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[XanderLav]

I'm very happy to see that IT is not only alive but is strong as ever with new hints from EC. The only thing I can say at this point is:
Before there was EC we held the line
And we shall HOLD THE LINE!!!

[BansheeOwnage]

insomniak9 wrote...

insomniak9 wrote...

I posted about this earlier, if Harby shouts "Save Us", then it's really a double play. 

The Catalyst is their collective consciousness (apparently).Harby is torn; his duty is to indoctrinate you, but he wants to be free of this nonsense. I think in Leviathan we learn more about this from the rogue Reaper, who maybe reveals that Harby wants the same thing, to be free.

Shepard hears this, and knows that the only option in Starscene (Harbingers Indoctrination Construct) is to choose Destroy. 

The collective consciousness (aka the Catalyst) has to provide you with option to continue the cycle, as that's His solution (jump into his shiny beam and become Reapered); he is unaware (or only slightly aware) of Harbingers defection.

If you choose to fight the indoctrination, Harby offers you a way out; Shoot at the Red thing that looks mysteriously like me, and it'll symbolise your greater will, and the indoctrination will break. 
Go on to defeat (aka free) the Reapers from their hell. 

Javik in Leviathan: (paraphrased): "their greatest hell is sending them back to the abyss they came from..."

It's an ironic and artistic ending, because all through the Trilogy we're told the Reapers are trying to free us through our destruction; really it's them who will be freed through their destruction. 
O.o

Cool.

[MaximizedAction]

FellishBeast wrote...

I'm not sure if this is significant, but I remember reading in the Leviathan DLC text something about the Leviathan deserving the same punishment as the devil, or something along those lines. It seems that hell is somewhat of a theme here, as we are assuming the Leviathan referred to in this DLC is also the Leviathan of Dis, which basically means the beast from hell.

Edit: It sounds like something along the lines of a "fallen" Reaper. I guess Reapers are angels. 

...doing the Catalyst's work...oh, please no...

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 30 juin 2012 - 07:29 .

[BansheeOwnage]

comrade gando wrote...

plfranke wrote...

I think I even saw a dialogue with something like "with leviathan we might pull this off after all" that has to add something to the ending

just to add to that, I recall seeing dialogue involving starbinger, being able to ask him even more questions. not like he's gonna give shep a straight answer without heavy SPACE MAGIC. : /

where the frick is harbinger anyway? he just says maybe SERVE US it sounds like, zaps shep, and flies away and he's never ever seen again, not even in the cutscenes.

they have keith szarabajka doing voice over for "additional voices".. why didn't harbinger say anythign??

I know right. It pisses me off. A lot. Anyway what is it with "Keiths" having awesome voices?

[FellishBeast]

MaximizedAction wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

I'm not sure if this is significant, but I remember reading in the Leviathan DLC text something about the Leviathan deserving the same punishment as the devil, or something along those lines. It seems that hell is somewhat of a theme here, as we are assuming the Leviathan referred to in this DLC is also the Leviathan of Dis, which basically means the beast from hell.

Edit: It sounds like something along the lines of a "fallen" Reaper. I guess Reapers are angels. 

...doing the Catalyst's work...oh, please no...

The edit line was not entirely serious, but I was just pointing out the symbolism. I'm wondering who gave the LoD its name.

[BansheeOwnage]

MaximizedAction wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

I'm not sure if this is significant, but I remember reading in the Leviathan DLC text something about the Leviathan deserving the same punishment as the devil, or something along those lines. It seems that hell is somewhat of a theme here, as we are assuming the Leviathan referred to in this DLC is also the Leviathan of Dis, which basically means the beast from hell.

Edit: It sounds like something along the lines of a "fallen" Reaper. I guess Reapers are angels. 

...doing the Catalyst's work...oh, please no...

Wha ee said.

[byne]

FellishBeast wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

I'm not sure if this is significant, but I remember reading in the Leviathan DLC text something about the Leviathan deserving the same punishment as the devil, or something along those lines. It seems that hell is somewhat of a theme here, as we are assuming the Leviathan referred to in this DLC is also the Leviathan of Dis, which basically means the beast from hell.

