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[D.Sharrah]

HellishFiend wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

What the anti-IT people propose instead of IT? Just that BioWare failed everyone?

I think most of them are just engaging in angry mob bandwagon mentality, to be honest. Most of them are probably closet IT supporters, or closet optimists. If you've dealt with kids and teenagers enough, you learn to pick up on when they are using anger as a defense mechanism against being hurt (hell, even adults do it sometimes). Granted, its harder to pick up on that on an internet forum, but it still feels like that's what is going on here. 

I should add that one of the reasons it feels like that is what's happening is because, well, theyre still HERE. If they were just pissed at Bioware and felt there was no chance of redemption for them (as they claim), they would have already made their peace and moved on by now. Instead, theyre still here, continuing to register displeasure and frustration. That suggests to me that theyre secretly (perhaps even unknowingly) holding on to the hope that Bioware wont let them down in the end. 

I hope you are right and that in the end coming to the forums will feel like a never ending party to celebrate one of the greatest gaming trilogies to ever be conceived.

[Arian Dynas]

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

What the anti-IT people propose instead of IT? Just that BioWare failed everyone?

I think most of them are just engaging in angry mob bandwagon mentality, to be honest. Most of them are probably closet IT supporters, or closet optimists. If you've dealt with kids and teenagers enough, you learn to pick up on when they are using anger as a defense mechanism against being hurt (hell, even adults do it sometimes). Granted, its harder to pick up on that on an internet forum, but it still feels like that's what is going on here. 

Correction.

Adults do it just as much as teenagers, it's a human reaction, it can be why a man decides to hate his ex if they break up, why divorced couples are often vicious and agressive to one another, things of that sort.

[Xavendithas]

HellishFiend wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

What the anti-IT people propose instead of IT? Just that BioWare failed everyone?

I think most of them are just engaging in angry mob bandwagon mentality, to be honest. Most of them are probably closet IT supporters, or closet optimists. If you've dealt with kids and teenagers enough, you learn to pick up on when they are using anger as a defense mechanism against being hurt (hell, even adults do it sometimes). Granted, its harder to pick up on that on an internet forum, but it still feels like that's what is going on here. 

I should add that one of the reasons it feels like that is what's happening is because, well, theyre still HERE. If they were just pissed at Bioware and felt there was no chance of redemption for them (as they claim), they would have already made their peace and moved on by now. Instead, theyre still here, continuing to register displeasure and frustration. That suggests to me that theyre secretly (perhaps even unknowingly) holding on to the hope that Bioware wont let them down in the end. 

Haha, they are just stuck on step 3 of the grieving cycle.

[Arian Dynas]

Xavendithas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...


I think even more anger will be directed at the IT believers if the theory comes to fruition. Some of the people seem so convinced that it was just bad writing they will just turn around and throw it in our faces that the ending got changed to IT because of us.

I'm crossing my fingers that Bioware has some way of proving beyond a doubt that the ending was designed to be an Indoctrination sequence all along. If I were them, I would have had a plan in place to make sure there would be no controversy along those lines. 

I suspect they will. I started playing ME1 again a couple of days ago... it is remarkable how much Shepard has aged by the events of ME3 when compared to how he looks in ME1. I think his ragged physical appearance is supposed to be an indicator of what is happening to him.

Throughout the whole 3rd game I kept seeing Shep's beard and kept thinking to myself "He really needs a shave, there is no way that scruff is within regulations."

[Arian Dynas]

Xavendithas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

What the anti-IT people propose instead of IT? Just that BioWare failed everyone?

I think most of them are just engaging in angry mob bandwagon mentality, to be honest. Most of them are probably closet IT supporters, or closet optimists. If you've dealt with kids and teenagers enough, you learn to pick up on when they are using anger as a defense mechanism against being hurt (hell, even adults do it sometimes). Granted, its harder to pick up on that on an internet forum, but it still feels like that's what is going on here. 

I should add that one of the reasons it feels like that is what's happening is because, well, theyre still HERE. If they were just pissed at Bioware and felt there was no chance of redemption for them (as they claim), they would have already made their peace and moved on by now. Instead, theyre still here, continuing to register displeasure and frustration. That suggests to me that theyre secretly (perhaps even unknowingly) holding on to the hope that Bioware wont let them down in the end. 

