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[HellishFiend]

plfranke wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Yeah, but to even arrive at that, you have to assume the run to the beam is real. Given all the elements of the run put together, it's nearly impossible to believe that it actually happened. 

I disagree. It's a similar argument I posed about the goodbyes in London: with the addition of the "goodbye" to whomever accompanied you as they board the Normandy, that'd be a level of emotional manipulation BioWare simply wouldn't execute. 

Once you wake up from the blast and hit the Citadel, it's an interpretive gray area. But I'm of the mind that everything before it undoubtedly happened---perhaps with some detail manipulation from indoctrination. 

that's a pretty terrible plan though. charging a beam with a reaper right there? I mean isn't that what they worked so hard to avoid? If you think about it the entire no mans land mission wass to get rid of the reaper standing in front of the beam and now harbinger the oldest and largest of all reapers is there but they just run in anyway?

This, basically. We already know that Shep has the ridiculous idea in his head about recklessly charging towards your opponent because of the Traynor chess scene. So it seems like the sort of strategy he'd dream about. Not one the real Anderson would endorse. 

[alittlewren]

Starbuck8 wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

LT123 wrote...
Weird.

So Paragon Shep + Paragon response("Everything?")=calm
Paragon Shep + Renegade response ("Absolutely")=distressed

Correct?

What about Renegade Shep?

No not necessarily, some people had the opposite effect. We're not sure what the pattern is yet. Possibly other previous dialogue choices?

I think it's been confirmed that this is the only one that matters. And it's the other way around, Paragon is distressed (doubtful Shepard can do it) and calm is Renegade (confident).

alittlewren said she got the opposite effect social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12047832/1388#12871248
Was that a mistake?

Hi, yes, I  got the opposite effect. I will post the full videos for reference. Basically I chose all top options in both videos, except for "Absolutely" in the distressed version. I've done this several times with a few variations, and the only dialogue that seems to matter so far is whether or not I choose "Everything" or "Absolutely." I'm pretty sure that I haven't tried all variations however, so I'm not sure if that is really it or not. Just wanted to clarify. 

[Simon_Says]

HellishFiend wrote...

Yeah, but to even arrive at that, you have to assume the run to the beam is real. Given all the elements of the run put together, it's nearly impossible to believe that it actually happened.

I'm either missing information about what was weird on Earth pre-conduit run or we simply have different limits to our suspensions of disbelief.

Andromidius wrote...

While this is possible, the problem then is why Joker seems okay with sitting there in front of Harbinger.  Joker wouldn't know the Harbinger has no interest in shooting down the Normandy.  Logically, he'd land further away surely?

Joker's good, and he knows it possibly too well. Remember Therum, Illos, Battle of the Citadel, the Collector Base? Also, the Normandy escaped reaper notice on the escape from Earth (possibly because of the reaper IFF and its own stealth tech)

I wouldn't past Joker to get that close to a reaper.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 30 juin 2012 - 04:04 .

[Andromidius]

Simon_Says wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Yeah, but to even arrive at that,
you have to assume the run to the beam is real. Given all the elements
of the run put together, it's nearly impossible to believe that it
actually happened.

I'm either missing information about what was weird on Earth pre-conduit run or we simply have different limits to our suspensions of disbelief.

Andromidius wrote...

While this is possible, the problem then is why Joker seems okay with sitting there in front of Harbinger.  Joker wouldn't know the Harbinger has no interest in shooting down the Normandy.  Logically, he'd land further away surely?

Joker's good, and he knows it possibly too well. Remember Therum, Illos, Battle of the Citadel, the Collector Base?

If the Normandy escaped reaper notice on the escape from Earth (possibly because of the reaper IFF and its own stealth tech) I wouldn't past Joker to get that close to a reaper.

I still don't buy it.  Reapers aren't blind, and the Normandy's stealth systems only mask it from sensors.  Its just too surreal to be true.

[Starbuck8]

alittlewren wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

alittlewren said she got the opposite effect social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12047832/1388#12871248
Was that a mistake?

Hi, yes, I  got the opposite effect. I will post the full videos for reference. Basically I chose all top options in both videos, except for "Absolutely" in the distressed version. I've done this several times with a few variations, and the only dialogue that seems to matter so far is whether or not I choose "Everything" or "Absolutely." I'm pretty sure that I haven't tried all variations however, so I'm not sure if that is really it or not. Just wanted to clarify.

Oh nice, thanks
This is weird btw. I am puzzled.

[dreamgazer]

HellishFiend wrote...

plfranke wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Yeah, but to even arrive at that, you have to assume the run to the beam is real. Given all the elements of the run put together, it's nearly impossible to believe that it actually happened. 

