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#35851
byne

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Seems like colors confuse the forums when quoting.

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Eryri

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I just polled a family member re Harbinger's line. He couldn't really make it out on his own, but when I gave him the two options he went for "serve us" over "save us".

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FellishBeast

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D.Sharrah wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

snip...punishment as the devil...snip


snip...


snip..


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snip...


The bolded section = Javik's comments about Leviathan if you ask me...you know how deep his prejudice against synthetics go (didn't like he so much after he suggested that I throw Legion out of the air lock)...


That is very likely. Javik was always a biggot.. xp

Though I can't see him being that spiteful towards a potential ally against the Reapers...who knows. This DLC is leak is just BW screwing with us so we don't eat them alive for the EC :lol:

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Maybe too many people were unhappy about colors, in particular the red, green and blue ones ;)

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Hey guys. Did I miss anything?

Any cool IT stuff that was found in the EC perhaps? xD

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12777408/42#12888284

Arian Dynas wrote...

Deep, actually, the idea being that
The Harbinger and The Vanguard are still fuilfilling their righteous
duty of slaughtering the lesser beings, whereas the Leviathan chose
instead to defect, becoming a traitor to their ways... interesting.


This is where I think this might go from here, based on what we've seen:

-Mission on Aequitas/Other mining colony, reapers retreat when "artifact" is destroyed.
-A reaper (probably Leviathan) goes rogue, was able to break its AI shackles when said "artifact" was destroyed and rebels against the catalyst/harbinger/whatever AI controls the reapers and the remaining reaper forces.
-??????
-New possibilities presented by ending, due to the possibility of breaking the reaper consensus and allowing the collective consciousness of the species entombed within each reaper sarcophagus to regain control. Not sure quite how this would fit into the current sequence, but it might allow some further rebellion...


It's a hell of a reach, but still, thoughts?

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BansheeOwnage

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paxxton wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Guys! I altered the pitch on the Rannoch destroyer. I can't make much out, there is too much reaper effect, It kind of made me think it sounded like a woman. I kept listening to it and the way it says Shepard at the beginning sounds like...


LiaraPosted ImagePosted Image

LOL. I want to hear that!

It reminds me specifically of ME1 when you can ask Liara that stupid question about asari mating with other asari. "Shepard, think about it." Probably just me but I'll upload it and you can see for yourself.

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D.Sharrah

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FellishBeast wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

snip...punishment as the devil...snip


snip...


snip..


snip...


snip...


The bolded section = Javik's comments about Leviathan if you ask me...you know how deep his prejudice against synthetics go (didn't like he so much after he suggested that I throw Legion out of the air lock)...


That is very likely. Javik was always a biggot.. xp

Though I can't see him being that spiteful towards a potential ally against the Reapers...who knows. This DLC is leak is just BW screwing with us so we don't eat them alive for the EC :lol:


Actually the info "leaked" is the crew's reaction to the mission or the aftermath...at least that what it seemed to me...it was kind of weird reading through the lines, the character's almost immediately popped into my head...if I had the link saved I would try to pull the dialogue out and match it to the characters...

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BlazingZephyr

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Damn, I come back, an see more of this "serve us/save us" business...

I fudging SWEAR there are three syllables *initiates broken record mode*

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BlazingZephyr wrote...

Damn, I come back, an see more of this "serve us/save us" business...

I fudging SWEAR there are three syllables *initiates broken record mode*



Sorry, it's two syllables. You can tell both by listening and looking at the cadence in the waveform. The first syllable has two peaks, but it's still just one syllable. Plenty of single syllables have more than one peak. That doesnt make it more than one syllable. 

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BansheeOwnage

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D.Sharrah wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

snip...punishment as the devil...snip


snip...


snip..


snip...


snip...


The bolded section = Javik's comments about Leviathan if you ask me...you know how deep his prejudice against synthetics go (didn't like he so much after he suggested that I throw Legion out of the air lock)...


That is very likely. Javik was always a biggot.. xp

Though I can't see him being that spiteful towards a potential ally against the Reapers...who knows. This DLC is leak is just BW screwing with us so we don't eat them alive for the EC :lol:


Actually the info "leaked" is the crew's reaction to the mission or the aftermath...at least that what it seemed to me...it was kind of weird reading through the lines, the character's almost immediately popped into my head...if I had the link saved I would try to pull the dialogue out and match it to the characters...

Same thing happened to me. It flowed so naturally between the characters. Solidifies my doubt that BW could write so badly. Here's a present:
http://pastebin.com/rHzNDedX

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TSA_383 wrote...


It's a hell of a reach, but still, thoughts?


I think I could be convinced to pay real money for this DLC.

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why would harbinger say "save us". I'm pretty sure it was quite clear he wanted shepard DEAD in ME2. that entire game he was talking about kicking my ass and telling me how weak I was.

why the sudden change save us obi-shepard, you're our only hope. jk BBRRRRRRTTTTT

#35863
D.Sharrah

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TSA_383 wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Hey guys. Did I miss anything?

Any cool IT stuff that was found in the EC perhaps? xD

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12777408/42#12888284

Arian Dynas wrote...