Edit: It sounds like something along the lines of a "fallen" Reaper. I guess Reapers are angels. 

...doing the Catalyst's work...oh, please no...

The edit line was not entirely serious, but I was just pointing out the symbolism. I'm wondering who gave the LoD its name.

I'm now imagining a DLC where we recruit an angel-killer as a squadmate.

I nominate Bayonetta, for obvious reasons.

[Andromidius]

comrade gando wrote...

they have keith szarabajka doing voice over for "additional voices".. why didn't harbinger say anythign??

Hmm.  Has anyone tried pitch-shifting Starbinger's dialogue?  Because honestly I can't imagine a child recording those lines, and it doesn't sound quite right (even ignoring the two Shepard echos).

It would be a massive twist if he recorded the lines, and then had them altered into a boy's voice

[BansheeOwnage]

Andromidius wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

they have keith szarabajka doing voice over for "additional voices".. why didn't harbinger say anythign??

Hmm.  Has anyone tried pitch-shifting Starbinger's dialogue?  Because honestly I can't imagine a child recording those lines, and it doesn't sound quite right (even ignoring the two Shepard echos).

It would be a massive twist if he recorded the lines, and then had them altered into a boy's voice

I'll look into it.

[paxxton]

Andromidius wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

they have keith szarabajka doing voice over for "additional voices".. why didn't harbinger say anythign??

Hmm.  Has anyone tried pitch-shifting Starbinger's dialogue?  Because honestly I can't imagine a child recording those lines, and it doesn't sound quite right (even ignoring the two Shepard echos).

It would be a massive twist if he recorded the lines, and then had them altered into a boy's voice

"So be it" is said by Mark Meer with vorcha voice style.

Modifié par paxxton, 30 juin 2012 - 07:44 .

[Nightingale]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

they have keith szarabajka doing voice over for "additional voices".. why didn't harbinger say anythign??

Hmm.  Has anyone tried pitch-shifting Starbinger's dialogue?  Because honestly I can't imagine a child recording those lines, and it doesn't sound quite right (even ignoring the two Shepard echos).

It would be a massive twist if he recorded the lines, and then had them altered into a boy's voice

I'll look into it.

It's an interesting idea. I kind of doubt it, but if you want to check, I'd suggest starting with the conversation with him in the vent at the beginning of the game. It's the same boy's voice, but then you won't have to sort it out with Hale and Meer's voices in the back.
Or do you just mean for "SO BE IT" not the rest of it? In which case, ignore this.

[MaximizedAction]

Andromidius wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

they have keith szarabajka doing voice over for "additional voices".. why didn't harbinger say anythign??

Hmm.  Has anyone tried pitch-shifting Starbinger's dialogue?  Because honestly I can't imagine a child recording those lines, and it doesn't sound quite right (even ignoring the two Shepard echos).

It would be a massive twist if he recorded the lines, and then had them altered into a boy's voice

While I find that that was clearly a child (there are good child voice actors out there) and don't know if it's technically even possible to simulate a child's voice by pitch shifting, I find your idea intriguing.
Would be quite the twist.

[paxxton]

If Mark Meer could have said "So be it", could he also have done VO for the Rannoch Reaper?

Modifié par paxxton, 30 juin 2012 - 07:39 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

MaximizedAction wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

I'm not sure if this is significant, but I remember reading in the Leviathan DLC text something about the Leviathan deserving the same punishment as the devil, or something along those lines. It seems that hell is somewhat of a theme here, as we are assuming the Leviathan referred to in this DLC is also the Leviathan of Dis, which basically means the beast from hell.

Edit: It sounds like something along the lines of a "fallen" Reaper. I guess Reapers are angels. 

...doing the Catalyst's work...oh, please no...

Yeah really. One of my biggest problems (as go for many I would guess) with the ending is the Catalyst. The way he is explained we might as well remove any blame from the Reapers...you know who we have fought for 2 and 0.99/1 games...and placing it all on him since he is in control.