I disagree. It's a similar argument I posed about the goodbyes in London: with the addition of the "goodbye" to whomever accompanied you as they board the Normandy, that'd be a level of emotional manipulation BioWare simply wouldn't execute. 

Once you wake up from the blast and hit the Citadel, it's an interpretive gray area. But I'm of the mind that everything before it undoubtedly happened---perhaps with some detail manipulation from indoctrination. 

that's a pretty terrible plan though. charging a beam with a reaper right there? I mean isn't that what they worked so hard to avoid? If you think about it the entire no mans land mission wass to get rid of the reaper standing in front of the beam and now harbinger the oldest and largest of all reapers is there but they just run in anyway?

This, basically. We already know that Shep has the ridiculous idea in his head about recklessly charging towards your opponent because of the Traynor chess scene. So it seems like the sort of strategy he'd dream about. Not one the real Anderson would endorse. 

What other choices do they have at this point? It's zero hour, they're crashed, and everyone's getting eviscerated.  There's a point where you go primal. 

[Lokanaiya]

byne wrote...

So, this is off-topic, but bandits in Skyrim amuse me. I just shot one in the face with an arrow, but he didnt die. After about 20 seconds of looking for me, he decided he was just hearing things, and went back to eating food at the table. All the while with a big arrow stuck in his head.

It's even funnier (and crazier) if he goes back after you've already sniped his buddies and their bodies are just lying around on the floor.

No, I haven't been playing too much Dark Brotherhood... Why would you think that...

[Makrys]

Hey guys! Been busy lately. Haven't been able to keep up. Anything new within the past couple days?

[Simon_Says]

dreamgazer wrote...

What other choices do they have at this point? It's zero hour, they're crashed, and everyone's getting eviscerated.
There's a point where you go primal.

Game on?

Modifié par Simon_Says, 30 juin 2012 - 04:09 .

[Nightingale]

alittlewren wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

LT123 wrote...
Weird.

So Paragon Shep + Paragon response("Everything?")=calm
Paragon Shep + Renegade response ("Absolutely")=distressed

Correct?

What about Renegade Shep?

No not necessarily, some people had the opposite effect. We're not sure what the pattern is yet. Possibly other previous dialogue choices?

I think it's been confirmed that this is the only one that matters. And it's the other way around, Paragon is distressed (doubtful Shepard can do it) and calm is Renegade (confident).

alittlewren said she got the opposite effect social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12047832/1388#12871248
Was that a mistake?

Hi, yes, I  got the opposite effect. I will post the full videos for reference. Basically I chose all top options in both videos, except for "Absolutely" in the distressed version. I've done this several times with a few variations, and the only dialogue that seems to matter so far is whether or not I choose "Everything" or "Absolutely." I'm pretty sure that I haven't tried all variations however, so I'm not sure if that is really it or not. Just wanted to clarify. 

Hmm...looks like Star's right then, it's probably something earlier. All the videos I've seen have been paragon. Perhaps it's something to do with reputation. Which romance you chose doesn't seem to have much of an effect, either and I doubt it'd be something as far back (or optional) as the conversation with Joker right after Thessia. This really only comes to mind because it affects a conversation with him later (right before Cronos about EDI, if I'm not mistaken).

[Starbuck8]

Andromidius wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Yeah, but to even arrive at that,
you have to assume the run to the beam is real. Given all the elements
of the run put together, it's nearly impossible to believe that it
actually happened.

I'm either missing information about what was weird on Earth pre-conduit run or we simply have different limits to our suspensions of disbelief.

Andromidius wrote...

While this is possible, the problem then is why Joker seems okay with sitting there in front of Harbinger.  Joker wouldn't know the Harbinger has no interest in shooting down the Normandy.  Logically, he'd land further away surely?

Joker's good, and he knows it possibly too well. Remember Therum, Illos, Battle of the Citadel, the Collector Base?

If the Normandy escaped reaper notice on the escape from Earth (possibly because of the reaper IFF and its own stealth tech) I wouldn't past Joker to get that close to a reaper.

I still don't buy it.  Reapers aren't blind, and the Normandy's stealth systems only mask it from sensors.  Its just too surreal to be true.

I'll just add that the Normandy arrived almost instantly (plot armour? maybe.). And that, especially after the "we do this together" speech in the FOB, Shep's team would not abandon her/him. It would be more in character to see the whole team jumping out of the Normandy to run down the hill. And Javik would never leave the fight, his sole purpose is to fight the reapers, he'd sooner kill Shep if he/she was standing between him and the chance to defeat reapers.

[Nightingale]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Yeah, but to even arrive at that,
you have to assume the run to the beam is real. Given all the elements
of the run put together, it's nearly impossible to believe that it
actually happened.

I'm either missing information about what was weird on Earth pre-conduit run or we simply have different limits to our suspensions of disbelief.

