in your posts. It strikes me as odd considering we outnumber you...Look mate, I don't know when it is going to be released but it will Doesn't even have to be a year from now, but you sure will look stupid if the ending is released

Whereas if it isn't...we just look like hopeful people who didn't want to believe in a **** ending. I know I'd rather be me than you 

I would just like to add that BW have explicitly said many times that they will not do any more to do with the ending. Make of that what you will

[EpyonX3]

insomniak9 wrote...

It's not speculating, people can actually see these things we're talking about.

Here is the Cerberus logo image



I'm not sure if they're Banshees or Husks, but there's definitely 2 big Dreadnought cannons pointing at them when you run up that slope.

Can you circle what we're supposed to be looking at. I've yet to see one perso agree with you.

[SubAstris]

Rifneno wrote...

plfranke wrote...

We can agree that many times entrances come out of left field but this isn't out of left field it's just insane. There was no physically possible way for him to be there. Oddly enough people tend to just overlook it, call me a stickler. I agree with you there I think that barring hours of explanation from bioware there's a lot of poor writing in the game. The crucible is terrible, the reapers attacking sanctuary, kai leng being all powerful as the plot sees fit.  We can definitely agree on that.

First and foremost, Jesus tapdancing Christ, the quote pyramid!  THIS HURTS ME.

Anyway, the crucible is indeed the worst writing to come from someone not named "Terry Goodkind" but the rest isn't bad.  The Reapers attacked Sanctuary because it was full of refugees.  That's just what they do.  As for Kai Leng, he's an N7.  In case you don't understand the significance, the only known N7 members are: Commander Shepard, Admiral/Councilor/Captain David Anders, Kei Leng, and depending upon choices in ME3, Lee Riley and James Vega.  N7 is the highest combat proficiency the Alliance has.  Even being N1 is "holy ****".  I daresay it's a more exclusive club than spectres.  Now factor in that Kei Leng, after earning that rank, was jammed full of Reaper augmentations.  So yeah, I can see him being insanely powerful.

You have to agree that Kai Leng comes off ridiculously anyway though

[Xavendithas]

N-Seven wrote...

Which is why IT isn't real.

No company would waste the man-hours, resources, and take the time-hit to other projects to release a phony ending.

They also wouldn't want to release a 'real third ending' as paid DLC.  The negative outcry from fans and within the industry wouldn't be worth the few bucks IMHO.

Also no company would want the flak that the original endings caused.   The disgusting personal attacks on staff on this forum, the twitter bombs.  The metacritic bombing.  The threats of legal action, and also if I remember the veiled physical threats.  The negative scrutiny from the press, and the possible alienation of their fanbase, and damage to their reputation within the industry.

If you believe IT is real (outside of fanfic) then you believe Bioware planned and wanted all that.

You also believe that the Extended Cut is just more fakery, and that Bioware committed resources in order to be 'cute' and provide more clues.

You also believe that there is a continuing, sustained project of deception going on from everyone involved in the project, from producers, to writers, and voice-actors.  That every 'making of' documentary, developer and writer blog and interview, is hiding something.   And they have sustained this for more than three months after the game's release, even though sales have dropped substantially.  (not a knock on the game.  All games do).   That when they state that there will be 'no further game content' you say they are lying.

It's far too conspiracy-theory-ish.  Not only that, it would be terrible business on their part.

The simpler answer?  They are just human and dropped the ball on the endings due to time, budget, and publisher pressure.

I have always felt that the endings were supposed to generate speculation and discussion, but BioWare didn't accurately judge what the fan reaction was going to be. As many others in this thread have already stated in multiple places, it is highly likely that BioWare had to take a few steps back and reassess what the DLC schedule was going to be because of the negative reaction the endings that shipped with the game generated.

Does that mean BioWare dropped the ball? Yes. Does it necessarily mean that it can be written off as human error based on time, budget, and publisher pressure? No.

