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[Nightingale]

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

IT theroy is fake. simple as that.

[Judas Bock]

Simon_Says wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

I've always assumed that the space scenes needed to look visually real for the sake of maintaining both interpretations. If the space scenes looked hazy or surreal, it would be a pretty dead giveaway. We have justification to question the reality of the space events just because of the nature of the events. I still dont buy the "Normandy Rescue" or the "Retreat" being plausible.

I don't know about the retreat, but I can help about the Normandy rescue.

Simon_Says wrote...
...Harbinger not shooting down the Normandy is likely not a plot hole, but a plot point. IT or not, it's obvious that the Catalyst, whatever it actually is, is out to manipulate Shepard in some fashion to achieve its own agenda. That it takes the form of the child from Shepard's nightmares is proof of that. So naturally destroying Shepard's ship, a vessel and crew with all the emotional attachement that implies, is not in the reapers'/Catalyst's best interests because they want Shepard to be sympathetic to them. They want Shepard to listen to the Catalyst. So destroying everything Shepard held most dear would be simply self-defeating.

But if they want to manipulate Shepard at that point in time and do not fire at the Normandy because they want Shepard to be sympathetic towards them, why do they immediately after Normandy's take-off blast Shepard half dead? Is Harbinger good enough a shot to ensure that Shepard gets that hurt without killing him or what?

[Nightingale]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

Hmm...looks like Star's right then, it's probably something earlier. All the videos I've seen have been paragon. Perhaps it's something to do with reputation. Which romance you chose doesn't seem to have much of an effect, either and I doubt it'd be something as far back (or optional) as the conversation with Joker right after Thessia. This really only comes to mind because it affects a conversation with him later (right before Cronos about EDI, if I'm not mistaken).

Is that something where we can break into the game files and find out? Or would there be too many things to sort through?

Possibly, but I wouldn't be the one to ask. I don't have any experience with that and I'm on the 360

I'm on PS3 so I'm no more useful but I imagine it'd be a lot to sort through.

[MajorKellyRisner]

The Indoctrination Theory is based on what one believes and interpets the game. Doesn't prove that is true. Hense, i call it fake, and believe that it is a load of oranges, with monkeys and eagles

[Starbuck8]

Either.Ardrey wrote...
lol. I made my Javik get back on the ship.

Lol poor Javik. And how OOC is that?
"ok commander, I'll give up and fly away so that someone will live, even though I probably just told you I'm going to commit suicide after this. bye!"

[Simon_Says]

Judas Bock wrote...

But if they want to manipulate Shepard at that point in time and do not fire at the Normandy because they want Shepard to be sympathetic towards them, why do they immediately after Normandy's take-off blast Shepard half dead? Is Harbinger good enough a shot to ensure that Shepard gets that hurt without killing him or what?

Well, wouldn't it be out of character for Harbinger to want Shepard dead? Weakened, demoralized, broken sure but dead?

[Nightingale]

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

The Indoctrination Theory is based on what one believes and interpets the game. Doesn't prove that is true. Hense, i call it fake, and believe that it is a load of oranges, with monkeys and eagles

You don't have to believe it. As you just said, it's ones interpretation. Shall I keep feeding you or would you like to leave us to our speculation now?

[Either.Ardrey]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...
lol. I made my Javik get back on the ship.

Lol poor Javik. And how OOC is that?
"ok commander, I'll give up and fly away so that someone will live, even though I probably just told you I'm going to commit suicide after this. bye!"

Lol. Well, I had to make him keep his promise somehow..

[Makrys]

Makrys wrote...

Hey guys! Been busy lately. Haven't been able to keep up. Anything new within the past couple days?

[Nightingale]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...
lol. I made my Javik get back on the ship.

Lol poor Javik. And how OOC is that?
"ok commander, I'll give up and fly away so that someone will live, even though I probably just told you I'm going to commit suicide after this. bye!"

Wow. How had I not even considered that before? And I was bugged that Garrus had nothing to say while Shepard said her goodbyes to Liara...

[HellishFiend]

DrTsoni wrote...

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

The Indoctrination Theory is based on what one believes and interpets the game. Doesn't prove that is true. Hense, i call it fake, and believe that it is a load of oranges, with monkeys and eagles

You don't have to believe it. As you just said, it's ones interpretation. Shall I keep feeding you or would you like to leave us to our speculation now?

Be careful with that troll feed. Dont give out seconds. We have a lot of mouths to feed you know. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 30 juin 2012 - 04:24 .

