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[Eryri]

ivenoidea wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

I think it's possible Harbinger is speaking the language of the Husks/Reapers that we learn about in The Illusive Man's comic---I forget the name---so it would be something we couldn't understand unless we've interfaced with a Reaper artifact..or...unless we're indoctrinated. . . . . . o_o

I've never read it, but it might be a hint.

It's still distorted though, so shepard doesn't understand all of it yet, because he's not fully indoctrinated.

That's why he can only make out a small bit of it.

Ooh, I like that notion! Bit like Harry Potter understanding the language of the snakes because of his psychic link to Voldemort.

[Leonia]

insomniak9 wrote...
It's an ironic and artistic ending, because all through the Trilogy we're told the Reapers are trying to free us through our destruction; really it's them who will be freed through their destruction. 

Whoa, that's deep man.

[Salient Archer]

 I don't know if it's been done already or not but I created a few sound files of what Harbinger might be saying:

Gradually pitch shifted up to one full octave

Gradually speed shifted up to 60%

Gradually tempo shifted amounting in increases in both speed and pitch

Modifié par Salient Archer, 30 juin 2012 - 12:19 .

[ivenoidea]

Ive been working on it for a while now, inverted it really does sound like "Shepard", the "right way" i still hear "Serve us". IMO "save us" doesnt fit, because i hear an "R" in it.

[insomniak9]

Salient Archer wrote...

 I don't know if it's been done already or not but I created a few sound files of what Harbinger might be saying:

Gradually pitch shifted up to one full octave

Gradually speed shifted up to 60%

Gradually tempo shifted amounting in increases in both speed and pitch

403. L2dropboxpublic 

[ivenoidea]

403 too here :/

[insomniak9]

I'm glad someone else hears Shepard backwards.

It's a common and slightly cliched trick, but reversing stuff in audio for hidden meanings or hallucinations is as old as time itself.

[Leonia]

insomniak9 wrote...

 Another quote just occurred to me... Garrus says he's heard of the human [Irish] saying:

"may you be in Heaven half an hour before the devil knows you're dead" 

In Shepards head, this 'half hour in heaven' could quite easily relate to all of the happy endings shown when we activate Control and Synthesis. We are not shown the terrible consequences of becoming Reaperised ("Hell"). It could even stretch to Reject and Destroy, if we accept that Shep is indoctrinated, and only High EMS allows us to survive Destroy. 

And to add to that, as has been mentioned, Shepard has the chance to say "Not necessarily our last [battle]." to Vega (who gave the aforementioned quote to Garrus). I'm pretty sure that wasn't in before the EC unless you were able to say good bye to Vega before (which I think was only possible if Garrus wasn't alive?) so it feels like it could be some sort of clue. But it could be a case of reading too much into things. Still, it kind of makes me want to go back and listen to all those goodbyes again for other hints.

[Salient Archer]

 Ok, lets try that one again shall we 

Harbinger gradually pitch shifted

Harbinger gradually speed shifted

Harbinger gradually pitch shifted and speed up

Modifié par Salient Archer, 30 juin 2012 - 12:24 .

[insomniak9]

Hang on, if it really is "Serve Us" - This plays right into the hands of the Intoxication Theory! 

Wow that speed shift one gives me a headache! O.o I'm gonna have nightmares about that now.

Modifié par insomniak9, 30 juin 2012 - 12:28 .

[ivenoidea]

I'm working on an inverted version now. Getting the "Shepard" vibe here. (i mean it sounds like the name, not reapershep). uploading as soon as im happy with it.

maybe this is like one of those images that look like one word but when you turn them 180° it looks like a totally different word.


EDIT: GUYS GUYS GUYS

My brother just randomly sid something that makes sense

It does sound quite a bit like cerberus actually. Upload in a sec.

So my brother said "what if hes not referring to the cerberus in the game but to the dog cerberus?

Cerberus was guarding the underworld. He sat in front of the GATE to it.

Could it be that harby is referring to that?

Modifié par ivenoidea, 30 juin 2012 - 12:33 .

[hippojoe]

jgibson14352 wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

I'm currently in the camp that says "Destroy is Shepard sticking to his guns and choosing to slog on with what was his original motive from the beginning, since he has the stones to keep fighting, even if he has to sacrifice some things."

Rejection, well that's Shepard trying to play Captain Kirk, choosing not to stick to what he has been going for since the beginning since something unappealing was tacked on, but not completely breaking and going over to Control and remaining canny enough not to be tricked by Synthesis, basically demanding a third option, only to discover there isn't one.

In "Reject" Shepard is canny and wise enough not to fall for indoctrination, but not determined enough to break free, and so Harbinger kills him.