Haha, they are just stuck on step 3 of the grieving cycle.

Step one: Denial

Step Two: Anger

Step Three: Bargaining

Step Four: Depression

Step Five: Acceptance More Depression

Step Six: Acceptance

Step Seven: Speculation

The comic they made was too short, it ommited the last two stages.

[HellishFiend]

Arian Dynas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

What the anti-IT people propose instead of IT? Just that BioWare failed everyone?

I think most of them are just engaging in angry mob bandwagon mentality, to be honest. Most of them are probably closet IT supporters, or closet optimists. If you've dealt with kids and teenagers enough, you learn to pick up on when they are using anger as a defense mechanism against being hurt (hell, even adults do it sometimes). Granted, its harder to pick up on that on an internet forum, but it still feels like that's what is going on here. 

Correction.

Adults do it just as much as teenagers, it's a human reaction, it can be why a man decides to hate his ex if they break up, why divorced couples are often vicious and agressive to one another, things of that sort.

That's not true. The increased hormone levels in teenagers, coupled with natural, normal immaturity levels for that age, make it much more prevalent in them. If certain adults act that way just as much as a teenager, its probably an issue with their genes or their development. Anyway, thats way off topic, so enough of that.....

[Xavendithas]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...


I think even more anger will be directed at the IT believers if the theory comes to fruition. Some of the people seem so convinced that it was just bad writing they will just turn around and throw it in our faces that the ending got changed to IT because of us.

I'm crossing my fingers that Bioware has some way of proving beyond a doubt that the ending was designed to be an Indoctrination sequence all along. If I were them, I would have had a plan in place to make sure there would be no controversy along those lines. 

I suspect they will. I started playing ME1 again a couple of days ago... it is remarkable how much Shepard has aged by the events of ME3 when compared to how he looks in ME1. I think his ragged physical appearance is supposed to be an indicator of what is happening to him.

Throughout the whole 3rd game I kept seeing Shep's beard and kept thinking to myself "He really needs a shave, there is no way that scruff is within regulations."

Heh, yep. But in all seriousness, even taking the advancement of the graphics into consideration... Shep, male shep anyways(I don't have a femshep save yet) looks real rough around the edges in this third game.

[HellishFiend]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...


I think even more anger will be directed at the IT believers if the theory comes to fruition. Some of the people seem so convinced that it was just bad writing they will just turn around and throw it in our faces that the ending got changed to IT because of us.

I'm crossing my fingers that Bioware has some way of proving beyond a doubt that the ending was designed to be an Indoctrination sequence all along. If I were them, I would have had a plan in place to make sure there would be no controversy along those lines. 

I suspect they will. I started playing ME1 again a couple of days ago... it is remarkable how much Shepard has aged by the events of ME3 when compared to how he looks in ME1. I think his ragged physical appearance is supposed to be an indicator of what is happening to him.

Throughout the whole 3rd game I kept seeing Shep's beard and kept thinking to myself "He really needs a shave, there is no way that scruff is within regulations."

My Shep has had a beard since ME1... He grows one in ME3 even if he didnt start with one?

[paxxton]

HellishFiend wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

What the anti-IT people propose instead of IT? Just that BioWare failed everyone?

I think most of them are just engaging in angry mob bandwagon mentality, to be honest. Most of them are probably closet IT supporters, or closet optimists. If you've dealt with kids and teenagers enough, you learn to pick up on when they are using anger as a defense mechanism against being hurt (hell, even adults do it sometimes). Granted, its harder to pick up on that on an internet forum, but it still feels like that's what is going on here. 

I should add that one of the reasons it feels like that is what's happening is because, well, theyre still HERE. If they were just pissed at Bioware and felt there was no chance of redemption for them (as they claim), they would have already made their peace and moved on by now. Instead, theyre still here, continuing to register displeasure and frustration. That suggests to me that theyre secretly (perhaps even unknowingly) holding on to the hope that Bioware wont let them down in the end. 

