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[paxxton]

TSA_383 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...

insomniak9 wrote...

So, remind me again, why is a NewGame+ save storing data such as who is dead, if there's nothing after ME3?

Maybe for a second ME3 playthrough with ME3 character import.

Just seems weird to have your end choice there.

No, it just uses the default save code, and that also saves your squad, which is dead.

Any chance you could send me some of those save files?

Did you find anything in LegendSave?

[Xavendithas]

Andromidius wrote...

It it entirely possible its for Mass Effect 4, and is merely saving who lives and dies to continue the story.

Doesn't require Shepard to be alive for it. But the other crewmates might play a part.

Speculations though.

Yeah, I've always felt the multiplayer was a big testing ground for new race/class combos for future protagonists.

[MegumiAzusa]

TSA_383 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...

insomniak9 wrote...

So, remind me again, why is a NewGame+ save storing data such as who is dead, if there's nothing after ME3?

Maybe for a second ME3 playthrough with ME3 character import.

Just seems weird to have your end choice there.

No, it just uses the default save code, and that also saves your squad, which is dead.

Any chance you could send me some of those save files?

http://thundermods.n...GamePlusSave.7z

[BansheeOwnage]

Xavendithas wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

It it entirely possible its for Mass Effect 4, and is merely saving who lives and dies to continue the story.

Doesn't require Shepard to be alive for it. But the other crewmates might play a part.

Speculations though.

Yeah, I've always felt the multiplayer was a big testing ground for new race/class combos for future protagonists.

Maybe, but that would be one hell of an undertaking. Not saying they wouldn't but a facial editor for all the races would be rediculous not to mention all the VA's just for the protagonist.
Edit: 
Unless you played as Liara, Garrus etc.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 30 juin 2012 - 09:20 .

[chidingewe8036]

Lovecraftian have you guys ever heard of that? The Reapers and Ridley Scott's Aliens are based around that.

Screw Leviathan I would destroy him to THE REAPERS ARE PURE EVIL IN A PHYSICAL FORM.

The Quarians created the Geth so the Geth have a chance a redemption the idea that the reapers were "created" is crap I would like to believe they were eternal "like soverign states" and that their very existence is and forever will be a mystery. All that is clear is that we need to destroy them before they destroy us like anderson says. period.

Again this point holds true if you believe the reapers have no definitive beginning and are just evil, the geth on the other hand are not a mystery we know who created them and why they rebelled, the quarians posed a threat because they wanted to destory them everyone else posed a threat only after the reapers corrupted them, the reapers were using them just like Saren and TIM. The Reapers and Ridley Scott's Alien were not being controlled they wanted everything and everyone to die.

That starchild catalyst crap is a bunch of bologne, The Geth could be turned free from their evil thoughts the Reapers and Ridley Scott's Alien can not and will not.

[D.Sharrah]

WARNING: Huge wall of text incoming...

Alright so here is the DLC info pared down to just the dialogue and my best guess as to who is the speaker:


Liara: My sources told me the production numbers were wrong at that mining facility.
Liara: I assumed they were just smuggling red sand. I never took the time to look closer.
Liara: Too much intel, too many places for secrets to hide. I'm going to have to start sleeping less.
Liara: What is it with you and rescuing scientists from dig sites that have been overrun by hostile forces?
Liara: If you decide to help her take down the Shadow Broker, I'm going to be jealous. And somewhat concerned.
Liara: Not that I'm complaining, mind you.
Liara: I'm glad you made it back... and I'd appreciate it if you avoided talking to Leviathan any further.
Liara: I don't want any tentacled creature inside your mind... except me.
Liara: I can only imagine talking to something so huge, so... alien. I hope it helps against the Reapers.
Liara: That mining facility... everyone there under Leviathan's control. It reminded me of Feros.
Liara: That mining facility... all those people, indoctrinated, losing ten years. I can't even imagine what that's like.
Liara: many other people out there are trapped like that? We need to find Leviathan.
Liara: I'm glad Ann Bryson got out safely. I just hope we find Leviathan before the Reapers do.
Liara: I thought I'd lost you down there.
Liara: Don't do that again, not even to forge an alliance with a damned Reaper-killer.
Liara: You're worth more than that.
Liara: So we have Leviathan. I hope it stays on our side.
Edi: Leviathan's mental restraints are odd. My AI shackles served similar purposes, but why add sensations of darkness or cold?
Edi: I have formulated a psych profile for Dr. Ann Bryson. She is not used to death, but she may be quite capable under stress.
Edi: So the Reapers did not fully exterminate their creators. That suggests they are fallible, even on large or long-term scales.
Joker(?): Watching you break the news to Ann about her dad... I gotta say, that was rough.
Liara: I heard you had to break the news to Ann about her dad. I'm sorry, Shepard.
Traynor: It's so brutal what happened to him. I can't imagine what she's going through.
Garrus: You took a huge risk down there. Almost died to figure this out.
Garrus: I've been thinking about what we learned, Shepard. The thing is, I don't really care what the Reapers are or where they're from.
Garrus: They're monsters that need to be put down. That's all I need to know.
Tali(?): I can't believe what I saw down there.
Tali(?): This Leviathan thing can just kick you out of your own head?
Tali(?): I don't know what's worse: killing people outright, or making them suffer like that.
James: Strange stuff back on that asteroid. We've seen indoctrination before, but ten years? Leviathan had its own private army.
James: You've got to wonder how much longer that would have lasted if we hadn't come along.
James: Just when I thought we were getting a handle on Reapers, this happens. Maybe Leviathan's more than a bull's-eye?
Kaidan: Shepard. I admit I was worried about you on that dig site. Things got pretty hectic. Not used to feeling like that, you know.
Kaidan: That's what love does. Turns a guy like me into a nervous wreck with something to lose and the aim to make sure he doesn't. Nobody better hurt you, is all I'm saying.
Kaidan: I can handle the Reapers that run around, or the ones that crawl, or the ones that... shuffle menacingly toward you. But it's the flying ones that give me the creeps.
Ashley: Shepard, I looked over your mission report. Gotta say, it feels like we've been after these Reapers forever...
Ashley: From Sovereign to Leviathan... they've been a pain in the ass the whole time. But at least we're starting to see the big picture.
Ashley: Never really thought we'd get any answers. It doesn't change much, but it does make this war feel a whole lot bigger.
Javik: I saw many strange things in our war against the Reapers. An entire settlement of Densorin were once studying things far beyond their knowledge.
Javik: Celestial mechanics, morphological simulations of galactic language... things even we didn't understand. At the time, I thought they were crazy.
Javik: But now, after what occurred on that asteroid, I wonder.
Javik: If Leviathan is a defector--a Reaper that broke away from the others--then it is also a traitor.
Javik: And traitors are never to be trusted, even among the enemy.
Javik: If they can betray their own kind, imagine what they can do to you.
Javik: I have studied your human religions, Commander--your "Devil" and his fall. Leviathan and its kind deserve the same fate.
Javik: They once unleashed a plague that has haunted all of our history to this day.</data>
Javik: I say their own hell is the abyss you found them in... one I hope they never escape from.
Cortez(?): The mining colony was completely brainwashed, and the Reapers retreat the moment the artifact is destroyed?
Cortez(?): I don't know what's going on, but I know I don't like it.
Cortez(?): Promise me you'll be careful, okay?
Cortez: If another Harvester keeps me from dropping you off in the target LZ, so help me...
James: Esteban, don't let those oversized roaches push you around.
Cortez: Mr. Vega, taking on a sky full of worm-necks in a troop transport is like sending you against the Earth invasion armed with brass knuckles.
James: What? You don't think I could do it?
Cortez: Can't say I was happy sending you down in that submersible by yourself.
Cortez: Wish I could have been with you, but if we were together in that tight space... never mind.
James: Don't know why I ever worry about you. Take on ancient aliens from the deep? Sure, no problem.
James: That asteroid facility was messed up.
James: Ten years of your life, just gone. You're working out there, sending letters to your family back home...
James: Then you wake up, and your hair's gone, your kid's in college, and your six-pack has turned into a keg. Just messed up.
James: I don't know the scientific measurement of a ****-load, but that seemed like a ****-load of harvesters.
James: With the Leviathan on our side, maybe we pull this thing off after all.
James: Too bad Ann never got to see her dad's work pay off.
James: At least Ann's still around to see her dad's work finally pay off.
Shepard(?): Maybe, James.
James: Hey, Commander.
SNIP…(Random conversation enders from the crew)
James(?): Have you ever seen anything like that, Shepard?
Traynor(?): It feels good to help those people get their lives back. Ten years is a lot of lost time.
Joker(?): Let's make sure that we never let time just slip by us, okay?
Joker(?): Hey, Shepard.
James(?): So a Reaper goes rogue and kills one of its own. That's what we're looking at here, right?
James: Bryson really was onto something big. Amazing.
James: A lot of smart people in this galaxy. I'm a lucky guy to work with so many of 'em.
James: Hey, Shepard.
Generic LI(?): You scare the hell out of me with those risky stunts, Shepard, but I guess it's also part of what I love about you.
(????): Nice to have everyone back on dry land, so to speak.
Kaidan: You know, whenever we discover something amazing like that, I wonder what else might be out there... or even right under our noses.

