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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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#35876
insomniak9

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HellishFiend wrote...

insomniak9 wrote...

Boom, I was looking for this earlier.

But now, after what occurred on that asteroid, I wonder.


That is why the {i've found something!} noise happens a little way off from Aequitas, not over the planet itself.


No, it was because the Normandy tripped over debris

:P


+1 for humorous choice of voiceover.

srsly tho, Leviathan DLC on an asteroid above Aequitas.

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I have to say this. I love your sig so much B)

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paxxton wrote...

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Meh the NewGamePlus save tells me that all teammates die if you choose Opt Out.
I guess this cycle is really doomed then.
And yes, EDI dies in destroy.

But remember that the game might set those flags based on your progress. With new DLC the flags might diverge in possible values.

I just created a NG+ file for any ending. Doubtful that changes.
Opt Out is basically low EMS destroy.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 30 juin 2012 - 08:41 .


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I see everybody talking about the possibly Leviathan DLC, now i don't have the time to read much because I'll have to leave again, so if this has already been said excuse me.

What if, by finding Leviathan we find some way to break the reapers / help the reapers break free from Starchilds control? (Assuming harbinger really does say "save us" this would make a lot of sense.)
Then, with the gained knowledge, when facing the ending we have the option of somehow helping the reapers break free from Starchilds control, so that each Reaper can live within his own free will.

I think, if pulled off correctly this would make for one hell of a DLC.

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comrade gando wrote...

why would harbinger say "save us". I'm pretty sure it was quite clear he wanted shepard DEAD in ME2. that entire game he was talking about kicking my ass and telling me how weak I was.

why the sudden change save us obi-shepard, you're our only hope. jk BBRRRRRRTTTTT


Odd. I found it blatantly clear that Harbinger wanted Shepard to join him.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Meh the NewGamePlus save tells me that all teammates die if you choose Opt Out.
I guess this cycle is really doomed then.
And yes, EDI dies in destroy.

What do you mean?

If you either shoot the Child thingy or not pick anything everyone dies.

How'd you check that, going through the files to see what's flagged on a NewGame+?

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DrTsoni wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Meh the NewGamePlus save tells me that all teammates die if you choose Opt Out.
I guess this cycle is really doomed then.
And yes, EDI dies in destroy.

What do you mean?

If you either shoot the Child thingy or not pick anything everyone dies.

How'd you check that, going through the files to see what's flagged on a NewGame+?

Yes.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Meh the NewGamePlus save tells me that all teammates die if you choose Opt Out.
I guess this cycle is really doomed then.
And yes, EDI dies in destroy.

But remember that the game might set those flags based on your progress. With new DLC the flags might diverge in possible values.

I just created a NG+ file for any ending. Doubtful that changes.

But you still don't have all the future SP DLCs installed. They might give you more allies and War Assets and make Reject an ending where you win. Or it could be for IT in Mass Effect 4.

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[quote]ivenoidea wrote...

I see everybody talking about the possibly Leviathan DLC, now i don't have the time to read much because I'll have to leave again, so if this has already been said excuse me.

What if, by finding Leviathan we find some way to break the reapers / help the reapers break free from Starchilds control? (Assuming harbinger really does say "save us" this would make a lot of sense.)
Then, with the gained knowledge, when facing the ending we have the option of somehow helping the reapers break free from Starchilds control, so that each Reaper can live within his own free will.

I think, if pulled off correctly this would make for one hell of a DLC.[/quote]

I'd rather my suggestion was right, in that it's a total 360 of the series theme.

[quote]I wrote...

I posted about this earlier, if Harby shouts "Save Us", then it's really a double play. 

The Catalyst is their collective consciousness (apparently).Harby is torn]. I think in Leviathan we learn more about this from the rogue Reaper, who maybe reveals that Harby wants the same thing, to be free.

Shepard hears this, and knows that the only option in Starscene (Harbingers Indoctrination Construct) is to choose Destroy. 

The collective consciousness (aka the Catalyst) has to provide you with option to continue the cycle, as that's His solution (jump into his shiny beam and become Reapered); he is unaware (or only slightly aware) of Harbingers defection.

If you choose to fight the indoctrination, Harby offers you a way out; Shoot at the Red thing that looks mysteriously like me, and it'll symbolise your greater will, and the indoctrination will break. 
Go on to defeat (aka free) the Reapers from their hell. 

Javik in Leviathan: (paraphrased): "their greatest hell is sending them back to the abyss they came from..."

