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FellishBeast wrote...

It is interesting that he is "illusive" rather than "elusive."

ill + elusive

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insomniak9 wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...
That's what I first thought, though after someone pointed it out several days ago all I hear now is "Serve Us." Anybody know how to clean this up or something so we can get some sort of confirmation?


We cleaned it up a few pages back. 

The most interesting thing is that played backwards, he says Shepard.


...really?

Honestly, I could 'almost' hear him say Shepard before he says Serve Us

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MaximizedAction wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

insomniak9 wrote...

So with the controversy regarding Harby not reacting to the Normandy...  Umm... watch this

There are 3 Reaper laser noises, the third one flips the Mako, but no beam for any of them :crying:


:blink:

Well that's quite the oversight.  Or another hint that its not real.

Off-discussion, I'm quite sure Harby says "Save Us."

That's what I first thought, though after someone pointed it out several days ago all I hear now is "Serve Us." Anybody know how to clean this up or something so we can get some sort of confirmation?


I don't want to hear "save us," but that is what I hear. :mellow:


Of course you are...because you read it first here. What everyone should've done for a proper analysis, is let everyone come up with their own interpretation and then see if the opinions converge to a single result, like 'serve us'.


Excuse me? If you go back, I'm fairly certain I was actually the first or one of the first people to mention hearing "save us." Even if that isn't so, I assure you that I arrived at that conclusion before reading anyone's opinions on it.

Don't assume, you look like an you-know-what. :whistle:

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FellishBeast wrote...

It is interesting that he is "illusive" rather than "elusive."


He took that name because when he anonymously published his Cerberus manifesto, it was derided as 'survivalist rhetoric written by an illusive man,' so he took the idea and ran with it.

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Lokanaiya wrote...

Didn't someone say that the Catalyst had a total of four voices? The kid's, both Male an Fem Shep, and another, deeper, and more sinister voice. This was before EC, but I don't think they would have change that. Also, listening through some of Starbrat's lines, there's *definitely* a male voice hidden in there that isn't Meer's.

I don't think there's a 4th voice. The EC just made Meer's way louder.

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FellishBeast wrote...

It is interesting that he is "illusive" rather than "elusive."


I think this related to the fact that people only "saw" him as an quantumly entangled pair (space hologram).

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Lokanaiya wrote...

Didn't someone say that the Catalyst had a total of four voices? The kid's, both Male an Fem Shep, and another, deeper, and more sinister voice. This was before EC, but I don't think they would have change that. Also, listening through some of Starbrat's lines, there's *definitely* a male voice hidden in there that isn't Meer's.


You can an odd extra voice when he says "But you have to choose".

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FellishBeast wrote...

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I'm not sure if this is significant, but I remember reading in the Leviathan DLC text something about the Leviathan deserving the same punishment as the devil, or something along those lines. It seems that hell is somewhat of a theme here, as we are assuming the Leviathan referred to in this DLC is also the Leviathan of Dis, which basically means the beast from hell.

Edit: It sounds like something along the lines of a "fallen" Reaper. I guess Reapers are angels. :huh:


...doing the Catalyst's work...oh, please no... :sick:


Yeah really. One of my biggest problems (as go for many I would guess) with the ending is the Catalyst. The way he is explained we might as well remove any blame from the Reapers...you know who we have fought for 2 and 0.99/1 games...and placing it all on him since he is in control.

Sovereign and Harbinger never made any hints towards this, they seemed perfectly in control of thier actions. And frankly that is how I want to face the Reapers. let me blow a bullet (from a very big gun) down Reapers spine one by one and know that ever time I pull the trigger I am avenging countless and countless deaths caused by their twisted minds as well as preventing countless more from happening.

Dont heap it all on a last second "main villian" with little to know build up and remove the demonity from the Reapers, just dont.


I don't know where you got that from anything I said...but okay. I'm just saying that based on the name and dialogue, this "Leviathan" sounds like a pretty bad dude.

If this is some sort of "fallen" Reaper, it would be so from the Reapers' perspective, as they seem to feel their conquest is righteous. I've seen a few stories that portray "heavenly" forces as being evil in a way by doing anything for the sake of order.


