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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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DrTsoni wrote...
Spooky Action at a Distance


That sounds like a euphemism for phone sex with Agent Mulder.

And of course, as raised in my script, who says we need to have Shepard fire the Crucible? He could merely be playing Aragorn to someone else's Frodo.

You can have action happen off screen and not necessarily need to show it.

We had our climax, Shepard beats indoctrination off with a stick. Deneumont will come later.

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Spartas Husky wrote...


.... that... that for me was like... wtf

first wth did the normandy came down from the space battle. Is more important to evac 2 guys that continously using thanix cannon on the reapers?

And then I look back and harbinger is like... yeah its kool take 5 i'll wait.

:huh:


Plus, if the Normandy could park it's ass right in front of the beam, what was the entire point of London?? 

Hey Joker, drop me off right there. *points at beam*

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masster blaster wrote...

Has anybody imported the Normandy not even upgraded at all and did anybody ever try not to improve the Normandys enggiens at all im ME2 and ME3. It's just that Bioware siad have you played all possibilitys of the endgame out come. So ya and what if you really don't do anything to improve the Crucible in ME3. Does the Catalyst say it look okay or does it say it does not look compatable to do anything.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           sorry thought i would bring it up again.

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masster blaster wrote...

Arian She is in highschool.


Meh, so? I'm a college sophmore, as well as single and desperate. ;)

And to be honest, not paticularly serious.

Unless you want me to be, Lok :wub:

Nah, still kidding.

Or am I?

Ok, I'll stop now. :lol:

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Joedogg9999 wrote...

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DrTsoni wrote...

If that's the case, where does the hallucination start? When Harbinger says "Serve us" would be the most obvious, and I don't know that they'd have two fake goodbyes with the teammates. So the Mako crash?


A hallucination/dream sequence isn't neccesary anymore with EC. In fact the EC actually makes it possible to interpret the whole ending as happening in-reality yet still fit with the primary themes of Indoc Theory. The only problem being that it's more likely that the breath scene takes place on Earth rather than on the Citadel, but information regarding that isn't concrete.

what? how? how can shep still be on earth without the dream sequence?  and besides a great bulk of indoc theory evidence isbased off it being a dream. if theres no dream then you are taking the ending literal and then again nothing at all makes sense. andersons wound ending up on shepard, shepards gun changing back to what he had prebeam the close he gets to the desrroy option, anderson looking at you and saying you are indoced ecr. how do yoy explain them without a dream and what does the ec change. ec changed nothing. all it did was add more bs


He's saying there's a difference between a dream and a hallucination.

Either way, we never thought it was a dream, but we do think it was a hallucination, so the only question is whether or not you think Shepard was experiencing a coma.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

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:D

Yay Good Guy Harbinger

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HellishFiend wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...


.... that... that for me was like... wtf

first wth did the normandy came down from the space battle. Is more important to evac 2 guys that continously using thanix cannon on the reapers?

And then I look back and harbinger is like... yeah its kool take 5 i'll wait.

:huh:


Plus, if the Normandy could park it's ass right in front of the beam, what was the entire point of London?? 

Hey Joker, drop me off right there. *points at beam*

Yeah that was pretty funny. OR "Hey joker I'm going to skydive into the beam k? Maybe at the base or I'll fly through it partly up the beam?"

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 30 juin 2012 - 07:43 .


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HellishFiend wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

It's possible and you know what's funny anyone of us could be a Bioware staff member and could be bring more info on IT so who know, but they don't have to say on their profile that they are Bioware/Moderators so ya.


Someone accused me of being an undercover insider one time. <_< I took it as a compliment. :lol:


Huh.

You got that too?

I've had people accusing me of being an insider for the longest time.

Oh and I take no offense at the wall of text crack, so no worries.=]

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 30 juin 2012 - 07:43 .


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masster blaster wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Has anybody imported the Normandy not even upgraded at all and did anybody ever try not to improve the Normandys enggiens at all im ME2 and ME3. It's just that Bioware siad have you played all possibilitys of the endgame out come. So ya and what if you really don't do anything to improve the Crucible in ME3. Does the Catalyst say it look okay or does it say it does not look compatable to do anything.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           sorry thought i would bring it up again.