Looking at the fact that the story is still being told to some degree in real-time via multiplayer, you can make reasonable guesses at what the plan was. We still haven't seen the free DLC involving an Earth map or an Operation weekend aimed at retaking Earth. Releasing the EC before reaching that point in the real-time 'war' makes it possible to quell the anger/frustration at the endings, and still proceed with whatever DLC plans they had.

We could still see an IT reveal within a couple weeks of whatever weekend they decide to drop the Operation Earth multiplayer event.

If you disagree, fine. But there is still something going on behind the scenes, and we haven't seen the full story yet.

[Dwailing]

EpyonX3 wrote...

insomniak9 wrote...

It's not speculating, people can actually see these things we're talking about.

Here is the Cerberus logo image



I'm not sure if they're Banshees or Husks, but there's definitely 2 big Dreadnought cannons pointing at them when you run up that slope.

Can you circle what we're supposed to be looking at. I've yet to see one perso agree with you.

I'll admit, even I don't think those shadows look like Cerberus logos, but I've been wrong before.

[insomniak9]

EpyonX3 wrote...

insomniak9 wrote...

I posted from another viewpoint a few pages back, at the bottom of that ramp up to the Control Room, you can see two Alliance Dreadnought Cannons pointing at shadowy figures, that are either Banshees, or Husks, IMO. 
In the first image, look closely at the repeated structure around the top of the screen. It's the Cerberus logo overlapping itself over and over. 
This is the Cannon one:

Those are not canons. It's a 1M1 Antenna.

 They look different, and mine don't say 1m1. Watch the Dreadnought getting eaten by the Reaper just after Shep jumps into the Beam, or right at the very start when the Normandy flies off into space from Earth. 

These are Cannons.

[plfranke]

Rifneno wrote...

plfranke wrote...

We can agree that many times entrances come out of left field but this isn't out of left field it's just insane. There was no physically possible way for him to be there. Oddly enough people tend to just overlook it, call me a stickler. I agree with you there I think that barring hours of explanation from bioware there's a lot of poor writing in the game. The crucible is terrible, the reapers attacking sanctuary, kai leng being all powerful as the plot sees fit.  We can definitely agree on that.

First and foremost, Jesus tapdancing Christ, the quote pyramid!  THIS HURTS ME.

Anyway, the crucible is indeed the worst writing to come from someone not named "Terry Goodkind" but the rest isn't bad.  The Reapers attacked Sanctuary because it was full of refugees.  That's just what they do.  As for Kai Leng, he's an N7.  In case you don't understand the significance, the only known N7 members are: Commander Shepard, Admiral/Councilor/Captain David Anders, Kei Leng, and depending upon choices in ME3, Lee Riley and James Vega.  N7 is the highest combat proficiency the Alliance has.  Even being N1 is "holy ****".  I daresay it's a more exclusive club than spectres.  Now factor in that Kei Leng, after earning that rank, was jammed full of Reaper augmentations.  So yeah, I can see him being insanely powerful.

It wasn't full of refugees though it was a cerberus facility used for experiments. The reapers would have known that if TIM was indoctrinated or maybe they didn't idk because it wasn't explained. Also I agree that he should be incredibly powerful but it's just stupid that he's able to put up barriers to block bullets and stuff and his sword can pierce a shuttle car but then all of a sudden we're able to defeat him and break his sword with our bare hands. From what we saw in some cut scenes we should not have been able to defeat him. And yeah Cerberus going insane all of a sudden as subastris said.

[Big_Boss9]

Rifneno wrote...

plfranke wrote...

We can agree that many times entrances come out of left field but this isn't out of left field it's just insane. There was no physically possible way for him to be there. Oddly enough people tend to just overlook it, call me a stickler. I agree with you there I think that barring hours of explanation from bioware there's a lot of poor writing in the game. The crucible is terrible, the reapers attacking sanctuary, kai leng being all powerful as the plot sees fit.  We can definitely agree on that.

First and foremost, Jesus tapdancing Christ, the quote pyramid!  THIS HURTS ME.