Deep, actually, the idea being that The Harbinger and The Vanguard are still fuilfilling their righteous duty of slaughtering the lesser beings, whereas the Leviathan chose instead to defect, becoming a traitor to their ways... interesting.

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paxxton wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

It is interesting that he is "illusive" rather than "elusive."

ill + elusive


paxxton, you're losing credibility.

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insomniak9 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

It is interesting that he is "illusive" rather than "elusive."


I think this related to the fact that people only "saw" him as an quantumly entangled pair (space hologram).

At the start of ME2 we see him in person talking to Miranda.

Modifié par paxxton, 30 juin 2012 - 08:10 .


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FellishBeast wrote...

paxxton wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

It is interesting that he is "illusive" rather than "elusive."

ill + elusive


paxxton, you're losing credibility.

"Ill" can mean sick but also bad.

Modifié par paxxton, 30 juin 2012 - 08:12 .


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FellishBeast wrote...

paxxton wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

It is interesting that he is "illusive" rather than "elusive."

ill + elusive


paxxton, you're losing credibility.


He cant afford to lose anymore! He lost a lot when he insisted that the godchild saying 'So be it!' was clearly referring to IT, since he used the word 'it'.

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paxxton wrote...

insomniak9 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

It is interesting that he is "illusive" rather than "elusive."


I think this related to the fact that people only "saw" him as an quantumly entangled pair (space hologram).

At the start of ME2 we see him in person talking to Miranda.


That's great, thanks. Even in the Cerberus logs on Cronos, most of the time he's appearing as a hologram to the scientists working on Lazarus, EDI, and EVA. 

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paxxton wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

paxxton wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

It is interesting that he is "illusive" rather than "elusive."

ill + elusive


paxxton, you're losing credibility.

"ill" can mean sick but also bad.


Illusive is a word, though. It's not a combination of elusive and something else.

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insomniak9 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

insomniak9 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

It is interesting that he is "illusive" rather than "elusive."


I think this related to the fact that people only "saw" him as an quantumly entangled pair (space hologram).

At the start of ME2 we see him in person talking to Miranda.


That's great, thanks. Even in the Cerberus logs on Cronos, most of the time he's appearing as a hologram to the scientists working on Lazarus, EDI, and EVA. 


byne explained the actual canon reason above, if you care to look.

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FellishBeast wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

insomniak9 wrote...

So with the controversy regarding Harby not reacting to the Normandy...  Umm... watch this

There are 3 Reaper laser noises, the third one flips the Mako, but no beam for any of them :crying:


:blink:

Well that's quite the oversight.  Or another hint that its not real.

Off-discussion, I'm quite sure Harby says "Save Us."

That's what I first thought, though after someone pointed it out several days ago all I hear now is "Serve Us." Anybody know how to clean this up or something so we can get some sort of confirmation?


I don't want to hear "save us," but that is what I hear. :mellow:


Of course you are...because you read it first here. What everyone should've done for a proper analysis, is let everyone come up with their own interpretation and then see if the opinions converge to a single result, like 'serve us'.


Excuse me? If you go back, I'm fairly certain I was actually the first or one of the first people to mention hearing "save us." Even if that isn't so, I assure you that I arrived at that conclusion before reading anyone's opinions on it.

Don't assume, you look like an you-know-what. :whistle:


Sorry, wasn't meant that way. :(

If you were the first one, then that's fine, but for me, who didn't start interpretating it on my own, it's very suggestive when first read, then heard again.

It's like it's suggested in those conspiracy videos that claim that when Britney's singles are played backwards, you can hear satanic messages. But the viewer is first told what it's assumed to mean, and then it's played to them, so that they will very likely come to the same conclusion.

That was my point, not hostile at all. Sorry again.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 30 juin 2012 - 08:14 .


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Guys! I altered the pitch on the Rannoch destroyer. I can't make much out, there is too much reaper effect, It kind of made me think it sounded like a woman. I kept listening to it and the way it says Shepard at the beginning sounds like...


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MaximizedAction wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

insomniak9 wrote...

So with the controversy regarding Harby not reacting to the Normandy...  Umm... watch this

There are 3 Reaper laser noises, the third one flips the Mako, but no beam for any of them :crying:


:blink:

Well that's quite the oversight.  Or another hint that its not real.

Off-discussion, I'm quite sure Harby says "Save Us."