Sovereign and Harbinger never made any hints towards this, they seemed perfectly in control of thier actions. And frankly that is how I want to face the Reapers. let me blow a bullet (from a very big gun) down Reapers spine one by one and know that ever time I pull the trigger I am avenging countless and countless deaths caused by their twisted minds as well as preventing countless more from happening.

Dont heap it all on a last second "main villian" with little to know build up and remove the demonity from the Reapers, just dont.

[RealStyli]

This was the bit from The Final Hours app that I was referring to:

 

(Edit: Sorry, this makes no sense out of context really - this was referring to the start of ME2, they changed their minds and brought back the Normandy as the SR2 instead)

It could be nothing or it could be something. I don't know.

Modifié par RealStyli, 30 juin 2012 - 07:42 .

[ThisOneIsPunny]

byne wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

I'm not sure if this is significant, but I remember reading in the Leviathan DLC text something about the Leviathan deserving the same punishment as the devil, or something along those lines. It seems that hell is somewhat of a theme here, as we are assuming the Leviathan referred to in this DLC is also the Leviathan of Dis, which basically means the beast from hell.

Edit: It sounds like something along the lines of a "fallen" Reaper. I guess Reapers are angels. 

...doing the Catalyst's work...oh, please no...

The edit line was not entirely serious, but I was just pointing out the symbolism. I'm wondering who gave the LoD its name.

I'm now imagining a DLC where we recruit an angel-killer as a squadmate.

I nominate Bayonetta, for obvious reasons.

I second this and demand everyone bake byne a cake right now
We're going to be in trouble when she sees a harvester though.

[Andromidius]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

they have keith szarabajka doing voice over for "additional voices".. why didn't harbinger say anythign??

Hmm.  Has anyone tried pitch-shifting Starbinger's dialogue?  Because honestly I can't imagine a child recording those lines, and it doesn't sound quite right (even ignoring the two Shepard echos).

It would be a massive twist if he recorded the lines, and then had them altered into a boy's voice

While I find that that was clearly a child (there are good child voice actors out there) and don't know if it's technically even possible to simulate a child's voice by pitch shifting, I find your idea intriguing.
Would be quite the twist.

Well its a stretch, but it would answer two questions - who did the voice and what additional voices did Keith do?

[Vaya]

FellishBeast wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

I'm not sure if this is significant, but I remember reading in the Leviathan DLC text something about the Leviathan deserving the same punishment as the devil, or something along those lines. It seems that hell is somewhat of a theme here, as we are assuming the Leviathan referred to in this DLC is also the Leviathan of Dis, which basically means the beast from hell.

Edit: It sounds like something along the lines of a "fallen" Reaper. I guess Reapers are angels. 

...doing the Catalyst's work...oh, please no...

The edit line was not entirely serious, but I was just pointing out the symbolism. I'm wondering who gave the LoD its name.

Because it was found on Jartar in the Dis system. Leviathan, biblical origins aside, is generally used for something of extrordinary size.

[BansheeOwnage]

DrTsoni wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

they have keith szarabajka doing voice over for "additional voices".. why didn't harbinger say anythign??

Hmm.  Has anyone tried pitch-shifting Starbinger's dialogue?  Because honestly I can't imagine a child recording those lines, and it doesn't sound quite right (even ignoring the two Shepard echos).

It would be a massive twist if he recorded the lines, and then had them altered into a boy's voice

I'll look into it.

It's an interesting idea. I kind of doubt it, but if you want to check, I'd suggest starting with the conversation with him in the vent at the beginning of the game. It's the same boy's voice, but then you won't have to sort it out with Hale and Meer's voices in the back.
Or do you just mean for "SO BE IT" not the rest of it? In which case, ignore this.

I already pitch-changed SO BE IT and we concluded is was Mark Meer.

[HellishFiend]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

they have keith szarabajka doing voice over for "additional voices".. why didn't harbinger say anythign??

