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[Big Bad]

prettz wrote...

could not find a good high res for Shepard eyes at each ending so I did my own.
so dose that look like reaper like cables in Shepard eyes?

Wow...that juxaposition is just...wow.  If anybody has a good non-IT explanation for this, I'd sure love to hear it.

[Arian Dynas]

Uncle Jo wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

If it was "just a game" the backlash wouldn't be so bad . While yes it is a game it's also a very emotionally engaging experience, potentially a little too engaging given the anger certain fans are feeling.

I don't find anything pejorative with "It's just a game". ME3 is very, very good game, probably the best one of the last decade and one of the bests in the game history, with a revolutionary approach of the interactivity between the game and the player. The cherry on the top is still coming with the DLC EC...
But people going on rampage because of the ending or calling other names because they either believe in IT or not quite saddens me. I find it personally way too exaggerated and that's why I still say "come on people it's just a game".
Nothing could be farther than my mind to try disminish the value of Bioware's work or their artistic vision...

You both are talking about two different ends of one spectrum. Uncle Jo is arguing that "It's just a game" is basically saying "It's not a life or death suitation, it's nothing worth stressing over because its not going to kill you" while Gunslinger is apparently of the opinion that "It's just a game" trivializes the feelings about it, since it IS an emotional experience and requires emotional involvement.

Am I correct in that summation?

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

If it was "just a game" the backlash wouldn't be so bad . While yes it is a game it's also a very emotionally engaging experience, potentially a little too engaging given the anger certain fans are feeling.

I don't find anything pejorative with "It's just a game". ME3 is very, very good game, probably the best one of the last decade and one of the bests in the game history, with a revolutionary approach of the interactivity between the game and the player. The cherry on the top is still coming with the DLC EC...
But people going on rampage because of the ending or calling other names because they either believe in IT or not quite saddens me. I find it personally way too exaggerated and that's why I still say "come on people it's just a game".
Nothing could be farther than my mind to try disminish the value of Bioware's work or their artistic vision...

You both are talking about two different ends of one spectrum. Uncle Jo is arguing that "It's just a game" is basically saying "It's not a life or death suitation, it's nothing worth stressing over because its not going to kill you" while Gunslinger is apparently of the opinion that "It's just a game" trivializes the feelings about it, since it IS an emotional experience and requires emotional involvement.

Am I correct in that summation?

I'm pretty tired right now so I'm gonna go with: Yes.

[BluSoldier]

Big Bad wrote...

prettz wrote...

could not find a good high res for Shepard eyes at each ending so I did my own.
so dose that look like reaper like cables in Shepard eyes?

Wow...that juxaposition is just...wow.  If anybody has a good non-IT explanation for this, I'd sure love to hear it.

Wow.  Great find!

[JasonSic]

paxxton wrote...

What do the anti-IT people propose instead of IT? Just that BioWare failed everyone?

Yes. And if Bioware confirms IT, they think Bioware ripped off the fan's theory.

[Arian Dynas]

JasonSic wrote...

paxxton wrote...

What do the anti-IT people propose instead of IT? Just that BioWare failed everyone?

Yes. And if Bioware confirms IT, they think Bioware ripped off the fan's theory.

And there are people out there who beleive who the president is really has a genuine effect on the direction the economy takes.

Doesn't mean they're right.

[Arian Dynas]

Know what I find funny?

I started a thread about my theory on Bioware's DLC schedule, and I notice this in alot of other places too, how is it the anti IT trolls are almost always the first ones on the scene before sensible people willing to discuss things show up? I mean these guys were on the thread like vultures within the minute. It's weird.

[paxxton]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Know what I find funny?

I started a thread about my theory on Bioware's DLC schedule, and I notice this in alot of other places too, how is it the anti IT trolls are almost always the first ones on the scene before sensible people willing to discuss things show up? I mean these guys were on the thread like vultures within the minute. It's weird.

And the link to it is...?