Andromidius wrote...

While this is possible, the problem then is why Joker seems okay with sitting there in front of Harbinger.  Joker wouldn't know the Harbinger has no interest in shooting down the Normandy.  Logically, he'd land further away surely?

Joker's good, and he knows it possibly too well. Remember Therum, Illos, Battle of the Citadel, the Collector Base?

If the Normandy escaped reaper notice on the escape from Earth (possibly because of the reaper IFF and its own stealth tech) I wouldn't past Joker to get that close to a reaper.

I still don't buy it.  Reapers aren't blind, and the Normandy's stealth systems only mask it from sensors.  Its just too surreal to be true.

I'll just add that the Normandy arrived almost instantly (plot armour? maybe.). And that, especially after the "we do this together" speech in the FOB, Shep's team would not abandon her/him. It would be more in character to see the whole team jumping out of the Normandy to run down the hill. And Javik would never leave the fight, his sole purpose is to fight the reapers, he'd sooner kill Shep if he/she was standing between him and the chance to defeat reapers.

Agreed. Think Bioware just said "screw logic, let's just make them feel all the feelings and hope their depression distracts them."

[Andromidius]

Starbuck8 wrote...
I'll just add that the Normandy arrived almost instantly (plot armour? maybe.). And that, especially after the "we do this together" speech in the FOB, Shep's team would not abandon her/him. It would be more in character to see the whole team jumping out of the Normandy to run down the hill. And Javik would never leave the fight, his sole purpose is to fight the reapers, he'd sooner kill Shep if he/she was standing between him and the chance to defeat reapers.

Oh wow, just imagine if your whole team is charging Harbinger alongside you and each gets picked off one by one...

That would be...chilling, yet awesome.

[dreamgazer]

Simon_Says wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

What other choices do they have at this point? It's zero hour, they're crashed, and everyone's getting eviscerated.
There's a point where you go primal.

Game on?

(laughs)

[Simon_Says]

Starbuck8 wrote...

I'll just add that the Normandy arrived almost instantly (plot armour? maybe.). And that, especially after the "we do this together" speech in the FOB, Shep's team would not abandon her/him. It would be more in character to see the whole team jumping out of the Normandy to run down the hill. And Javik would never leave the fight, his sole purpose is to fight the reapers, he'd sooner kill Shep if he/she was standing between him and the chance to defeat reapers.

So out of curiosity I went back to check my screenshots to see if Javik was still aboard Normandy during the funeral. He was.

But Garrus wasn't. Even when he stepped out in the earlier scene. Odd.

[Andromidius]

Simon_Says wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

I'll just add that the Normandy arrived almost instantly (plot armour? maybe.). And that, especially after the "we do this together" speech in the FOB, Shep's team would not abandon her/him. It would be more in character to see the whole team jumping out of the Normandy to run down the hill. And Javik would never leave the fight, his sole purpose is to fight the reapers, he'd sooner kill Shep if he/she was standing between him and the chance to defeat reapers.

So out of curiosity I went back to check my screenshots to see if Javik was still aboard Normandy during the funeral. He was.

But Garrus wasn't. Even when he stepped out in the earlier scene. Odd.

Someone has to callibrate those guns.

[MajorKellyRisner]

IT theroy is fake. simple as that.

[Lokanaiya]

DrTsoni wrote...

alittlewren wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

LT123 wrote...
Weird.

So Paragon Shep + Paragon response("Everything?")=calm
Paragon Shep + Renegade response ("Absolutely")=distressed

Correct?

What about Renegade Shep?

No not necessarily, some people had the opposite effect. We're not sure what the pattern is yet. Possibly other previous dialogue choices?

I think it's been confirmed that this is the only one that matters. And it's the other way around, Paragon is distressed (doubtful Shepard can do it) and calm is Renegade (confident).

alittlewren said she got the opposite effect social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12047832/1388#12871248
Was that a mistake?

Hi, yes, I  got the opposite effect. I will post the full videos for reference. Basically I chose all top options in both videos, except for "Absolutely" in the distressed version. I've done this several times with a few variations, and the only dialogue that seems to matter so far is whether or not I choose "Everything" or "Absolutely." I'm pretty sure that I haven't tried all variations however, so I'm not sure if that is really it or not. Just wanted to clarify. 

Hmm...looks like Star's right then, it's probably something earlier. All the videos I've seen have been paragon. Perhaps it's something to do with reputation. Which romance you chose doesn't seem to have much of an effect, either and I doubt it'd be something as far back (or optional) as the conversation with Joker right after Thessia. This really only comes to mind because it affects a conversation with him later (right before Cronos about EDI, if I'm not mistaken).

Is that something where we can break into the game files and find out? Or would there be too many things to sort through?