Deep, actually, the idea being that
The Harbinger and The Vanguard are still fuilfilling their righteous
duty of slaughtering the lesser beings, whereas the Leviathan chose
instead to defect, becoming a traitor to their ways... interesting.


This is where I think this might go from here, based on what we've seen:

-Mission on Aequitas/Other mining colony, reapers retreat when "artifact" is destroyed.
-A reaper (probably Leviathan) goes rogue, was able to break its AI shackles when said "artifact" was destroyed and rebels against the catalyst/harbinger/whatever AI controls the reapers and the remaining reaper forces.
-??????
-New possibilities presented by ending, due to the possibility of breaking the reaper consensus and allowing the collective consciousness of the species entombed within each reaper sarcophagus to regain control. Not sure quite how this would fit into the current sequence, but it might allow some further rebellion...


It's a hell of a reach, but still, thoughts?


This would be interesting...but I was getting the impression that the scientist that it refers to was working on an AI shackle for a Reaper...that shackle is what actually let's you gain Leviathan as an ally...but I could be wrong.

#35864
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I hate coming back to this thread, but here I go:
1)There are no reaper forces inside the Citadel?
2) They never mention that Shepard is the one that makes it to the beam. He or She, or someone has mad it to the beam.
3)Harbinger leaves,and no one cancels the retreat order.
4)No one from the ground talks to Anderson or Shepard about sending additional support.
5)How does Hackett know Anderson is dead?
6)I think Shepard gets hit by the beam, and Mass Effect 4's protag is the one that makes it to the Citadel, and fires the Crucible.

The ending does not make sense, because what they are saying is:
1)Inside the Citadel, there are power rods that can be used to control the Reapers, and a powergrid used to control the Reaperst. The Crucible is only linked to the Citadel. The rest of the equipment was already there. Why would the equipment be there?
2)The Catalyst said they were unaware that the crucible was still being built, but the Protheans stated the reason why they couldn't finish building it was because they were betrayed by people who were indoctrinated, How if indoctrinated forces knew of the Crucible being built, then
why didn't the Reapers know?
3)I could be wrong, but in the last dream in the extended cut scene it clearly has Thane and Legion talking about issues dealing with their souls. They are not talking about technology, or understanding.

#35865
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Boom, I was looking for this earlier.

But now, after what occurred on that asteroid, I wonder.


That is why the {i've found something!} noise happens a little way off from Aequitas, not over the planet itself.

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insomniak9 wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...
That's what I first thought, though after someone pointed it out several days ago all I hear now is "Serve Us." Anybody know how to clean this up or something so we can get some sort of confirmation?


We cleaned it up a few pages back. 

The most interesting thing is that played backwards, he says Shepard.

Wow, really? Now that is interesting. Not that surprising, though, considering it's Harbinger. Did anybody record the cleaned up version by chance?

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ZerebusPrime wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...


It's a hell of a reach, but still, thoughts?


I think I could be convinced to pay real money for this DLC.


Definitely ???->Profit! for Bioware.

#35868
HellishFiend

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insomniak9 wrote...

Boom, I was looking for this earlier.

But now, after what occurred on that asteroid, I wonder.


That is why the {i've found something!} noise happens a little way off from Aequitas, not over the planet itself.


No, it was because the Normandy tripped over debris

:P

#35869
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what is the point of this thread anymore people???? I mean I am a firm believer in the Indoctrination Theory it is my fan fiction ending but what is the point in this thread really anymore???? Bioware is to blind and proud to accept it.

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Meh the NewGamePlus save tells me that all teammates die if you choose Opt Out.
I guess this cycle is really doomed then.
And yes, EDI dies in destroy.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 30 juin 2012 - 08:36 .


#35871
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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Meh the NewGamePlus save tells me that all teammates die if you choose Opt Out.
I guess this cycle is really doomed then.
And yes, EDI dies in destroy.

What do you mean?

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chidingewe8036 wrote...

what is the point of this thread anymore people???? I mean I am a firm believer in the Indoctrination Theory it is my fan fiction ending but what is the point in this thread really anymore???? Bioware is to blind and proud to accept it.


The fact that IT is not dead?

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DrTsoni wrote...

insomniak9 wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...
That's what I first thought, though after someone pointed it out several days ago all I hear now is "Serve Us." Anybody know how to clean this up or something so we can get some sort of confirmation?


We cleaned it up a few pages back. 

The most interesting thing is that played backwards, he says Shepard.

Wow, really? Now that is interesting. Not that surprising, though, considering it's Harbinger. Did anybody record the cleaned up version by chance?


Wait, where is this cleanup? I went back at least ten pages and saw nothing of the sort....

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Meh the NewGamePlus save tells me that all teammates die if you choose Opt Out.
I guess this cycle is really doomed then.
And yes, EDI dies in destroy.

But remember that the game might set those flags based on your progress. With new DLC the flags might diverge in possible values.

#35875
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BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Meh the NewGamePlus save tells me that all teammates die if you choose Opt Out.
I guess this cycle is really doomed then.
And yes, EDI dies in destroy.

What do you mean?

If you either shoot the Child thingy or not pick anything everyone dies.