[elegolas1]

hey guys check out my poll analysis

but lets try to avoid the inevitable flame war
it seems a lot of anti-iters are on the forums at the moment

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Know what I find funny?

I started a thread about my theory on Bioware's DLC schedule, and I notice this in alot of other places too, how is it the anti IT trolls are almost always the first ones on the scene before sensible people willing to discuss things show up? I mean these guys were on the thread like vultures within the minute. It's weird.

Maybe they're afraid to hope and want to dismantle any semblance of it? Or they're just bitter *shrug*

[paxxton]

JasonSic wrote...

paxxton wrote...

What do the anti-IT people propose instead of IT? Just that BioWare failed everyone?

Yes. And if Bioware confirms IT, they think Bioware ripped off the fan's theory.

The evidence is already in the game so it shouldn't be hard to justify that BioWare planned IT all along. At least some people will understand.

Modifié par paxxton, 21 mai 2012 - 04:57 .

[Arian Dynas]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Know what I find funny?

I started a thread about my theory on Bioware's DLC schedule, and I notice this in alot of other places too, how is it the anti IT trolls are almost always the first ones on the scene before sensible people willing to discuss things show up? I mean these guys were on the thread like vultures within the minute. It's weird.

Maybe they're afraid to hope and want to dismantle any semblance of it? Or they're just bitter *shrug*

I'm sure they're only bitter on the outside, inside is creamy nougat.

Anyway, since you asked Paxxton, here's the link, http://social.biowar...2340/1#12162514 \\
Though it's just the same thing that I've posted in here a few times already.

[paxxton]

Arian Dynas wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Know what I find funny?

I started a thread about my theory on Bioware's DLC schedule, and I notice this in alot of other places too, how is it the anti IT trolls are almost always the first ones on the scene before sensible people willing to discuss things show up? I mean these guys were on the thread like vultures within the minute. It's weird.

Maybe they're afraid to hope and want to dismantle any semblance of it? Or they're just bitter *shrug*

I'm sure they're only bitter on the outside, inside is creamy nougat.

Anyway, since you asked Paxxton, here's the link, http://social.biowar...2340/1#12162514 
Though it's just the same thing that I've posted in here a few times already.

Thanks! Strangely haven't noticed this theory yet.

[Rosewind]

JasonSic wrote...

paxxton wrote...

What do the anti-IT people propose instead of IT? Just that BioWare failed everyone?

Yes. And if Bioware confirms IT, they think Bioware ripped off the fan's theory.

Yeah kinda a lose lose situation when you think about it.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

paxxton wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Know what I find funny?

I started a thread about my theory on Bioware's DLC schedule, and I notice this in alot of other places too, how is it the anti IT trolls are almost always the first ones on the scene before sensible people willing to discuss things show up? I mean these guys were on the thread like vultures within the minute. It's weird.

Maybe they're afraid to hope and want to dismantle any semblance of it? Or they're just bitter *shrug*

I'm sure they're only bitter on the outside, inside is creamy nougat.

Anyway, since you asked Paxxton, here's the link, http://social.biowar...2340/1#12162514 
Though it's just the same thing that I've posted in here a few times already.

Thanks! Strangely haven't noticed this theory yet.

It's solid, and believable from a business standpoint. And from an "artistic vision" standpoint as well.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Rosewind wrote...

JasonSic wrote...

paxxton wrote...

What do the anti-IT people propose instead of IT? Just that BioWare failed everyone?

Yes. And if Bioware confirms IT, they think Bioware ripped off the fan's theory.

Yeah kinda a lose lose situation when you think about it.

I'm thinking anyone who pulls a "You stole that from the fans!" is probably someone who is currently Anti-IT, so they wouldn't have much business trying to defend any Theorist. Besides, if it's epic enough the "hard to please" fans might let the "theory stealing" slide.

[Rosewind]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

JasonSic wrote...

paxxton wrote...

What do the anti-IT people propose instead of IT? Just that BioWare failed everyone?

Yes. And if Bioware confirms IT, they think Bioware ripped off the fan's theory.