[Starbuck8]

Andromidius wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...
I'll just add that the Normandy arrived almost instantly (plot armour? maybe.). And that, especially after the "we do this together" speech in the FOB, Shep's team would not abandon her/him. It would be more in character to see the whole team jumping out of the Normandy to run down the hill. And Javik would never leave the fight, his sole purpose is to fight the reapers, he'd sooner kill Shep if he/she was standing between him and the chance to defeat reapers.

Oh wow, just imagine if your whole team is charging Harbinger alongside you and each gets picked off one by one...

That would be...chilling, yet awesome.

Haha, yeah. I know BW wouldn't want to end all your squadmates' lives in the beam run, but then they shouldn't have scripted the ending this way <_< At least have made it a solo mission or something. I'd believe diverting your 2 squadmates to another team after the "thanix missiles" or something...

[Simon_Says]

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

IT theroy is fake. simple as that.

Thanks for your opinion. Do you mean that IT is not official canon or that it's not a good interpretation of the ending?

[Andromidius]

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

IT theroy is fake. simple as that.

Wow, there's an Indoctrination Theory Theory?  Wow!  Please tell me about it!

Oh wait, its fake.  Awww

Modifié par Andromidius, 30 juin 2012 - 04:15 .

[HellishFiend]

dreamgazer wrote...


What other choices do they have at this point? It's zero hour, they're crashed, and everyone's getting eviscerated.  There's a point where you go primal. 

So youre saying the Mako crashes inexplicably but everyone's fine, then Anderson orders a reckless charge towards the beam with an infinite stream of generic alliance troops, down a hill that has dream trees, shrubs and Ash/Kaidan corpse piles, while Harby refuses to shoot at Shepard until his two squadmates - who are mysteriously wounded by not getting hit by a flying mako - uncharacteristically get on the Normandy and flee, while several soldiers stand in the Normandy cargo bay shooting at nothing, then the Normandy casually flies off to safety with his crewmates while Harby stands there and looks, never firing a single beam during that entire scene until after theyre gone?

You're right, seems legit....

Modifié par HellishFiend, 30 juin 2012 - 04:17 .

[Starbuck8]

Simon_Says wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

I'll just add that the Normandy arrived almost instantly (plot armour? maybe.). And that, especially after the "we do this together" speech in the FOB, Shep's team would not abandon her/him. It would be more in character to see the whole team jumping out of the Normandy to run down the hill. And Javik would never leave the fight, his sole purpose is to fight the reapers, he'd sooner kill Shep if he/she was standing between him and the chance to defeat reapers.

So out of curiosity I went back to check my screenshots to see if Javik was still aboard Normandy during the funeral. He was.

But Garrus wasn't. Even when he stepped out in the earlier scene. Odd.

That IS odd

[Either.Ardrey]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Yeah, but to even arrive at that,
you have to assume the run to the beam is real. Given all the elements
of the run put together, it's nearly impossible to believe that it
actually happened.

I'm either missing information about what was weird on Earth pre-conduit run or we simply have different limits to our suspensions of disbelief.

Andromidius wrote...

While this is possible, the problem then is why Joker seems okay with sitting there in front of Harbinger.  Joker wouldn't know the Harbinger has no interest in shooting down the Normandy.  Logically, he'd land further away surely?

Joker's good, and he knows it possibly too well. Remember Therum, Illos, Battle of the Citadel, the Collector Base?

If the Normandy escaped reaper notice on the escape from Earth (possibly because of the reaper IFF and its own stealth tech) I wouldn't past Joker to get that close to a reaper.

I still don't buy it.  Reapers aren't blind, and the Normandy's stealth systems only mask it from sensors.  Its just too surreal to be true.

I'll just add that the Normandy arrived almost instantly (plot armour? maybe.). And that, especially after the "we do this together" speech in the FOB, Shep's team would not abandon her/him. It would be more in character to see the whole team jumping out of the Normandy to run down the hill. And Javik would never leave the fight, his sole purpose is to fight the reapers, he'd sooner kill Shep if he/she was standing between him and the chance to defeat reapers.

lol. I made my Javik get back on the ship.

[Starbuck8]

Lokanaiya wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

Hmm...looks like Star's right then, it's probably something earlier. All the videos I've seen have been paragon. Perhaps it's something to do with reputation. Which romance you chose doesn't seem to have much of an effect, either and I doubt it'd be something as far back (or optional) as the conversation with Joker right after Thessia. This really only comes to mind because it affects a conversation with him later (right before Cronos about EDI, if I'm not mistaken).

Is that something where we can break into the game files and find out? Or would there be too many things to sort through?

Possibly, but I wouldn't be the one to ask. I don't have any experience with that and I'm on the 360

Modifié par Starbuck8, 30 juin 2012 - 04:17 .