Anyway, the crucible is indeed the worst writing to come from someone not named "Terry Goodkind" but the rest isn't bad.  The Reapers attacked Sanctuary because it was full of refugees.  That's just what they do.  As for Kai Leng, he's an N7.  In case you don't understand the significance, the only known N7 members are: Commander Shepard, Admiral/Councilor/Captain David Anders, Kei Leng, and depending upon choices in ME3, Lee Riley and James Vega.  N7 is the highest combat proficiency the Alliance has.  Even being N1 is "holy ****".  I daresay it's a more exclusive club than spectres.  Now factor in that Kei Leng, after earning that rank, was jammed full of Reaper augmentations.  So yeah, I can see him being insanely powerful.

I don't want to get off-topic too much here, but Kai Leng was an underwhelming, one-dimensional, whining bore. Not a rival befitting Shep.

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 29 juin 2012 - 11:23 .

[MegumiAzusa]

insomniak9 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

insomniak9 wrote...

I posted from another viewpoint a few pages back, at the bottom of that ramp up to the Control Room, you can see two Alliance Dreadnought Cannons pointing at shadowy figures, that are either Banshees, or Husks, IMO. 
In the first image, look closely at the repeated structure around the top of the screen. It's the Cerberus logo overlapping itself over and over. 
This is the Cannon one:

Those are not canons. It's a 1M1 Antenna.

 They look different, and mine don't say 1m1. Watch the Dreadnought getting eaten by the Reaper just after Shep jumps into the Beam, or right at the very start when the Normandy flies off into space from Earth. 

These are Cannons.

They're even called antenna in the game files.

[legaldinho]

SubAstris wrote...

N-Seven wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

 And you're essentially admitting you don't care/don't want to think about it, and thus have no place in this thread.  Taking the ending at face value DEVALUES Mass Effect. 

If you're happy with that, fine.  But don't throw underhand insults at people by suggesting we have no life because we're interested in debating something.

What?  So you're interested ni debating but for those countering your point (hey I used a smiley) 'we have no place in this thread'?

I'm getting at Occam's razor.  A simpler answer is better than a complicated on.  So I present the simpler answer.

As for devaluing Mass Effect...I feel that's absurd.  In fact I feel the other way around.  IT theory would be a cliched, Inception ripoff, with tips of the hat to Total Recall, the red-pill-blue-pill Matrix/Dreamscape and whatever other 'mind twister' movies or fiction you can think of.  

Are those movies, or those mind-twister themes bad?  Nope.  But would be nonsensical for a game series that has styled itself as a heavy-handed, fun, action space-opera (yes this is fantasy-space opera, not Foundation), to suddenly pretend to be a Christopher Nolan or M Night Shymyalan movie riddled with subtle hints.  And lets face it, the story telling in this series has been heavy handed.  If there was a mental struggle going on, Bioware would let you know it from the get go.  There probably would have been a mini-game.

Good point. BW aren't really known for their heavily symbolic endings. Having played through KOTOR again recently, another game with a big twist, they foreshadow the twist so blatantly and very early on that I'm surprised I didn't get it the first time.

The first open scene is a foreshadowing of sorts. The deceptive ship sounds as you see one in flight, then the next thing, it's a kid holding a toy ship. Guess who the kid was?

[dreamgazer]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

I don't want to get off-topic too much here, but Kai Leng was an underwhelming, one-dimensional, whining bore. Not a rival befitting Shep.

"No.  Now it's fun".

Ugh.

[insomniak9]

Bit crude, but it's hard to circle just one, coz they overlap tightly. I've seen one person admit they can see it, although even I think it is a stretch, but I can see it nonetheless.

[CoolioThane]

SubAstris wrote...


I would just like to add that BW have explicitly said many times that they will not do any more to do with the ending. Make of that what you will

Yes. Bioware also told us we wouldn't have an ABC endings and that the EC wouldn't change the endings.
Mae of that what you will.

[insomniak9]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

They're even called antenna in the game files.

Yeah the 1m1s might be, but what are the big gun shaped things in my picture called?

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