That's quite an analytical explanation. If that's the case, they should convert themselves to ITists - it will give them true hope. Otherwise, they're in for a disappointment if they want to force BioWare to throw the current ending out the airlock. On the other hand, how shocking it would be for ITists if IT was rejected officially by BioWare. I guess for many the roles would switch in that situation.

Modifié par paxxton, 21 mai 2012 - 03:10 .

[D.Sharrah]

From another topic...felt that this had alot of relevance to what is being discussed...its clear to me that the majority of anti-IT'ers don't even understand the complexity at which we have approached this problem...

LucasShark wrote...

Okay: Let's say everything the IT theorists are spouting is right: their little theory is correct and I'm stupid, and my mother was a ****, and everything else they've told me is correct. And I'm being VERY generous here considering the last piece of "evidence" I saw was a bloke realizing that the citadel tower chamber kind of sort of looks like a reaper if you squint and have pink-eye.

Now here's the problem I want them all to admit to right now: IT IS NOT, repeat IS NOT an ending.

Should IT be correct, and you "win" by choosing destroy the reapers, and Shepard wakes up: where do we wake up? We are plonked back onto Earth, MID-BATTLE no less, with a no doubt wounded team and reaprs everywhere. This isn't a situation that five minuts, or een 10 minutes of cutscenes or quick time events could fix. This is still a story written into a hole.

This will lead to one of two things: more post-credits DLC content, which will likely be paid for, or a new game entirely. This means Bioware lied, fundamentally in nearly all their promo material and all the raming that went into ME3. It also means, that if these items are not free, I will not get them, and even then: they will have to be delivered to my door, with chocolates and appologies before I purchase another Bioware product ever again.

This actually is one of the things that is heavily speculated on by IT theorists...in fact one of the most recent discussions has been about how IT was supposed to tie into the overall marketing of the game and the marketing of the DLC...the general thought IT was planned and the community was supposed to figure out that something was off...and that the events on ANN (Alliance News Network), and the MP expansions would eventually tie in with the "timeline" of the SP game, culminating in post ending DLC that continued/concluded the story. In fact, I have never gotten the impression from anyone that leaves me thinking that they think IT is an "ending" - but more of a bridge to the truly epic conclusion the trilogy deserves. - This was my response in that thread.

Modifié par D.Sharrah, 21 mai 2012 - 03:15 .

[D.Sharrah]

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

What the anti-IT people propose instead of IT? Just that BioWare failed everyone?

I think most of them are just engaging in angry mob bandwagon mentality, to be honest. Most of them are probably closet IT supporters, or closet optimists. If you've dealt with kids and teenagers enough, you learn to pick up on when they are using anger as a defense mechanism against being hurt (hell, even adults do it sometimes). Granted, its harder to pick up on that on an internet forum, but it still feels like that's what is going on here. 

I should add that one of the reasons it feels like that is what's happening is because, well, theyre still HERE. If they were just pissed at Bioware and felt there was no chance of redemption for them (as they claim), they would have already made their peace and moved on by now. Instead, theyre still here, continuing to register displeasure and frustration. That suggests to me that theyre secretly (perhaps even unknowingly) holding on to the hope that Bioware wont let them down in the end. 

That's quite an analytical explanation. If that's the case, they should convert themselves to ITists - it will give them true hope. Otherwise, they're in for a disappointment if they want to force BioWare to throw the current ending out the airlock. On the other hand, how shocking it would be for ITists if IT was rejected officially by BioWare. I guess for many the roles would switch in that situation.

At least for me that wouldn't be the case...ultimately this is Bioware's story and if they come with a solution that works w/o IT, I would be ok with that.

[paxxton]

 I didn't realize what is discussed there is at such a crazy level. And I wanted to visit an anti-IT thread to read. I'll think about it again. Though it might be "enlightening".

Modifié par paxxton, 21 mai 2012 - 03:23 .

[D.Sharrah]

D.Sharrah wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

Okay: Let's say everything the IT theorists are spouting is right: their little theory is correct and I'm stupid, and my mother was a ****, and everything else they've told me is correct. And I'm being VERY generous here considering the last piece of "evidence" I saw was a bloke realizing that the citadel tower chamber kind of sort of looks like a reaper if you squint and have pink-eye.

Now here's the problem I want them all to admit to right now: IT IS NOT, repeat IS NOT an ending.