Yeah I always thought the "It looks mostly intact" or w/e was weird considering I have 805 assets for the crucible. Thought that was the max...

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BansheeOwnage wrote...


Yeah that was pretty funny. OR "Hey joker I'm going to skydive into the beam k? Maybe at the base or I'll fly through it partly up the beam?


had not thought of that....:D

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I guess Harby was gandolf in the end. He was a good guy for letting Shepard say goodbye and let the Normandy/ do absolutly nothing at all.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Has anybody imported the Normandy not even upgraded at all and did anybody ever try not to improve the Normandys enggiens at all im ME2 and ME3. It's just that Bioware siad have you played all possibilitys of the endgame out come. So ya and what if you really don't do anything to improve the Crucible in ME3. Does the Catalyst say it look okay or does it say it does not look compatable to do anything.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           sorry thought i would bring it up again.

Yeah I always thought the "It looks mostly intact" or w/e was weird considering I have 805 assets for the crucible. Thought that was the max...


gota admit minor colors not added doesn't bother me. Maybe they should have made the normandy a bit more golden like, given the armor. but I knew they didn't since the first mission when the normandy landed anyways. So to be honest that is an oversight, but not really important. we still see it firing the thanix cannons... I think 3 times only. But w/e minor color oversight isn't that important. Now if suddenly the normandy is shooting canons instead of thanix cannons then... yeah I would have said is more than a small oversight.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

It's possible and you know what's funny anyone of us could be a Bioware staff member and could be bring more info on IT so who know, but they don't have to say on their profile that they are Bioware/Moderators so ya.


Someone accused me of being an undercover insider one time. <_< I took it as a compliment. :lol:


Huh.

You got that too?

I've had people accusing me of being an insider for the longest time.

Oh and I take no offense at the wall of text crack, so no worries.=]


Yeah, I was on a roll one day and got the
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Also, one thing that occurred to me.

Something that debunks the "Bioware just didn't care about Mass Effect as much as it's fans did" idea.

From Bioware's own mouth, repeated through the years;

"We make the games we like to play."

That, and well, they have plenty of financial reasons to give a **** if nothing else.

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Spartas Husky wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Has anybody imported the Normandy not even upgraded at all and did anybody ever try not to improve the Normandys enggiens at all im ME2 and ME3. It's just that Bioware siad have you played all possibilitys of the endgame out come. So ya and what if you really don't do anything to improve the Crucible in ME3. Does the Catalyst say it look okay or does it say it does not look compatable to do anything.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           sorry thought i would bring it up again.

Yeah I always thought the "It looks mostly intact" or w/e was weird considering I have 805 assets for the crucible. Thought that was the max...


gota admit minor colors not added doesn't bother me. Maybe they should have made the normandy a bit more golden like, given the armor. but I knew they didn't since the first mission when the normandy landed anyways. So to be honest that is an oversight, but not really important. we still see it firing the thanix cannons... I think 3 times only. But w/e minor color oversight isn't that important. Now if suddenly the normandy is shooting canons instead of thanix cannons then... yeah I would have said is more than a small oversight.


There's a simple reason the Normandy armor doesn't have a yellowish sheen from the Silaris armor.

It's called a fresh coat of paint.

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Banshee wsat about the Normandys upgrades if you did not upgrade the Normandy in ME2 and if you did not talk to adams Donnaly Gabbe and Edi about the Normandys enggeins and FTL core?does it affect the  normandys chances of survivng the crash and the rely explosion space travle?

Modifié par masster blaster, 30 juin 2012 - 07:52 .


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Just noticed that right before you get "hit" by harbinger's beam a mako comes out of no where from the right side of the screen as if the charge was beginning there

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masster blaster wrote...