Perhaps, but there is one thing that gives me hope for the Reject ending. Starbinger gets visibly upset, even if he's only offering you one choice. 

Seriously, it's possible for him to offer you only Control (which is weird in and of itself), declare that he is unhappy about being replaced, and then becomes pissed when you refuse to replace him. Really? There has to be something there. 

I'm not giving up yet, but maybe bad writing? I'm just not sure anymore. But I'm also not sure how they could possibly screw up so badly.

Arian - I'm not so sure about the Reject ending - if anything that one is probably the most open ended.  The only thing that we know for sure is that Shep's cycle fails, but is able to plant Liara's time capsules to give hope to subsequent cycles...

Hellish - Exactly.  As I keep saying, fishy.

Banshee - Don't fall into that trap...I know that the EC did not give us the answer that we wanted (is IT true, but to be faif, they said they wouldn't just come out and say it - and there is some fair evidence that gives IT strength IMHO)...but the writing that was done for the epilogue monologues were spot on.  I think that each was supposed to convey something, and this is at least what I got from each:

Control - downright sinister, as it should be, since this was the choice that most clearly showed that Shep had succumbed to Reaper influence.

Synthesis - absolute beautiful utopian society, but left that feeling (at least in me) of too good to be true - I just kept wondering what the "skeletons in the closet" would be.

Destroy - Triumph, with all of its faults and consequences...the only odd thing to me was that it felt flat...like it was missing its climax, like I don't know, the Normandy crew finding Shep (which had my spidey senses tingling more is coming).

Reject - Hope.  Hope that by giving the next cycle all of the information that they would be able to prepare better and be able to defeat the Reapers on their terms - not on the terms of the Reapers.

about the reject ending, everybody else seems to forget that the only thing Liara's capsule did was inform of the reapers, and give plans for the crucible. the reapers cannot be defeated conventionally, so that leaves the crucible. a crucible where there will be 4 options waiting for the next person to discover it. it just repeats the patern. the only difference would be that a new species would control the reapers, or benefit from synthesis, or finally triumph over the reapers, or start the cycle all over again

no, she said the crucible didn't work, which she assumed because shepard made no decision, so nothing happened

[Salient Archer]

ivenoidea wrote...

I'm working on an inverted version now. Getting the "Shepard" vibe here. (i mean it sounds like the name, not reapershep). uploading as soon as im happy with it.

maybe this is like one of those images that look like one word but when you turn them 180° it looks like a totally different word.

Race you there I'm listening to it backwards now and my wife who had no idea what I was doing said "Is that saying Shepard?" So I asked Em what she thinks it says forwards and she thinks it's "Save us" where as I think it says "Serve us"... this might end with me sleeping on the couch tonight 

[insomniak9]

ivenoidea wrote...

I'm working on an inverted version now. Getting the "Shepard" vibe here. (i mean it sounds like the name, not reapershep). uploading as soon as im happy with it.

maybe this is like one of those images that look like one word but when you turn them 180° it looks like a totally different word.


EDIT: GUYS GUYS GUYS

My brother just randomly sid something that makes sense

It does sound quite a bit like cerberus actually. Upload in a sec.

So my brother said "what if hes not referring to the cerberus in the game but to the dog cerberus?

Cerberus was guarding the underworld. He sat in front of the GATE to it.

Could it be that harby is referring to that?

I'm glad I kept writing "Cerberus" in random threads until someone else heard it now 

Reversed it is still most definitely Shepard. My file up there is a bit rubbish, but it's enough to make out the word. 

[maxloef]

i still keep hearing "Submit to us"

[ivenoidea]

It mostly sounds like "Shepard" to me.

It's because the "-us" that would make it "Cerberus" does seem to only come from the compression/effects on it, not the actual words.

Also it would be "Cerb'rus", since i don't hear a second "e".

Let's hope this link works.

docs.google.com/open

Modifié par ivenoidea, 30 juin 2012 - 12:40 .

[insomniak9]

I already did it... 

And yeah, reversed it's definitely Shepard. Forwards it still could be Cerberus, Serve Us, or Save U.

When you're making a sound that makes sense forwards and backwards, it's gonna sound weird both ways.

insomniak9 wrote...

Reversed and cleaned up a touch...

"Shepard" Reversed

Modifié par insomniak9, 30 juin 2012 - 12:43 .

[Salient Archer]

ivenoidea wrote...

It mostly sounds like "Shepard" to me.

It's because the "-us" that would make it "Cerberus" does seem to only come from the compression/effects on it, not the actual words.