[Arian Dynas]

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

IT theroy is fake. simple as that.

The only thing simple here would be you.

[HellishFiend]

Makrys wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Hey guys! Been busy lately. Haven't been able to keep up. Anything new within the past couple days?

The famous synthetic from Star Trek, Data, has decided he hates the new Synthesis ending.

[Simon_Says]

Arian Dynas wrote...

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

IT theroy is fake. simple as that.

The only thing simple here would be you.

Arian, be better than that.

[dreamgazer]

HellishFiend wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...


What other choices do they have at this point? It's zero hour, they're crashed, and everyone's getting eviscerated.  There's a point where you go primal. 

So youre saying the Mako crashes inexplicably but everyone's fine, then Anderson orders a reckless charge towards the beam with an infinite stream of generic alliance troops, down a hill that has dream trees and shrubs, while Harby refuses to shoot at Shepard until his two squadmates - who are mysteriously wounded by not getting hit by a flying mako - uncharacteristically get on the Normandy and flee, while several soldiers stand in the Normandy cargo bay shooting at nothing, then the Normandy casually flies off to safety with his crewmates while Harby stands there and looks, never firing a single beam during that entire scene until after theyre gone?

You're right, seems legit....

Factor in the explanation above about how Harbinger---and the Reapers---understand Shepard's importance, and the idea that Harbinger may have wounded Shepard to prime him for the decision chamber, then yes.  There's a fable where a hero can only experience the metaphysical by drinking himself into a complete stupor, and that could be a similar situation: hit 'em just hard enough to facilitate hallucination and/or weaken their physical state while deciding.   

Do you realize how many times Shepard defies death in ME3, in unrealistic ways? Dramatic effect, and the vehicle flip wasn't that unbelievable in comparison. The soldiers were likely shooting at husks and marauders, like the ones that surface in Shepard's final limp towards the conduit.  And considering all the crap littered about, I'm not surprised one bit that the vehicle gets thwarted. 

I don't have a problem with the storm to the conduit from a literal standpoint.

[Starbuck8]

Either.Ardrey wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...
lol. I made my Javik get back on the ship.

Lol poor Javik. And how OOC is that?
"ok commander, I'll give up and fly away so that someone will live, even though I probably just told you I'm going to commit suicide after this. bye!"

Lol. Well, I had to make him keep his promise somehow..

"get on the damn ship, Javik. you promised!" hahaha

[Arian Dynas]

Simon_Says wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

IT theroy is fake. simple as that.

The only thing simple here would be you.

Arian, be better than that.

Critic.

Fine, I'll go think up a wittier retort.

[dreamgazer]

Judas Bock wrote...

But if they want to manipulate Shepard at that point in time and do not fire at the Normandy because they want Shepard to be sympathetic towards them, why do they immediately after Normandy's take-off blast Shepard half dead? Is Harbinger good enough a shot to ensure that Shepard gets that hurt without killing him or what?

Sure.  Grazed him, if we're going literal.

We know, from Rannoch, that hitting Shepard square-on instantly kills Shepard. There's a reason he "survives".

[Makrys]

HellishFiend wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Hey guys! Been busy lately. Haven't been able to keep up. Anything new within the past couple days?

The famous synthetic from Star Trek, Data, has decided he hates the new Synthesis ending.

I just watched that actually, before I even saw this post. I clicked on your new signature icon. I left a comment on the video. 

I mean anything new evidence wise. 

[Nightingale]

HellishFiend wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

The Indoctrination Theory is based on what one believes and interpets the game. Doesn't prove that is true. Hense, i call it fake, and believe that it is a load of oranges, with monkeys and eagles

You don't have to believe it. As you just said, it's ones interpretation. Shall I keep feeding you or would you like to leave us to our speculation now?

Be careful with that troll feed. Dont give out seconds. We have a lot of mouths to feed you know. 

I know, but I feel so bad for them. They must be starved if they're coming here where we typically disregard their ignorance.

[Simon_Says]

dreamgazer wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

What other choices do they have at this point? It's zero hour, they're crashed, and everyone's getting eviscerated.  There's a point where you go primal.

So youre saying the Mako crashes inexplicably but everyone's fine, then Anderson orders a reckless charge towards the beam with an infinite stream of generic alliance troops, down a hill that has dream trees and shrubs, while Harby refuses to shoot at Shepard until his two squadmates - who are mysteriously wounded by not getting hit by a flying mako - uncharacteristically get on the Normandy and flee, while several soldiers stand in the Normandy cargo bay shooting at nothing, then the Normandy casually flies off to safety with his crewmates while Harby stands there and looks, never firing a single beam during that entire scene until after theyre gone?