Yeah kinda a lose lose situation when you think about it.

I'm thinking anyone who pulls a "You stole that from the fans!" is probably someone who is currently Anti-IT, so they wouldn't have much business trying to defend any Theorist. Besides, if it's epic enough the "hard to please" fans might let the "theory stealing" slide.

I think it will be great if they "stole" it from us means they are actually listening to what we want sort of i guess.

[EpyonX3]

Big Bad wrote...

prettz wrote...

could not find a good high res for Shepard eyes at each ending so I did my own.
so dose that look like reaper like cables in Shepard eyes?

Wow...that juxaposition is just...wow.  If anybody has a good non-IT explanation for this, I'd sure love to hear it.

I've always found that curious about the ending. The Pro-IT in me says that this is evidence that Shepard has been indoctrinated and has turned into a husk.

The anti-IT in me says Shepard turning into a husk would be a possible side effect of controlling the reapers or synthesizing the galaxy.

My bigger question is why does his skin burn off and his body vanish right after? If he was turned to a husk, then his body should have remained.

Also, his eyes are the only things that are somewhat relatable to indcotrination. His skin does not appear to be the same as the standard pale skinned husk. It also looks nothing like TIM who's skin was made of circuitboard like material. 

Let's also not forget that the reaper cable pattern is not unique in the ME  universe. It's used by Geth and humans so it's not impossible that Shepard's eyes are implants of the same type that TIM uses. Yes I'm aware of the Renegade Shep eyes being a different pattern but this is a game where your gun changes in your hand in a split second.

[paxxton]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

JasonSic wrote...

paxxton wrote...

What do the anti-IT people propose instead of IT? Just that BioWare failed everyone?

Yes. And if Bioware confirms IT, they think Bioware ripped off the fan's theory.

Yeah kinda a lose lose situation when you think about it.

I'm thinking anyone who pulls a "You stole that from the fans!" is probably someone who is currently Anti-IT, so they wouldn't have much business trying to defend any Theorist. Besides, if it's epic enough the "hard to please" fans might let the "theory stealing" slide.

I don't care much whether they steal it, borrow it or planned on it from the beginning. The evidence for IT is there. It's they who ultimately create new content and I want to see new SP content. If they use IT, great.

Modifié par paxxton, 21 mai 2012 - 05:28 .

[Arian Dynas]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

prettz wrote...

could not find a good high res for Shepard eyes at each ending so I did my own.
so dose that look like reaper like cables in Shepard eyes?
*snip*

Wow...that juxaposition is just...wow.  If anybody has a good non-IT explanation for this, I'd sure love to hear it.

I've always found that curious about the ending. The Pro-IT in me says that this is evidence that Shepard has been indoctrinated and has turned into a husk.

The anti-IT in me says Shepard turning into a husk would be a possible side effect of controlling the reapers or synthesizing the galaxy.

My bigger question is why does his skin burn off and his body vanish right after? If he was turned to a husk, then his body should have remained.

Also, his eyes are the only things that are somewhat relatable to indcotrination. His skin does not appear to be the same as the standard pale skinned husk. It also looks nothing like TIM who's skin was made of circuitboard like material. 

Let's also not forget that the reaper cable pattern is not unique in the ME  universe. It's used by Geth and humans so it's not impossible that Shepard's eyes are implants of the same type that TIM uses. Yes I'm aware of the Renegade Shep eyes being a different pattern but this is a game where your gun changes in your hand in a split second.

A). Because it's metaphorical, in Control he is told he will lose his body, or more accurately, as an indoctrinated and controlled being, he will lose control of his body, 

Also, for the record, TIM's circutis resemble the inner workings of a reaper, which is also the same circuts used to cover the skin of the Synthesis hybrids

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Rosewind wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

JasonSic wrote...

paxxton wrote...

What do the anti-IT people propose instead of IT? Just that BioWare failed everyone?

Yes. And if Bioware confirms IT, they think Bioware ripped off the fan's theory.

Yeah kinda a lose lose situation when you think about it.