It's an ironic and artistic ending, because all through the Trilogy we're told the Reapers are trying to free us through our destruction; really it's them who will be freed through their destruction. 
O.o 

Modifié par insomniak9, 30 juin 2012 - 08:46 .


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paxxton wrote...

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Guys! I altered the pitch on the Rannoch destroyer. I can't make much out, there is too much reaper effect, It kind of made me think it sounded like a woman. I kept listening to it and the way it says Shepard at the beginning sounds like...


LiaraPosted ImagePosted Image

LOL. I want to hear that!

Here you go:

I'm probably hearing what I want to but w/e. I was too lazy to not change Shepard's voice. He's funnier now anyway.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 30 juin 2012 - 08:46 .


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Do you guys think that the EC has tarnished IT. Not in the sense proving it wrong, but in that if IT were true, would you have prefered to keep the more obvious plot holes intact?

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Guys! I altered the pitch on the Rannoch destroyer. I can't make much out, there is too much reaper effect, It kind of made me think it sounded like a woman. I kept listening to it and the way it says Shepard at the beginning sounds like...


LiaraPosted ImagePosted Image

LOL. I want to hear that!

Here you go

I was too lazy to not change Shepard's voice. He's funnier now anyway.


Lol for video background and 'Wait what'.

But seriously, I'm not sure if that's Liara's VA.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Meh the NewGamePlus save tells me that all teammates die if you choose Opt Out.
I guess this cycle is really doomed then.
And yes, EDI dies in destroy.

What do you mean?

If you either shoot the Child thingy or not pick anything everyone dies.

How'd you check that, going through the files to see what's flagged on a NewGame+?

Yes.

Oh, thanks for checking then. The result is a bit disappointing though. I wish they'd done Refuse like the other endings. They wouldn't even have to add anything else, just have it based on EMS so things were flagged differently in NG+.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Guys! I altered the pitch on the Rannoch destroyer. I can't make much out, there is too much reaper effect, It kind of made me think it sounded like a woman. I kept listening to it and the way it says Shepard at the beginning sounds like...


LiaraPosted ImagePosted Image

LOL. I want to hear that!

Here you go:

I'm probably hearing what I want to but w/e. I was too lazy to not change Shepard's voice. He's funnier now anyway.

Thanks but it doesn't sound like Liara. Anyway, Rannoch's atmosphere must be helium-based. Posted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 30 juin 2012 - 08:48 .


#35890
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MaximizedAction wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Guys! I altered the pitch on the Rannoch destroyer. I can't make much out, there is too much reaper effect, It kind of made me think it sounded like a woman. I kept listening to it and the way it says Shepard at the beginning sounds like...


LiaraPosted ImagePosted Image

LOL. I want to hear that!

Here you go

I was too lazy to not change Shepard's voice. He's funnier now anyway.


Lol for video background and 'Wait what'.

But seriously, I'm not sure if that's Liara's VA.

Yeah neither am I Posted Image

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DrTsoni wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Meh the NewGamePlus save tells me that all teammates die if you choose Opt Out.
I guess this cycle is really doomed then.
And yes, EDI dies in destroy.

What do you mean?

If you either shoot the Child thingy or not pick anything everyone dies.

How'd you check that, going through the files to see what's flagged on a NewGame+?

Yes.

Oh, thanks for checking then. The result is a bit disappointing though. I wish they'd done Refuse like the other endings. They wouldn't even have to add anything else, just have it based on EMS so things were flagged differently in NG+.

I'm a little confused. I've never looked through any files :P. So you're saying in the files when you start a new game it says everyone dies? Sorry in advance.

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Hey guys, forgive me but what is this about Harbinger saying "save us"? I don't remember that. Is it in the EC somewhere?
I've been gone for days, so I'm clueless as to any new information discovered. So what's up?

#35893
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BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Guys! I altered the pitch on the Rannoch destroyer. I can't make much out, there is too much reaper effect, It kind of made me think it sounded like a woman. I kept listening to it and the way it says Shepard at the beginning sounds like...


LiaraPosted ImagePosted Image

LOL. I want to hear that!

Here you go:

I'm probably hearing what I want to but w/e. I was too lazy to not change Shepard's voice. He's funnier now anyway.


LMAO Shep

#35894
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BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Guys! I altered the pitch on the Rannoch destroyer. I can't make much out, there is too much reaper effect, It kind of made me think it sounded like a woman. I kept listening to it and the way it says Shepard at the beginning sounds like...


LiaraPosted ImagePosted Image

LOL. I want to hear that!

