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[BansheeOwnage]

HellishFiend wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

But guys and ladys all I am asking is that does the Normandys upgrades in ME2 and in ME3 affect the endgame endings or does it affect the battle of Earth combate for the Normandys priformans.

Nothing affects a goddam thing yet. I made a topic about how you can promote 50 vorcha from Multiplayer and wind up with the exact same endings as someone that did a completionist playthrough of the entire trilogy. I think that stands as a big flashing neon sign that not all is said and done regarding the endings (or post-endings, in this case). 

Yeah it's rather appauling actually. Which also reinforces my current theory that EC was done (most likely very near completion) at the time of release. The slide shows for sure and probably the OST.

[plfranke]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

But guys and ladys all I am asking is that does the Normandys upgrades in ME2 and in ME3 affect the endgame endings or does it affect the battle of Earth combate for the Normandys priformans.

Nothing affects a goddam thing yet. I made a topic about how you can promote 50 vorcha from Multiplayer and wind up with the exact same endings as someone that did a completionist playthrough of the entire trilogy. I think that stands as a big flashing neon sign that not all is said and done regarding the endings (or post-endings, in this case). 

Yeah it's rather appauling actually. Which also reinforces my current theory that EC was done (most likely very near completion) at the time of release. The slide shows for sure and probably the OST.

hahaha I think that's the first time I've ever seen hellish show anger through his writing

[Arian Dynas]

Perhaps more relevant than ever...

Arian Dynas wrote...

To be entirely honest with you?

I don't think the EC was planned at all.

Does that mean I doubt IT? Heck no.

I think that the EC is Bioware doing EXACTLY what they said, making things more clear so that people can comprehend the ending better. For the simple fact that I think and continue to beleive their DLC plan worked out something like this;

1). Start up the ANN twitter feed, giving "Live realtime accounts" of the war and the events leading up to it, place the timeline to start the invasion on March 6th.

2). Design Mass Effect 3, plant clues both subtle and obvious to draw the interest of the fans, the ending is designed to be strange, out of place, but ultimately fulfilling and capable of satisfying the fans for now. Multiplayer is implimented to keep fan interest up. Fans keep speculating about the strange, out of place ending, staying involved and interested where normally they would finish the game and that would be the end of their thoughts on the subject.

3). Do weekly multiplayer events to make sure that the fans keep playing, even the casual ones, also integrate a story into multiplayer, since A. That's what Bioware does, and B. It gets fans involved in the story, they get to feel like real soldiers in the war. Multiplayer events coincide with classified major operations in the war, usually announced by Admiral Hackett.

4). Release single player DLC which again raises fan involvement and interest and keeps them playing, as well as speculating as more evidence and information comes in over time, in the ANN timeline, it is announced via the Twitter feed (usually the day before) and launched on the dates the events take place on.

5). Release multiplayer packs, representing various forces that enter the war over time, such as the Quarians and more Krogan as forces swell and increase, reflecting the alliegance of various forces, as well as their maneuvers against the Reapers. Which also keeps ME3 in the front of fans minds, interested, involved. thinking about, speculating.

6). Keep updating the ANN twitter feed, which eventually reaches the date of Chronos Station and the Seige of Earth, then to great fanfare, a final ending DLC is released, in which it is revealed the ending was in fact a big mind **** and that Shepard was facing indoctrination, some fans having realized this before, they reveal the numbers from the legend saves, showing the number of people they "indoctrinated" before allowing people to download this DLC, which follows the choice from their Legendsave, forcing them to live with the choice they made, showing them a different result and mission depending on their choices.

7). Mac Walters and Casey Hudson share a bottle of bubbly with Dr. Musyka and Gamble.

Unfortunately, they flubbed the "satisifed" part of the ending, but got the "strange and out of place" part spot on, so they need to make it clearer that it was intentional, so to salvage their original plan, they have to make the EC, which they didn't expect to have to make, and thus they are forced to defend the artistic integrity of their ending, which was meant to be intentional, yet most fans refused to interpret from the get go, not having to expect interpretative value from a videogame. It explains their comments that they didn't expect to make the EC, why they seemed "hurt" that we didn't like the ending, why they defended their artistic integrity so hard, and why they refused to change the endings that are, from face value, a bunch of stinkers, but from IT perspective, are positively brilliant.

Though I don't expect them to be following their original plan now, from the fan backlash, they likely decided it was a far better idea to just make the EC and squeeze in the ending content they originally had planned, potentially sans combat to win back the fans.