You're right, seems legit....

Factor in the explanation above about how Harbinger---and the Reapers---understand Shepard's importance, and the idea that Harbinger may have wounded Shepard to prime him for the decision chamber, then yes.  There's a fable where a hero can only experience the metaphysical by drinking himself into a complete stupor, and that could be a similar situation: hit 'em just hard enough to facilitate hallucination and/or weaken their physical state while deciding.  

Do you realize how many times Shepard defies death in ME3, in unrealistic ways? Dramatic effect, and the vehicle flip wasn't that unbelievable in comparison. The soldiers were likely shooting at husks and marauders, like the ones that surface in Shepard's final limp towards the conduit.  And considering all the crap littered about, I'm not surprised one bit that the vehicle gets thwarted. 

I don't have a problem with the storm to the conduit from a literal standpoint.

I'm with Gazer on this one. If you assume that the reapers are actively trying to indoctrinate Shepard, the run  makes sense.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 30 juin 2012 - 04:33 .

[HellishFiend]

Makrys wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Hey guys! Been busy lately. Haven't been able to keep up. Anything new within the past couple days?

The famous synthetic from Star Trek, Data, has decided he hates the new Synthesis ending.

I just watched that actually, before I even saw this post. I clicked on your new signature icon. I left a comment on the video. 

I mean anything new evidence wise. 

That's not evidence?  

[plfranke]

dreamgazer wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...


What other choices do they have at this point? It's zero hour, they're crashed, and everyone's getting eviscerated.  There's a point where you go primal. 

So youre saying the Mako crashes inexplicably but everyone's fine, then Anderson orders a reckless charge towards the beam with an infinite stream of generic alliance troops, down a hill that has dream trees and shrubs, while Harby refuses to shoot at Shepard until his two squadmates - who are mysteriously wounded by not getting hit by a flying mako - uncharacteristically get on the Normandy and flee, while several soldiers stand in the Normandy cargo bay shooting at nothing, then the Normandy casually flies off to safety with his crewmates while Harby stands there and looks, never firing a single beam during that entire scene until after theyre gone?

You're right, seems legit....

Factor in the explanation above about how Harbinger---and the Reapers---understand Shepard's importance, and the idea that Harbinger may have wounded Shepard to prime him for the decision chamber, then yes.  There's a fable where a hero can only experience the metaphysical by drinking himself into a complete stupor, and that could be a similar situation: hit 'em just hard enough to facilitate hallucination and/or weaken their physical state while deciding.   

Do you realize how many times Shepard defies death in ME3, in unrealistic ways? Dramatic effect, and the vehicle flip wasn't that unbelievable in comparison. The soldiers were likely shooting at husks and marauders, like the ones that surface in Shepard's final limp towards the conduit.  And considering all the crap littered about, I'm not surprised one bit that the vehicle gets thwarted. 

I don't have a problem with the storm to the conduit from a literal standpoint.

hellish forgot to mention that the normandy arrives immediately after being called. for that matter what makes them think that the beam takes them anywhere useful. the beam could have transported them to afterlife club for all we know. london seems like it is all a dream tbh especially the charge

[LT123]

Well, this is really weird. I'm experimenting with the dream expressions and not getting consistent results. I wonder if there's a flag that's getting set somewhere in the dialogue.

Paragon FemShep, Kaidan romance, skipping dialogue with space bar. Edit: Also, I'm just letting Shepard stand still until the timer runs on in the dream instead of chasing the kid.

Thus far:

Tested once

All Paragon responses + clothes coming off=calm Shep

All Paragon responses + clothes staying on=calm Shep

Renegade, Paragon, Paragon + clothes coming off=calm Shep

Here's where it gets weird.

Testing four times
1) Renegade, Paragon, Paragon + clothes stay on=distressed Shep
2) Renegade, Paragon, Paragon + clothes stay on=calm Shep
3) Renegade, Paragon, Paragon + clothes stay on=distressed Shep
4) Renegade, Paragon, Paragon + clothes stay on=calm Shep

I have no idea what to make of this. I'll run the other options multiple times to see if it flips back and forth with those too.

Modifié par LT123, 30 juin 2012 - 04:33 .

[Makrys]

I just realized there were a lot of 'I's in that post... how selfish of I!