Here you go:

I'm probably hearing what I want to but w/e. I was too lazy to not change Shepard's voice. He's funnier now anyway.

Lol Shepard's voice like that...Anyway, I don't think it's Ali Hillis, but I suppose anything's possible. It's hard to tell when it's so...Reaper-ised.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Meh the NewGamePlus save tells me that all teammates die if you choose Opt Out.
I guess this cycle is really doomed then.
And yes, EDI dies in destroy.

What do you mean?

If you either shoot the Child thingy or not pick anything everyone dies.

How'd you check that, going through the files to see what's flagged on a NewGame+?

Yes.

Oh, thanks for checking then. The result is a bit disappointing though. I wish they'd done Refuse like the other endings. They wouldn't even have to add anything else, just have it based on EMS so things were flagged differently in NG+.

I'm a little confused. I've never looked through any files :P. So you're saying in the files when you start a new game it says everyone dies? Sorry in advance.

When you start a NG+ it flags all of the choices you made in the file you imported so you can check what choices it thinks you made once you've saved by going through the game files. It can only be done on PC.

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DrTsoni wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Guys! I altered the pitch on the Rannoch destroyer. I can't make much out, there is too much reaper effect, It kind of made me think it sounded like a woman. I kept listening to it and the way it says Shepard at the beginning sounds like...


LiaraPosted ImagePosted Image

LOL. I want to hear that!

Here you go:

I'm probably hearing what I want to but w/e. I was too lazy to not change Shepard's voice. He's funnier now anyway.

Lol Shepard's voice like that...Anyway, I don't think it's Ali Hillis, but I suppose anything's possible. It's hard to tell when it's so...Reaper-ised.

Least it was entertainingPosted Image

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So, remind me again, why is a NewGame+ save storing data such as who is dead, if there's nothing after ME3?

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DrTsoni wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Meh the NewGamePlus save tells me that all teammates die if you choose Opt Out.
I guess this cycle is really doomed then.
And yes, EDI dies in destroy.

What do you mean?

If you either shoot the Child thingy or not pick anything everyone dies.

How'd you check that, going through the files to see what's flagged on a NewGame+?

Yes.

Oh, thanks for checking then. The result is a bit disappointing though. I wish they'd done Refuse like the other endings. They wouldn't even have to add anything else, just have it based on EMS so things were flagged differently in NG+.

I'm a little confused. I've never looked through any files :P. So you're saying in the files when you start a new game it says everyone dies? Sorry in advance.

When you start a NG+ it flags all of the choices you made in the file you imported so you can check what choices it thinks you made once you've saved by going through the game files. It can only be done on PC.

It's kind of weird it matters what choices you made if you're doing it again but w/e. How do you look through them anyway?

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 30 juin 2012 - 08:55 .


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BansheeOwnage wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Meh the NewGamePlus save tells me that all teammates die if you choose Opt Out.
I guess this cycle is really doomed then.
And yes, EDI dies in destroy.

What do you mean?

If you either shoot the Child thingy or not pick anything everyone dies.

How'd you check that, going through the files to see what's flagged on a NewGame+?

Yes.

Oh, thanks for checking then. The result is a bit disappointing though. I wish they'd done Refuse like the other endings. They wouldn't even have to add anything else, just have it based on EMS so things were flagged differently in NG+.

I'm a little confused. I've never looked through any files :P. So you're saying in the files when you start a new game it says everyone dies? Sorry in advance.

Yes, they basically save the state of the game at the end when the datapad pops up. In Control in my savegame anyone but Kaidan (died on Virmire) is alive, in Destroy anyone but Kaidan and EDI is alive, and in Opt Out everyone is dead.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Meh the NewGamePlus save tells me that all teammates die if you choose Opt Out.
I guess this cycle is really doomed then.
And yes, EDI dies in destroy.

What do you mean?

If you either shoot the Child thingy or not pick anything everyone dies.

How'd you check that, going through the files to see what's flagged on a NewGame+?

Yes.

Oh, thanks for checking then. The result is a bit disappointing though. I wish they'd done Refuse like the other endings. They wouldn't even have to add anything else, just have it based on EMS so things were flagged differently in NG+.

I'm a little confused. I've never looked through any files :P. So you're saying in the files when you start a new game it says everyone dies? Sorry in advance.

When you start a NG+ it flags all of the choices you made in the file you imported so you can check what choices it thinks you made once you've saved by going through the game files. It can only be done on PC.

It's kind of weird it matters what choices you made if you're doing it again but w/e. How do you look through them anyway?

Hex editor.