Should IT be correct, and you "win" by choosing destroy the reapers, and Shepard wakes up: where do we wake up? We are plonked back onto Earth, MID-BATTLE no less, with a no doubt wounded team and reaprs everywhere. This isn't a situation that five minuts, or een 10 minutes of cutscenes or quick time events could fix. This is still a story written into a hole.

This will lead to one of two things: more post-credits DLC content, which will likely be paid for, or a new game entirely. This means Bioware lied, fundamentally in nearly all their promo material and all the raming that went into ME3. It also means, that if these items are not free, I will not get them, and even then: they will have to be delivered to my door, with chocolates and appologies before I purchase another Bioware product ever again.

This actually is one of the things that is heavily speculated on by IT theorists...in fact one of the most recent discussions has been about how IT was supposed to tie into the overall marketing of the game and the marketing of the DLC...the general thought IT was planned and the community was supposed to figure out that something was off...and that the events on ANN (Alliance News Network), and the MP expansions would eventually tie in with the "timeline" of the SP game, culminating in post ending DLC that continued/concluded the story. In fact, I have never gotten the impression from anyone that leaves me thinking that they think IT is an "ending" - but more of a bridge to the truly epic conclusion the trilogy deserves.

... that is... so stupid... THt would be the worst marketing decision ever made by a human being.


And this is the response that was given, when I tried to show that we were taking the point into consideration...

[Karolus_V]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Karolus_V wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

Karolus_V wrote...


Bold part...

Yeah, a milestone ofnhow to enrage all your fanbase, make them fight between themselves, and in the end, make people wary of future games.  It's like the canon killing in twitter, the management they have done after the "crisis"...is stupid. Whatever is the case with IT, and if the EC isnt magnificent, there is going to be backslash, one way or another. I dont see after all is happening, anyone would see this as a privilege. 

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Personally, I like IT, is by far better than we got now. In fact when i beated the game, I thinked something was amiss, but in the end, for how Bioware has been acting, I wonder if this ending and all this controversy, is in reality a byproduct of cutting corners in the production(time,resources, changing of personel).  

Being a fanatic never helped anyone (this applies for both sides). If everyone can keep their cool and is willing accept the opinion of the others, then it's very fun to discuss . In the worst case, you can simply agree to disagree and if someone becomes too agressive, ignore them. That's all.
Don't forget also something, it's still just a game. We all love it (personally its my favourite one, I'm playing for more than twenty years and I've never got so much invested in a game) but it's a game.

And yes, it could be a serious backlash, but it's still something we never have seen in the videogame history (for the better or the worst).

If you really like the IT, you should sometimes take a look on this thread, there is a lot of your doubts which could disappear..

Edit : Bioware wanted speculations from everyone. In one sense, "mission accomplished".

My first doubt is EA. I have really good reasons to think they said Bioware "end this NOW". Most recent case? Command and Conquer 4, Tiberian Twilight (if you doesnt know, a scifi RTS with, in my opinon a good storyline and even choices sometimes >:>!) .Well, C&C4 was going to be the end of the Tiberium saga, with 4 games, and inbetween some expansions(and with cutescenes with actors in them).15 years from first game to last. C&C fans wanting to know how all is going to end. What we got? A cutted down game that only resembles C&C in the name, and because Kane is in it. Why was that? EA sliced the budget a lot(like in half if I remember well,MID DEVELOPMENT), wanted to put more enfasis in multiplayer (even in single campaign, you have a CPU companion replacing the second player , if you are playing solo) and wanted it out ASAP. What was the worst? The story in reality wasnt going to end like it ended...so MEH.

And second, about my doubts, I wait until EC. Perhaps they really arent going the IT route, and there is something else, or they are going to improve the quality of the ending, making it good, without actually going IT. Even with that, as I said, something is fishy with ME3 ending.

Going to point this out AGAIN, aside from the fact that both EA and Bioware have HUGE financial reasons, Bioware as artists have reasons, they are truly interacting with their audience and are causing them to actually roleplay, creating a character a personality, adopting a persona, and doing the one thing they claimed they would from the very beginning. 

Bioware makes games they would like to play.

