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[Sero303]

So I watched the ending again, not sure why I keep torturing myself, but I still say the some of the best and strongest evidence is that even in the EC DLC, the control and synthesis endings STILL have Shepard with "indoctrination eyes" .

and no I do have a life, along with several sissy pets who can't handle a storm without me being in the room. So no sleep for me.

[UltimateTobi]

As I said, someone should slow it down a couple %, so maybe you can tighten the possibilities of what can be heard/what Harbinger says.

[BlazingZephyr]

Arian Dynas wrote...

But basically, what I AM saying, is that it is so distorted that we, being conditioned to hear what we expect, could pull anything out of that garbled mess.

What are you talking about? BioWare never gives the fans garbled messes to figure out for themselves....

[HellishFiend]

DJBare wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...


We're not going to get much out of listening to it over and over again, since I can hear "Save us" "Join us" "Serve us" "Cerberus" and "malybus" it's too distorted to make out.

Uh huh.

Look, most of us have been conditioned that Harbinger is the enemy, yet it's the AI that states quite clearly he controls them, they are it's solution, Harbinger is a slave just as any indoctrinated being is.

Wait... you believe the "Catalyst" now? Despite his copious self-contradictions and suspicious behavior?

[BlazingZephyr]

HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

I agree with Zephyr, there sounds like there is another syllable, I can even still hear Cerberus.

But either way, it still comes down to the other problem, this is a fad on youtube, and after listening to "What's up honeybunch?" for ten minutes someone can hear "What's a penny bench?"

We're not going to get much out of listening to it over and over again, since I can hear "Save us" "Join us" "Serve us" "Cerberus" and "malybus" it's too distorted to make out.

No, the cadence suggests two syllables. Distorted or not, that much is clear. Cant be Cerberus. 

I'm looking at the waveform and I see three peaks, but that doesnt mean three syllables. The first two peaks are part of the same syllable. 

What are you using as a reference? (file, vid, etc.)

[BlazingZephyr]

UltimateTobi wrote...

As I said, someone should slow it down a couple %, so maybe you can tighten the possibilities of what can be heard/what Harbinger says.

This, also.

[DJBare]

Arian Dynas wrote...


Which, by the way, gives us even less reason to trust the so called Catalyst. Whom I still believe is Harbinger.

If they go through with this, that's where the dilema will come in, if we are to believe the catalyst, then he enslaved the first race against their will, Harbinger is another race he did the same thing to, I mentioned this before, Reapers are constructed from the DNA of the conquered races, the very essence of those conquered races are what make up the reapers, put it this way, reapers have enslaved souls if you like, those souls can do nothing to break free they are under the control of the catalyst AI.

Maybe I'm biased, but somebody once said it, killing reapers would be a mercy killing, that may have a deeper meaning than they thought when they made the statement.

[HellishFiend]

BlazingZephyr wrote...


What are you using as a reference? (file, vid, etc.)

The file that DJBare linked on the previous page. 

[DJBare]

HellishFiend wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...


We're not going to get much out of listening to it over and over again, since I can hear "Save us" "Join us" "Serve us" "Cerberus" and "malybus" it's too distorted to make out.

Uh huh.

Look, most of us have been conditioned that Harbinger is the enemy, yet it's the AI that states quite clearly he controls them, they are it's solution, Harbinger is a slave just as any indoctrinated being is.

Wait... you believe the "Catalyst" now? Despite his copious self-contradictions and suspicious behavior?

No, I'm just putting forward thoughts, the catalyst I believe is using half truths, what we the player believe will be the dilema presented to us if Bioware continues this.

[JezuzGumball]

BlazingZephyr wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

DJBare wrote...

rapidshare.com/files/831968766/HarbyWords.rar

There you go, it's wav format 16 bit pcm, listen to it over and over, I would like to see if anyone reached the same conclusion as me, btw it's NOT "help" as I previously thought.

It really does sound like "S_ve us", and since "Serve us" would make the most sense, that's what I'm thinking it is. 

But I can clearly (but NOT clearly) hear three syllables...

"One of us"?

Mostly a guess, it SORT of sounds like "one of us".