Hmm.  Has anyone tried pitch-shifting Starbinger's dialogue?  Because honestly I can't imagine a child recording those lines, and it doesn't sound quite right (even ignoring the two Shepard echos).

It would be a massive twist if he recorded the lines, and then had them altered into a boy's voice

While I find that that was clearly a child (there are good child voice actors out there) and don't know if it's technically even possible to simulate a child's voice by pitch shifting, I find your idea intriguing.
Would be quite the twist.

Wouldnt ordinary pitch shifting just make them sound like they've been huffing helium? 

[BansheeOwnage]

Andromidius wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

they have keith szarabajka doing voice over for "additional voices".. why didn't harbinger say anythign??

Hmm.  Has anyone tried pitch-shifting Starbinger's dialogue?  Because honestly I can't imagine a child recording those lines, and it doesn't sound quite right (even ignoring the two Shepard echos).

It would be a massive twist if he recorded the lines, and then had them altered into a boy's voice

While I find that that was clearly a child (there are good child voice actors out there) and don't know if it's technically even possible to simulate a child's voice by pitch shifting, I find your idea intriguing.
Would be quite the twist.

Well its a stretch, but it would answer two questions - who did the voice and what additional voices did Keith do?

He voiced a random Batarian in the refugee camp. For about 5 lines. WTF????????????????????????????

[BansheeOwnage]

HellishFiend wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

they have keith szarabajka doing voice over for "additional voices".. why didn't harbinger say anythign??

Hmm.  Has anyone tried pitch-shifting Starbinger's dialogue?  Because honestly I can't imagine a child recording those lines, and it doesn't sound quite right (even ignoring the two Shepard echos).

It would be a massive twist if he recorded the lines, and then had them altered into a boy's voice

While I find that that was clearly a child (there are good child voice actors out there) and don't know if it's technically even possible to simulate a child's voice by pitch shifting, I find your idea intriguing.
Would be quite the twist.

Wouldnt ordinary pitch shifting just make them sound like they've been huffing helium? 

Yeah lol.

[Galbrant]

I've gotten to thinking.... If the catalyst controls the reapers, what would happen if the Citadel is destroyed? I've gotten to think that if Shepard chooses Destroyed ending. He's not causing some giant EMP Wave.. but sabotaging, the citadel killing the catalyst, the brain I mean why else would you shoot a pipe? Bah maybe I am over thinking it.

[Xavendithas]

I'm about 40 pages behind atm, anything big being discussed?

[FellishBeast]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

I'm not sure if this is significant, but I remember reading in the Leviathan DLC text something about the Leviathan deserving the same punishment as the devil, or something along those lines. It seems that hell is somewhat of a theme here, as we are assuming the Leviathan referred to in this DLC is also the Leviathan of Dis, which basically means the beast from hell.

Edit: It sounds like something along the lines of a "fallen" Reaper. I guess Reapers are angels. 

...doing the Catalyst's work...oh, please no...

Yeah really. One of my biggest problems (as go for many I would guess) with the ending is the Catalyst. The way he is explained we might as well remove any blame from the Reapers...you know who we have fought for 2 and 0.99/1 games...and placing it all on him since he is in control.

Sovereign and Harbinger never made any hints towards this, they seemed perfectly in control of thier actions. And frankly that is how I want to face the Reapers. let me blow a bullet (from a very big gun) down Reapers spine one by one and know that ever time I pull the trigger I am avenging countless and countless deaths caused by their twisted minds as well as preventing countless more from happening.

Dont heap it all on a last second "main villian" with little to know build up and remove the demonity from the Reapers, just dont.

I don't know where you got that from anything I said...but okay. I'm just saying that based on the name and dialogue, this "Leviathan" sounds like a pretty bad dude.

If this is some sort of "fallen" Reaper, it would be so from the Reapers' perspective, as they seem to feel their conquest is righteous. I've seen a few stories that portray "heavenly" forces as being evil in a way by doing anything for the sake of order.