And even better? The funny thing about it? They aren't losing out on this at all. The only thing on the line is their reputation, which assuming this whole thing was planned will get completely turned around.

Returned copies? They don't lose any money, the distributing franchises like Gamestop and Amazon do, (considering Origin flatly refused refunds) and the only thing they maybe lose from them is reputation, which if they turn it around by revealing this massive plot twist? They just earned back AND MORE.

Sold games? Put in the used bin? Cerberus network all over again baby, people buy those used games, they already got their money from producing them, now they get to charge an additional $15 for the actual ending. Cash money.

Well what about the people who sold their games? Wouldn't you go out to buy another copy of one of the greatest games ever that was suddenly vindicated by the most epic twist in videogame interactive storytelling history? Especially since now with an ending suited to it, it's perfect? They just sold the same game to a person TWICE. Jackpot.

Lost reputation due to the worst ending in videogame history? Not quite, it's now being actually advertised as "The Most Talked About Ending in Years!" and there's no advertisement like free advertisement, and you KNOW people will buy it out of morbid cuiriousity to see if the ending is really that bad, and plenty will remember the good parts and think "Hmm, that game was fantastic for 98%" and potentially go back to buy the other two. Ca-CHING!

And the prestige! (not the Christopher Nolan flick) Bioware suddenly will be rocketed to the top again as brilliant storytellers, completely vindicated in the eyes of even their most curmudgeonly fans after the supposed fiasco of DA2, as well as having pulled off a plot twist that would make M. Night Shamaylan cry in jealousy, something other developers will dream of copying, but being completely unable to, cementing Bioware's reputation as tops in the videogame storytelling biz. EA will have conquered their reputation as this evil monolithic company, concerned only with making money (yet ironically, will be making more bank than ever, hmm funny, seems people don't mind that when they get what they want out of it.)

And revealing something this big? After the treatment the ending got on the news, you can BET this will be plastered EVERYWHERE. Yet more free advertisement. Not to mention everyone and their literature professor will be talking about it and dissecting it ala Kubrickian methods for years to come (just like we are now) they will have cemented their place as videogame legends.

Not to mention this will be a HUGE jumping off point for an entire FRANCHISE, Mass Effect just became mainstream, nearly as much as Star Trek and Star Wars, with a feature length movie, comic books, videogames, statuettes, three award winning games, the top of their respective markets, novels, patches, tee shirts, anime, all dragged into the limelight.

Think about it greedily if you must, EA is full of smart, undeniably greedy people, do you honestly think they would possibly turn down a gold mine like this, with literally NO downside? With movies and anime and novels and every kind of merchandising swag under the sun coming out with the Mass Effect name, ME is a franchise they are pushing HARD. IT is a win-win suitation for them, if Bioware DIDN'T do it or plan it, EA would be leaning on them anyway TO do it, their artistic integrity be damned! And yet Bioware gets to pull off a first in gaming, a truly interactive, involving storytelling experience, involving REAL roleplaying (not just Paragon and Renegade choices) with actual interprative vaue just like any well written novel, and a genuine artistic value.

It is literally a win-win suitation. And If I can think of it, you can bet your bollocks that EA and Bioware would.

[Makrys]

hippojoe wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Folks:

http://social.biowar...8885/2#12843475

The idea is still viable in the spectrum of interpretation, but temper your expectations.

Ya but that's not a Bioware Imploy just a Moderator and if it's true then why didn't they have already shut us down.

look at the size of this thread

they want people visiting their site and thinking about their game(s)

that is why they wouldnt shut this down

Yeah, that means nothing. Stan does not work for Bioware, he is simply a consumer like us who was asked to moderate. He has no inside knowledge whatsoever. He knows nothing more than we do. He was just expressing his opinion. And he was wrong.

Its not a 'fan made theory'. First of all it isn't a theory at all. Its an interpretation of things we saw in game. Its logical thinking. Taking 2 and 2 and matching it up. Its sense making. That's all the IT is. Taking knowledge from the lore and applying it to many areas of Mass Effect 3 that were obviously left for speculation. All of the hints and bits of evidence we have found are just a testament to our love for the series. And they're either countless coincidences (which is just embarrasingly bad writing) or they were purposely placed there so we would uncover them and speculate.