Modifié par JezuzGumball, 30 juin 2012 - 09:48 .

[Arian Dynas]

Rifneno and I put the whole "Reapers are slaves" thing into perspective pretty well, consider it a list of reasons not to listen to the lying little ****.

Arian Dynas wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

It's quotes like these that really make me bristle at the thought that Sovereign & Co. were really looking out for our best interests all along. Regardless of what Bioware does with the remaining DLC, I don't think I'll ever be able to accept that the Reapers have noble intentions.

Because they don't! It's all bull****. With the Reapers' technology, even if they did have to wipe out advanced civilizations for some grand higher purpose, they could do it much less painfully. Everything that isn't Harbinger doing a mindscrew points to the Reapers truly hating "lesser" life.

- Saren said that while Sovereign uses them for its goals, it's "insulted" by the heretic geth's "pitiful devotions."
- Sovereign's own speech about organics on Virmire.
- Ever had Mordin chatted up to the "tracked downfall of Protheans to Collectors" chat before getting to the Collector vessel for the Prothean reveal? He says the Collectors are pretty much being abused by their master. Their weapons are designed to be unnecessarily painful for them to use and cause permanent damage to their hands from long term use. They don't even treat their wounds. If they get hurt they have to just spend the rest of their lives in agony.
- The statis probes from the seeker swarms paralyze victims but leave them fully aware, completely terrified and horrified. Why not just render them unconscious?
- Javik and Garrus' talk of the Reapers' use of psychological warfare by turning your own kin against you.
- Look at banshees. They seem to be in constant pain. Even the codex mentions this.

Make no mistake, the Reapers hate other life forms. There is no noble goal.

I don't really have anything to add to this, other than that I agree completely. 

Let's add a few more to that list shall we?

"You are bacteria." - Complete disdain for all "lesser" life

"Your worlds will become our laboratories." - EXPERIMENTING on said lesser life, in fact, live human experiments. I think there was a guy who did that, ooh what was his name, oh uh, how about freaking Mengele!?

Grafting together incompatible lifeforms to make more efficent killing machines, like Brutes, and keeping them aive only through immunosurpressing drugs.

Using bodies for building, we're nothing more than raw material to them.

Rendering down human beings while LIVING AND CONCIOUS, leaving them clearly in extreme pain and clearly in abject horror.

Abandoning indoctrinated individuals, their brains nearly completely wiped clean, clearly incapable of caring for or providing for themselves.

Wholesale slaughter of sentient beings via impersonal slaughter chambers, herding them like cattle or animals, in fact it states slaughter ships are DESIGNED to be like real world slaughterhouses, with the deaths going on unseen so the people don't panic.

Forcible invasion and permanent brain damage caused by fast indoctrination, leaving the individual a drooling vegtable

And we're supposed to TRUST these things?

[HellishFiend]

BlazingZephyr wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

As I said, someone should slow it down a couple %, so maybe you can tighten the possibilities of what can be heard/what Harbinger says.

This, also.

Slowing it down wouldnt remove the distortion, though. An audio engineer would have to try to figure out what kind of filters to apply to reverse some of the distortion. And I'm no audio engineer, so all I can really do is work with basic wave editing tools. 

[BlazingZephyr]

HellishFiend wrote...

BlazingZephyr wrote...


What are you using as a reference? (file, vid, etc.)

The file that DJBare linked on the previous page. 

I can't get that to play on my laptop. If I could hear that version, maybe I'd hear your two syllables...

[DJBare]

Okay guys, I do not for a moment believe any reaper has noble intentions, at least no intention to help us, but they "might" be wanting our help.

[HellishFiend]

DJBare wrote...

No, I'm just putting forward thoughts, the catalyst I believe is using half truths, what we the player believe will be the dilema presented to us if Bioware continues this.

Well whatever happens, I'm hoping that Sovereigns portrayal of what the Reapers are is mostly the truth. I'd hate for them to be diminished by being anything less. But if the "Player Indoc" theory is true and BW is messing with our heads directly, then I suppose anything is fair game. 

[HellishFiend]

BlazingZephyr wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

BlazingZephyr wrote...