And the funny thing about it? They aren't losing out on this at all. The only thing on the line is their reputation, which assuming this whole thing was planned will get completely turned around.

Returned copies? They don't lose any money, the distributing franchises like Gamestop and Amazon do, (considering Origin flatly refused refunds)  and the only thing they maybe lose from them is reputation, which if they turn it around by revealing this massive plot twist? They just earned back AND MORE.

Sold games? Put in the used bin? Cerberus network all over again baby, people buy those used games, they already got their money from producing them, now they get to charge an additional $15 for the actual ending. Cash money.

Well what about the people who sold their games? Wouldn't you go out to buy another copy of one of the greatest games ever that was suddenly vindicated by the most epic twist in videogame interactive storytelling history? Especially since now with an ending suited to it, it's perfect? They just sold the same game to a person TWICE. Jackpot.

Lost reputation due to the worst ending in videogame history? Not quite, it's now being actually advertised as "The Most Talked About Ending in Years!" and there's no advertisement like free advertisement, and you KNOW people will buy it out of morbid cuiriousity to see if the ending is really that bad, and plenty will remember the good parts and think "Hmm, that game was fantastic for 98%" and potentially go back to buy the other two. Ca-CHING!

And the prestige! (not the Christopher Nolan flick) Bioware suddenly will be rocketed to the top again as brilliant storytellers, completely vindicated in the eyes of even their most curmudgeonly fans after the supposed fiasco of DA2, as well as having pulled off a plot twist that would make M. Night Shamaylan cry in jealousy,  something other developers will dream of copying, but being completely unable to, cementing Bioware's reputation as tops in the videogame storytelling biz. EA will have conquered their reputation as this evil monolithic company, concerned only with making money (yet ironically, will be making more bank than ever, hmm funny, seems people don't mind that when they get what they want out of it.)

And revealing something this big? After the treatment the ending got on the news, you can BET this will be plastered EVERYWHERE. Yet more free advertisement. Not to mention everyone and their literature professor will be talking about it and dissecting it ala Kubrickian methods for years to come (just like we are now) they will have cemented their place as videogame legends.

Not to mention this will be a HUGE jumping off point for an entire FRANCHISE, Mass Effect just became mainstream, nearly as much as Star Trek and Star Wars, with a feature length movie, comic books, videogames, statuettes, three award winning games, the top of their respective markets, novels, patches, tee shirts, anime, all dragged into the limelight.

Think about it greedily if you must, EA is full of smart, undeniably greedy people,  do you honestly think they would possibly turn down a gold mine like this, with literally NO downside? IT is a win-win suitation for them, if Bioware DIDN'T do it or plan it, EA would be leaning on them anyway TO do it, their artistic integrity be damned! And yet Bioware gets to pull off a first in gaming, a truly interactive, involving storytelling experience, involving REAL roleplaying (not just Paragon and Renegade choices) with actual interprative vaue just like any well written novel, and a genuine artistic value.

It is literally a win-win suitation. And If I can think of it, you can bet your bollocks that EA and Bioware would.

Dont make me say what EA is full of, there isnt enough censor capabilities in the world for it.

I am sorry I am going to answer short(I want to go already to sleep now )but I am going to pont to what are for me the main issues with what you are triyng to convince me.

First:Yeah, I am sure the enjoyed a lot playing Dragon Age 2.  ,what a delicious game to play.

I am sure there is people who havent buyed it because the ending controversy. People dont like to invest in something to be left disappointed in the end. Even people who only hears now about the game, in most cases will stay in their "comfort" zone, not wanting to risk money in a game receiving so bad press.

And well,this hurts me, but,  with the way this have been handled by Bioware, I wonder if they really care about their "old fans", the ones were when hearing "NEW BIOWARE GAME" ,are  going  to go running like lighting to the store waving money in their hands with a creepy smile in their faces, but  this could have made them, at least wary of bioware (DA2 I forgive...ME3 ending handling -ending itself and communications- not).

Roleplaying: Neverwinter Nights online servers. That was roleplaying.  


I dont see it soo win-win. More like Potentially Win-Only partial loss.

P.D:Origin dont wanting to refund can kiss my ass in my country
P.D2:I lifted my ban on EA games after some years, because of C&C3. After C&C4 I renewed the ban excepting Bioware games. They are close to be included , EC not withstanding.