Its not fan made. Its not a theory. Its dedicated fans applying what they know from the lore to piece together inconsistencies and circumstances that could only else be described as 'bad writing'. The IT finds rational, believable, and even likely answers to these things, which is why so many people believe it or simply like it.

Because it makes sense.

[masster blaster]

Ya Hellisfiend but if and IF IT is wrong then they have better fixed the Adams and Chakkwass at Shepards memorial includong Donnaly, Gabbe, and the rest of the Crew. Also make a big statue of Shepard on Earth and on the Citadle and well you get the point. Shepard deserves a statue to honor all that Shepard gave to give all future cycles a future withput the Reapers.   sorry bad grammer.

Modifié par masster blaster, 30 juin 2012 - 08:16 .

[plfranke]

You guys should always take into account when these mods or even bioware employees shut down threads and say stuff about the endings, they're normally doing it in questionable threads like threads asking that the ending be changed or telling casey hudson that the ending was terrible. tully could have easily come to this thread and said that no ending content will be released and locked it down but he didn't, why? because we have it right and the others didn't. on another note

[BansheeOwnage]

plfranke wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

But guys and ladys all I am asking is that does the Normandys upgrades in ME2 and in ME3 affect the endgame endings or does it affect the battle of Earth combate for the Normandys priformans.

Nothing affects a goddam thing yet. I made a topic about how you can promote 50 vorcha from Multiplayer and wind up with the exact same endings as someone that did a completionist playthrough of the entire trilogy. I think that stands as a big flashing neon sign that not all is said and done regarding the endings (or post-endings, in this case). 

Yeah it's rather appauling actually. Which also reinforces my current theory that EC was done (most likely very near completion) at the time of release. The slide shows for sure and probably the OST.

hahaha I think that's the first time I've ever seen hellish show anger through his writing

Yeah I lol'd.

[HellishFiend]

Sareth Cousland wrote...

Regarding Chekov's gun, I think how you modify EDI is also part of how the story continues to unfold. At several times during the story, she adapts her behavior to match your morality. One of these instances is "would you want your crew to disobey an order on moral grounds?" Why ask such a question if it did not have an impact later on? It would be awesome to see Indoctrinated Shepard give a bad command and EDI disobeying based on your decisions earlier in the game. Might be a nice way out for paragon players who chose control, as well.

That's actually one of the things I'm most looking forward to seeing play out. She asks some very interesting questions that could have some pretty big ramifications depending on where BW decides to go with it. 

[hippojoe]

Yeah, that means nothing. Stan does not work for Bioware, he is simply a consumer like us who was asked to moderate. He has no inside knowledge whatsoever. He knows nothing more than we do. He was just expressing his opinion. And he was wrong.

Its not a 'fan made theory'. First of all it isn't a theory at all. Its an interpretation of things we saw in game. Its logical thinking. Taking 2 and 2 and matching it up. Its sense making. That's all the IT is. Taking knowledge from the lore and applying it to many areas of Mass Effect 3 that were obviously left for speculation. All of the hints and bits of evidence we have found are just a testament to our love for the series. And they're either countless coincidences (which is just embarrasingly bad writing) or they were purposely placed there so we would uncover them and speculate.

Its not fan made. Its not a theory. Its dedicated fans applying what they know from the lore to piece together inconsistencies and circumstances that could only else be described as 'bad writing'. The IT finds rational, believable, and even likely answers to these things, which is why so many people believe it or simply like it.

Because it makes sense.

i didn't mean to imply that i am against IT

its either IT or :sick:horrible writing:sick:so i support IT

Modifié par hippojoe, 30 juin 2012 - 08:22 .

[HellishFiend]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

plfranke wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

But guys and ladys all I am asking is that does the Normandys upgrades in ME2 and in ME3 affect the endgame endings or does it affect the battle of Earth combate for the Normandys priformans.

Nothing affects a goddam thing yet. I made a topic about how you can promote 50 vorcha from Multiplayer and wind up with the exact same endings as someone that did a completionist playthrough of the entire trilogy. I think that stands as a big flashing neon sign that not all is said and done regarding the endings (or post-endings, in this case). 

Yeah it's rather appauling actually. Which also reinforces my current theory that EC was done (most likely very near completion) at the time of release. The slide shows for sure and probably the OST.

hahaha I think that's the first time I've ever seen hellish show anger through his writing

Yeah I lol'd.

lol, I was just channeling Zaeed, but anger works too, I suppose. 