What are you using as a reference? (file, vid, etc.)

The file that DJBare linked on the previous page. 

I can't get that to play on my laptop. If I could hear that version, maybe I'd hear your two syllables...

It's just a wave file. Maybe you dont have a rar extractor installed?

[Arian Dynas]

DJBare wrote...

Okay guys, I do not for a moment believe any reaper has noble intentions, at least no intention to help us, but they "might" be wanting our help.

If they wanted our help, there are far easier methods of tricking us into giving it to them.

[DJBare]

Arian Dynas wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Okay guys, I do not for a moment believe any reaper has noble intentions, at least no intention to help us, but they "might" be wanting our help.

If they wanted our help, there are far easier methods of tricking us into giving it to them.

Not while they are under control of the AI, and that's my point, the reapers are the weapon but the AI pulls the trigger.

[DJBare]

Think of all the husks used as weapons, these were once people.

[HellishFiend]

DJBare wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Okay guys, I do not for a moment believe any reaper has noble intentions, at least no intention to help us, but they "might" be wanting our help.

If they wanted our help, there are far easier methods of tricking us into giving it to them.

Not while they are under control of the AI, and that's my point, the reapers are the weapon but the AI pulls the trigger.

But then you suffer some of the same questions that the literalists face, such as "why didnt the Catalyst open the Citadel relay for the Reapers himself?"  I cant accept that an omniscient intelligence would be completely subverted by a few Prothean scientists. 

[Arian Dynas]

DJBare wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Okay guys, I do not for a moment believe any reaper has noble intentions, at least no intention to help us, but they "might" be wanting our help.

If they wanted our help, there are far easier methods of tricking us into giving it to them.

Not while they are under control of the AI, and that's my point, the reapers are the weapon but the AI pulls the trigger.

The problems with that are that it is literally established in the last half hour, not nearly enough time, it diminishes the character, it feels OUT of character with the rather controlling and imperious way Harbinger acts, and if nothing else, why now? Why could Harbinger break free only now? Why not earlier? Or later? If anything from his location, the Starchild's influence would likely be STRONGER than before.

[BlazingZephyr]

Arian Dynas wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Okay guys, I do not for a moment believe any reaper has noble intentions, at least no intention to help us, but they "might" be wanting our help.

If they wanted our help, there are far easier methods of tricking us into giving it to them.

Yeah... like not lasering Shepard...

[Leonia]

Maybe he's saying Nihlus

Don't count Marauder Shields out!

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Alright, so, thinking on the Buzz Stargazer and Samara Stargazer scenes and why a new one was added at all.

Why add a 2nd Stargazer scene with Samara's voice actor, and only use it in the new Refuse ending?
>Possible they received harsh feedback for Buzz Stargazer scene and wanted to change it. But they didn't replace the original scene for the original 3 choices. Possible they didn't want to hurt Buzz Aldrin's feelings but in that case why not 2 Samara Stargazer and 2 Buzz Stargazer scenes?

Why add a new Stargazer scene at all?
>Delivers, relatively speaking, the same message as the previous version. "Shepard is a legend. We have peace because of the previous cycle. One More Story." Only the narrative feels different, the Child seems more enthusiastic and less in awe.

Odd things:
>Still looks like the fanart for the Wintersun song, Starchild. The lyrics still seem to scream "Reaper History" to me.
>Samara Stargazer looks like an Asari, but the Child appears male so could not be an Asari. Speculations.
>Possibility that Samara Stargazer scene only exists because in the Refuse universe Buzz Stargazer does not exist to recount Shepard's story to the Child, although the Child still exists... Hm.
>The Child is on the opposite side, on the left, whereas in the Buzz Stargazer scene he is on the right.

Still like Hellish's interpretation of Bioware speaking to us through this scene, "We did say this was Shepard's last tale....but Okay, one more story ."

[BlazingZephyr]

Well, finally got the .rar file version to open. The middle syllable is a lot less noticeable than in the YT video I was using. But the video also seems higher quality (no offense DJ).

Hearing... "Come with us," or "comatose"

Modifié par BlazingZephyr, 30 juin 2012 - 10:02 .