That's what I first thought, though after someone pointed it out several days ago all I hear now is "Serve Us." Anybody know how to clean this up or something so we can get some sort of confirmation?


I don't want to hear "save us," but that is what I hear. :mellow:


Of course you are...because you read it first here. What everyone should've done for a proper analysis, is let everyone come up with their own interpretation and then see if the opinions converge to a single result, like 'serve us'.


Excuse me? If you go back, I'm fairly certain I was actually the first or one of the first people to mention hearing "save us." Even if that isn't so, I assure you that I arrived at that conclusion before reading anyone's opinions on it.

Don't assume, you look like an you-know-what. :whistle:


Sorry, wasn't meant that way. :(

If you were the first one, then that's fine, but for me, who didn't start interpretating it on my own, it's very suggestive when first read, then heard again.

It's like it's suggested in those conspiracy videos that claim that when Britney's singles are played backwards, you can hear satanic messages. But the viewer is first told what it's assumed to mean, and then it's played to them, so that they will very likely come to the same conclusion.

That was my point, not hostile at all. Sorry again.


No worries. ^_^

I get what you're saying. It happens all the time. I just know for a fact that this time it ain't happening to me is all. :P

Edit: I secretly think he is saying something else that we just haven't thought of. Is there like a program that can bring up words that sound similar to "service," "serve us," or "save us?" lol

Modifié par FellishBeast, 30 juin 2012 - 08:17 .


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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Guys! I altered the pitch on the Rannoch destroyer. I can't make much out, there is too much reaper effect, It kind of made me think it sounded like a woman. I kept listening to it and the way it says Shepard at the beginning sounds like...


LiaraPosted ImagePosted Image


So... she really IS a REAPER DOOMSDAY DEVICE?

#35845
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byne wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

paxxton wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

It is interesting that he is "illusive" rather than "elusive."

ill + elusive


paxxton, you're losing credibility.


He cant afford to lose anymore! He lost a lot when he insisted that the godchild saying 'So be it!' was clearly referring to IT, since he used the word 'it'.

I didn't mean that the Catalyst is refering to IT. LOL. I consider that phrase as a kind of Easter Egg, BioWare winking to the IT community. They want to hint us that they are considering implementing our joint work.

Modifié par paxxton, 30 juin 2012 - 08:28 .


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byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Guys! I altered the pitch on the Rannoch destroyer. I can't make much out, there is too much reaper effect, It kind of made me think it sounded like a woman. I kept listening to it and the way it says Shepard at the beginning sounds like...


LiaraPosted ImagePosted Image


So... she really IS a [color=rgb(255,0,0)">REAPER ]DOOMSDAY[/color] DEVICE?

"Oh Sh**!"

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Arian Dynas wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

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FellishBeast wrote...

snip...punishment as the devil...snip


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The bolded section = Javik's comments about Leviathan if you ask me...you know how deep his prejudice against synthetics go (didn't like he so much after he suggested that I throw Legion out of the air lock)...

Edit:  Actually, that's one of the interesting things about the DLC "leak" it only seems to be the crew's reactionary dialogue to the mission/aftermath of...

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byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Guys! I altered the pitch on the Rannoch destroyer. I can't make much out, there is too much reaper effect, It kind of made me think it sounded like a woman. I kept listening to it and the way it says Shepard at the beginning sounds like...


LiaraPosted ImagePosted Image


So... she really IS a [color=rgb(255, 0, 0)">REAPER ]DOOMSDAY[/color] DEVICE?


We better hope Makrys doesnt come around during this conversation. 

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byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Guys! I altered the pitch on the Rannoch destroyer. I can't make much out, there is too much reaper effect, It kind of made me think it sounded like a woman. I kept listening to it and the way it says Shepard at the beginning sounds like...


LiaraPosted ImagePosted Image


So... she really IS a [color=rgb(255, 0, 0)">REAPER ]DOOMSDAY[/color] DEVICE?


lmfao. that was the best part of the poop.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Guys! I altered the pitch on the Rannoch destroyer. I can't make much out, there is too much reaper effect, It kind of made me think it sounded like a woman. I kept listening to it and the way it says Shepard at the beginning sounds like...


LiaraPosted ImagePosted Image

LOL. I want to hear that!