[BansheeOwnage]

Sareth Cousland wrote...

Regarding Chekov's gun, I think how you modify EDI is also part of how the story continues to unfold. At several times during the story, she adapts her behavior to match your morality. One of these instances is "would you want your crew to disobey an order on moral grounds?" Why ask such a question if it did not have an impact later on? It would be awesome to see Indoctrinated Shepard give a bad command and EDI disobeying based on your decisions earlier in the game. Might be a nice way out for paragon players who chose control, as well.

This is an interesting thought. I will divert processing power to considering it.
Edit: Wow I actually didn't mean for that to sound so much like EDI

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 30 juin 2012 - 08:23 .

[masster blaster]

I am suprised that no troll has ever used the Illusive mans frase when Shepard replies to the Illusive man about his base and orginization is in ruins.

Illusive Man: Cerbures does not just represtent humanity. Cerbures is an ideal.

In which case would fit the case that IT does not represent mass effect. But IT is an ideal.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Did I miss anything in the last 20 hours?

[Makrys]

hippojoe wrote...

Yeah, that means nothing. Stan does not work for Bioware, he is simply a consumer like us who was asked to moderate. He has no inside knowledge whatsoever. He knows nothing more than we do. He was just expressing his opinion. And he was wrong.

Its not a 'fan made theory'. First of all it isn't a theory at all. Its an interpretation of things we saw in game. Its logical thinking. Taking 2 and 2 and matching it up. Its sense making. That's all the IT is. Taking knowledge from the lore and applying it to many areas of Mass Effect 3 that were obviously left for speculation. All of the hints and bits of evidence we have found are just a testament to our love for the series. And they're either countless coincidences (which is just embarrasingly bad writing) or they were purposely placed there so we would uncover them and speculate.

Its not fan made. Its not a theory. Its dedicated fans applying what they know from the lore to piece together inconsistencies and circumstances that could only else be described as 'bad writing'. The IT finds rational, believable, and even likely answers to these things, which is why so many people believe it or simply like it.

Because it makes sense.

i didn't mean to imply that i am against IT

its either IT or :sick:horrible writing:sick:so i support IT

Oh I wasn't directly speaking to you. More so emphasizing that dreamgazer's concern because of something Ninja Stan said is unnecessary. 

Modifié par Makrys, 30 juin 2012 - 08:27 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Did I miss anything in the last 20 hours?

More talk about Chekhov's-guns, this 
,
and more recently, possible ramifications for EDI changing her programming.

[HellishFiend]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Did I miss anything in the last 20 hours?

A lot of trolling, and some talk about the reality/non-reality of the run to the beam... probly a couple other things I'm forgetting too. 

[BansheeOwnage]

I should go.

[hippojoe]

i was wondering, if bioware announced a "truth" DLC that cost money, would you buy it, or youtube it beforehand to see if it was actually worth it?

pretty sure i would YT it, and if it was acceptable, buy and DLC's after that

Modifié par hippojoe, 30 juin 2012 - 08:30 .

[HellishFiend]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Did I miss anything in the last 20 hours?

More talk about Chekhov's-guns, this 
,
and more recently, possible ramifications for EDI changing her programming.

Can you link me to the page for that on quickmeme? I've got some ideas for Good Guy Harbinger. 

[HellishFiend]

hippojoe wrote...

i was wondering, if bioware announced a "truth" DLC that cost money, would you buy it, or youtube it beforehand to see if it was actually worth it?

pretty sure i would YT it, and if it was acceptable, but and DLC's after that

*insert take my money fry here*

[masster blaster]

Can"t talk about it right now Hippjoe but create a poll about it but ya I would but we need to stay a little focues right now okay.

[masster blaster]

Earhtborn aparently you are not the only girl on this tread that supports IT so ya. And we were talking aobut some intresting stuff though I recomend you read the last three pages of 1417

[HellishFiend]

masster blaster wrote...

Earhtborn aparently you are not the only girl on this tread that supports IT so ya. And we were talking aobut some intresting stuff though I recomend you read the last three pages of 1417

Not that it is a huge deal but there are actually quite a few girls here....

[Arian Dynas]

HellishFiend wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Earhtborn aparently you are not the only girl on this tread that supports IT so ya. And we were talking aobut some intresting stuff though I recomend you read the last three pages of 1417

Not that it is a huge deal but there are actually quite a few girls here....

Yeah, this surprises you? We're not all basement dwellers here.