Also it would be "Cerb'rus", since i don't hear a second "e".

Let's hope this link works.

docs.google.com/open

Didn't work for me, unless your link was a sales plug for Goodle Drive 

[ivenoidea]

Salient Archer wrote...

ivenoidea wrote...

It mostly sounds like "Shepard" to me.

It's because the "-us" that would make it "Cerberus" does seem to only come from the compression/effects on it, not the actual words.

Also it would be "Cerb'rus", since i don't hear a second "e".

Let's hope this link works.

docs.google.com/open

Didn't work for me, unless your link was a sales plug for Goodle Drive 

what does it say?

[insomniak9]

works for me, I get a download link

[RealStyli]

I don't know where you guys are getting the "Shepard" from in the reversed file. There's no "h" or "d" sound. If anything, it sounds like "Serve Us" both ways. Which would indicate that it's a double "woosh" type sound effect. It's more apparent on the reversed file. However, I was convinced Harbinger was saying "Serve us" when I initially heard it in game. I'm now unsure if it is actually words or wooshes.

[Salient Archer]

 Well, while we're all having a crack at it, I did the same thing as before but this time with the reversed audio.

I'm not sure if it really sounds like "Shepard" or "Suck-it" and I'm stating to wonder if that's what I'm hearing because that's what I want to hear.

Harbinger Reversed and gradually pitch shifted

Harbinger Reversed and gradually speed shifted

Harbinger Reversed and gradually pitch and speed shifted

The only issue I raise with this 'Shepard' backwards idea is why would Harbinger say his name this way? Harby's shown to be quite forward with Shep in the past so why be all elusive about it now?

[ivenoidea]

RealStyli wrote...

I don't know where you guys are getting the "Shepard" from in the reversed file. There's no "h" or "d" sound. If anything, it sounds like "Serve Us" both ways. Which would indicate that it's a double "woosh" type sound effect. It's more apparent on the reversed file. However, I was convinced Harbinger was saying "Serve us" when I initially heard it in game. I'm now unsure if it is actually words or wooshes.

The "sh" sound is right in the beginning, the "d" is kinda there but mostly lost in the effects that sound like "-us"
The "-us" really sounds like only a sideeffect of all the effects on the voice though.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Hello everyone, just got home from work. Slightly tired and ready to relax.

Now this has probably been brought up before but can anyone here give me a good reason EDI should retreat if you had her with you in the beam run (or for that matter not jump out of the Normandy) Because unless i missed some critical info on her link with EVA´s body she would never even be in direct danger during the beam run. What she is is on the Normandy, she would not die if EVA´s body was destroyed, there is no reason for her to retreat...

But I guess that is just another point of stupidity in that scene...I mean you are not going to tell me Javik or the people you had with you on a suicide mission are gonna retreat like that at the critical moment. A more logical scenario would be everyone leaping out of the Normandy to help Shepard while Joker turns the ship around to fire upon Harbinger...

But has probably been brought up before.

Anyway if you ask me we should simply have given the Reapers some of the dessert i am having today. Strawberry in strawberry with heavy soft vannila cream.

If the Reapers have anything ressembling tastebuds left they would immediately have turned their attention to Reaping Strawberries  instead of human. I could so see it:

Sovereign takes care of the crops with unmatched dedication, eradicating the insects which might eat at it with his trademark: "I am the vanguard of your destruction!" and "I am Sovereign and this plantation is mine!"

Harbinger would be in charge of quality control and harvesting: "We are the Harbingers of their perfection" and "Assuming direct control (of this piece of harvesting equibment)"

Finally the catalyst woudl combine the strawberries and vannila under the guidance of Cakemaster Shepard in his attempts to create the perfect synthesis of Vanilla and Strawberries

...

I need a few hours of sleep...

[TSA_383]

ivenoidea wrote...

I'm working on an inverted version now. Getting the "Shepard" vibe here. (i mean it sounds like the name, not reapershep). uploading as soon as im happy with it.

maybe this is like one of those images that look like one word but when you turn them 180° it looks like a totally different word.


EDIT: GUYS GUYS GUYS

My brother just randomly sid something that makes sense

It does sound quite a bit like cerberus actually. Upload in a sec.

So my brother said "what if hes not referring to the cerberus in the game but to the dog cerberus?

Cerberus was guarding the underworld. He sat in front of the GATE to it.

Could it be that harby is referring to that?

insomniak9 wrote...

Reversed and cleaned up a touch...

"Shepard" Reversed

I honestly think you're hearing what you want to hear, but then again, have a go at pitch shifting, I wasn't sure on what it said the right way around but it now sounds like "save us" to me, which is bizarre...