Banshee wsat about the Normandys upgrades if you did not upgrade the Normandy in ME2 and if you did not talk to adams Donnaly Gabbe and Edi about the Normandys enggeins and FTL core?does it affect the  normandys chances of survivng the crash and the rely explosion space travle?

As for the upgrades, I don't have an import that doesn't have them but I doubt it changes. And the GX12-thermal-pipe-Chekhov's-gun thing bugged me. What does everyone think of it?

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But guys and ladys all I am asking is that does the Normandys upgrades in ME2 and in ME3 affect the endgame endings or does it affect the battle of Earth combate for the Normandys priformans.

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But guys and ladys all I am asking is that does the Normandys upgrades in ME2 and in ME3 affect the endgame endings or does it affect the battle of Earth combate for the Normandys priformans.

I don't think so.

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masster blaster wrote...

But guys and ladys all I am asking is that does the Normandys upgrades in ME2 and in ME3 affect the endgame endings or does it affect the battle of Earth combate for the Normandys priformans.


Nothing affects a goddam thing yet. I made a topic about how you can promote 50 vorcha from Multiplayer and wind up with the exact same endings as someone that did a completionist playthrough of the entire trilogy. I think that stands as a big flashing neon sign that not all is said and done regarding the endings (or post-endings, in this case). 

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masster blaster wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Folks:

http://social.biowar...8885/2#12843475

The idea is still viable in the spectrum of interpretation, but temper your expectations.


Ya but that's not a Bioware Imploy just a Moderator and if it's true then why didn't they have already shut us down.


look at the size of this thread

they want people visiting their site and thinking about their game(s)

that is why they wouldnt shut this down

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Oh and guys can anyone explain why do we see Donnaly and Gabbe on Earth in all ABC endings if they lived in ME2 or reliesed for helping Shepard if you approved in the Specter terminal.

Also where was Chakkwas and Adams at the memorial thing that The Normandy crew were having. Also WHERE is the crew at the ending of the Epilogue. All I see is that your squad is present Tranynor Cortez if survived and Jokier. But there should be more crew Members then that and it's an insult that Adams and Chackkwas where not at the placing the name of Shepard on the Hall of heroes.

To me they were as important to Shepard as the squad was to Shepad. So that's Bioware being Lazy right there so that's on them.                                                                                                                                      sorry grammer but you get the point.

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HellishFiend wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

But guys and ladys all I am asking is that does the Normandys upgrades in ME2 and in ME3 affect the endgame endings or does it affect the battle of Earth combate for the Normandys priformans.


Nothing affects a goddam thing yet. I made a topic about how you can promote 50 vorcha from Multiplayer and wind up with the exact same endings as someone that did a completionist playthrough of the entire trilogy. I think that stands as a big flashing neon sign that not all is said and done regarding the endings (or post-endings, in this case). 

Another thing... That GX12 thermal pipe or whatsitsname that Engineer Adams wants Shepard to get so that everyone in engineering won't get fried if the drive core gets something techno babble something

-what was that about when there hasn't even been a situation where that could happen YET.

It's like squadmates in ME2 going on about upgrade and then there isn't even a suicide mission where Normandy's capabilities are put to the test.

Not yet at least Posted Image

EDIT: Oops that was already mentioned, my bad.

Modifié par Cecilia L, 30 juin 2012 - 08:07 .


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masster blaster wrote...

Oh and guys can anyone explain why do we see Donnaly and Gabbe on Earth in all ABC endings if they lived in ME2 or reliesed for helping Shepard if you approved in the Specter terminal.

Also where was Chakkwas and Adams at the memorial thing that The Normandy crew were having. Also WHERE is the crew at the ending of the Epilogue. All I see is that your squad is present Tranynor Cortez if survived and Jokier. But there should be more crew Members then that and it's an insult that Adams and Chackkwas where not at the placing the name of Shepard on the Hall of heroes.

To me they were as important to Shepard as the squad was to Shepad. So that's Bioware being Lazy right there so that's on them.


Well, I believe all that is hallucinated, so it's a moot point in my book. I think we'll get far better closure than that by the time BW is done.