I'm thinking anyone who pulls a "You stole that from the fans!" is probably someone who is currently Anti-IT, so they wouldn't have much business trying to defend any Theorist. Besides, if it's epic enough the "hard to please" fans might let the "theory stealing" slide.

I think it will be great if they "stole" it from us means they are actually listening to what we want sort of i guess.

That's the exact mentality I think 99% of IT Theorists have, myself included.  I'd be happy they took our opinions and actually made it a reality in game.

[EpyonX3]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

JasonSic wrote...

paxxton wrote...

What do the anti-IT people propose instead of IT? Just that BioWare failed everyone?

Yes. And if Bioware confirms IT, they think Bioware ripped off the fan's theory.

Yeah kinda a lose lose situation when you think about it.

I'm thinking anyone who pulls a "You stole that from the fans!" is probably someone who is currently Anti-IT, so they wouldn't have much business trying to defend any Theorist. Besides, if it's epic enough the "hard to please" fans might let the "theory stealing" slide.

I don't care what they do either way. I just want it done right. if they go with IT, they better fill in the gaps that IT opens up. If they keep it the same, then close the many gaps that are open now.

Honestly though, I'm still holding on to the theory that they're merely going to add back deleted scenes and they're bringing back the VA's they didn't bother recording because the scene was cut by then.

There's one deleted scene that shows garrus and liara getting hit by harbinger. They took that out and just placed the bodies in front of you. The audio files of Shepard telling them to run, however, is still on the disk.

[EpyonX3]

Arian Dynas wrote...

A). Because it's metaphorical, in Control he is told he will lose his body, or more accurately, as an indoctrinated and controlled being, he will lose control of his body, 

Also, for the record, TIM's circutis resemble the inner workings of a reaper, which is also the same circuts used to cover the skin of the Synthesis hybrids

But again, why just the husk eyes and not the skin or anything else before he's absorbed? And what about Synthesis? Synthesis seems out of place since they both lead to the same destination of Shepard being indoctrinated. But like control, there's no husk skin, circuit boards, tubing or any other reaper feature. Just the eyes turn blue like TIM.

TIM has been in the habbit of reverse engineering reaper tech. That doesn't surprise me. It also doesn't surprise me to see them on Shepard, since TIM was responsible for his reconstruction.

[JasonSic]

paxxton wrote...

JasonSic wrote...

paxxton wrote...

What do the anti-IT people propose instead of IT? Just that BioWare failed everyone?

Yes. And if Bioware confirms IT, they think Bioware ripped off the fan's theory.

The evidence is already in the game so it shouldn't be hard to justify that BioWare planned IT all along. At least some people will understand.

Exactly my thought. Bioware put it in the game, of course they ****ing thought of it.

[Big Bad]

EpyonX3 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

JasonSic wrote...

paxxton wrote...

What do the anti-IT people propose instead of IT? Just that BioWare failed everyone?

Yes. And if Bioware confirms IT, they think Bioware ripped off the fan's theory.

Yeah kinda a lose lose situation when you think about it.

I'm thinking anyone who pulls a "You stole that from the fans!" is probably someone who is currently Anti-IT, so they wouldn't have much business trying to defend any Theorist. Besides, if it's epic enough the "hard to please" fans might let the "theory stealing" slide.

I don't care what they do either way. I just want it done right. if they go with IT, they better fill in the gaps that IT opens up. If they keep it the same, then close the many gaps that are open now.

Honestly though, I'm still holding on to the theory that they're merely going to add back deleted scenes and they're bringing back the VA's they didn't bother recording because the scene was cut by then.

There's one deleted scene that shows garrus and liara getting hit by harbinger. They took that out and just placed the bodies in front of you. The audio files of Shepard telling them to run, however, is still on the disk.

If they really go to all this time and effort just to add back in deleted scenes, I think that will just ****** people off even more than they are right now.  Like you, I don't really care if IT is true or not, as long as we get a satisfying ending.  I just don't see how a few deleted scenes could provide that.