[Dwailing]

LOL, I just watched a YouTube video of the chat with Kaidan as ManShep if you're in a relationship with someone else and I reached the part where he talks about how his integrity bugs some people. I guess Bioware was taking a shot at all the people who think he's boring. (Never had that problem myself.)

[BleedingUranium]

Not exactly IT, but about people's state of mind. Is anyone else very much bothered by the phrase "It's just a game"? What about "It's just a movie", "It's just a novel", or "It's just a song"? Yeah, I've never heard those either.

So, a really good, indepth, (etc) game is still "just a game", but the-book-series-that-shall-not-be-named-on-BSN (or so I've heard), Justin Bieber, and sooooo many other things I can think of are, even if thought by people with a brain to be terrible, are still art?

Okay then

[gunslinger_ruiz]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Not exactly IT, but about people's state of mind. Is anyone else very much bothered by the phrase "It's just a game"? What about "It's just a movie", "It's just a novel", or "It's just a song"? Yeah, I've never heard those either.

So, a really good, indepth, (etc) game is still "just a game", but the-book-series-that-shall-not-be-named-on-BSN (or so I've heard), Justin Bieber, and sooooo many other things I can think of are, even if thought by people with a brain to be terrible, are still art?

Okay then

If it was "just a game" the backlash wouldn't be so bad . While yes it is a game it's also a very emotionally engaging experience, potentially a little too engaging given the anger certain fans are feeling.

[OneWithTheAssassins]

I was going to mention this: http://social.biowar.../index/12161242
But it seems we're already discussing it. Their disscustion is definatly faceplam worthy.

Modifié par OneWithTheAssassins, 21 mai 2012 - 03:50 .

[gunslinger_ruiz]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

I was going to mention this: http://social.biowar.../index/12161242
But it seems we're already discussing it. Their disscustion is definatly faceplam worthy.

I hurt myself facepalming this o_o.

[Arian Dynas]

D.Sharrah, OneWithTheAssasins, if you guys feel the need to post my theories on Bioware's itinerary, feel free, either that or I will do it myself.

[prettz]

could not find a good high res for Shepard eyes at each ending so I did my own.
so dose that look like reaper like cables in Shepard eyes?

[Uncle Jo]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

If it was "just a game" the backlash wouldn't be so bad . While yes it is a game it's also a very emotionally engaging experience, potentially a little too engaging given the anger certain fans are feeling.

I don't find anything pejorative with "It's just a game". ME3 is very, very good game, probably the best one of the last decade and one of the bests in the game history, with a revolutionary approach of the interactivity between the game and the player. The cherry on the top is still coming with the DLC EC...
But people going on rampage because of the ending or calling other names because they either believe in IT or not quite saddens me. I find it personally way too exaggerated and that's why I still say "come on people it's just a game".
Nothing could be farther than my mind to try disminish the value of Bioware's work or their artistic vision...

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 21 mai 2012 - 04:12 .

[TSA_383]

prettz wrote...

could not find a good high res for Shepard eyes at each ending so I did my own.
so dose that look like reaper like cables in Shepard eyes?

Yep, similar texture.

[paxxton]

Uncle Jo wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

If it was "just a game" the backlash wouldn't be so bad . While yes it is a game it's also a very emotionally engaging experience, potentially a little too engaging given the anger certain fans are feeling.

I don't find anything pejorative with "It's just a game". ME3 is very, very good game, probably the best one of the last decade and one of the bests in the game history, with a revolutionary approach of the interactivity between the game and the player. The cherry on the top is still coming with the DLC EC...
But people going on rampage because of the ending or calling other names because they either believe in IT or not quite saddens me. I find it personally way too exaggerated and that's why I still say "come on people it's just a game".
Nothing could be farther than my mind to try disminish the value of Bioware's work or their artistic vision...

You should play Dark Earth. It had one of the most engaging stories I have ever experienced in a computer game. Unforgettable.

Modifié par paxxton, 21 mai 2012 - 04:35 .

[paxxton]

Redundant post.

Modifié par paxxton, 21 mai 2012 - 04:22 .