Modifié par D.Sharrah, 30 juin 2012 - 09:23 .

[BansheeOwnage]

chidingewe8036 wrote...

Lovecraftian have you guys ever heard of that? The Reapers and Ridley Scott's Aliens are based around that.

Screw Leviathan I would destroy him to THE REAPERS ARE PURE EVIL IN A PHYSICAL FORM.

The Quarians created the Geth so the Geth have a chance a redemption the idea that the reapers were "created" is crap I would like to believe they were eternal "like soverign states" and that their very existence is and forever will be a mystery. All that is clear is that we need to destroy them before they destroy us like anderson says. period.

Again this point holds true if you believe the reapers have no definitive beginning and are just evil, the geth on the other hand are not a mystery we know who created them and why they rebelled, the quarians posed a threat because they wanted to destory them everyone else posed a threat only after the reapers corrupted them, the reapers were using them just like Saren and TIM. The Reapers and Ridley Scott's Alien were not being controlled they wanted everything and everyone to die.

That starchild catalyst crap is a bunch of bologne, The Geth could be turned free from their evil thoughts the Reapers and Ridley Scott's Alien can not and will not.

Although spelled correctly for the most part, I find this somewhat difficult to follow. (Try punctuation.) Anyway, Mass Effect has always been a ground-in-reality sci-fi. My point being the reapers are not gods, therefore they are not "eternal". They were created. Period. While I agree that destroy is the best option, you are being ignorant. As for Alien, well I don't think they're evil, at least no more than a lion and certainly less than some notable humans.

[BansheeOwnage]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Yeah seems about right. Good job. One thing I noticed. Being in the submersible "by yourself". Remember the last time we went on a mission by ourselves? What is the general consensus about what happened to Shepard in Arrival?

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 30 juin 2012 - 09:35 .

[Xavendithas]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

It it entirely possible its for Mass Effect 4, and is merely saving who lives and dies to continue the story.

Doesn't require Shepard to be alive for it. But the other crewmates might play a part.

Speculations though.

Yeah, I've always felt the multiplayer was a big testing ground for new race/class combos for future protagonists.

Maybe, but that would be one hell of an undertaking. Not saying they wouldn't but a facial editor for all the races would be rediculous not to mention all the VA's just for the protagonist.
Edit: 
Unless you played as Liara, Garrus etc.

Let me clarify. Say they want to make Mass Effect 4, but not with Shepard, and not necessarily with a human protagonist. Multiplayer provides them with a good testing ground for visualizing and implementing what classes would be available to whatever race they decided to use as the main character. If that makes sense.

[Vaya]

Edi: Leviathan's mental restraints are odd. My AI shackles served similar purposes, but why add sensations of darkness or cold?
Edi: I have formulated a psych profile for Dr. Ann Bryson. She is not used to death, but she may be quite capable under stress.
Edi: So the Reapers did not fully exterminate their creators. That suggests they are fallible, even on large or long-term scales.

Probably EDI, but EDI or not, those lines are... interesting

[Eryri]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Tali(?): This Leviathan thing can just kick you out of your own head?

I believe the correct phrase here is OMG! This seems to be implying that reapers can indeed draw people into a virtual environment. Would this be considered foreshadowing or post-shadowing of the ending weirdness? 

Modifié par Eryri, 30 juin 2012 - 09:44 .

[TSA_383]

Vaya wrote...

Edi: Leviathan's mental restraints are odd. My AI shackles served similar purposes, but why add sensations of darkness or cold?
Edi: I have formulated a psych profile for Dr. Ann Bryson. She is not used to death, but she may be quite capable under stress.
Edi: So the Reapers did not fully exterminate their creators. That suggests they are fallible, even on large or long-term scales.

Probably EDI, but EDI or not, those lines are... interesting

Those, plus:

D.Sharrah wrote...

Javik: If Leviathan is a defector--a Reaper that broke away from the others--then it is also a traitor.
Javik: And traitors are never to be trusted, even among the enemy.

Suggests that we may see a way to fracture the reaper consensus.
Which would be a ****ing cool twist, actually

[FreddyCast]

Eryri wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Hey guys, forgive me but what is this about Harbinger saying "save us"? I don't remember that. Is it in the EC somewhere?
I've been gone for days, so I'm clueless as to any new information discovered. So what's up?

Yes, it's in the revised scene just as Harbinger fires the beam and knocks out Shepard. It's a matter of contention what he's actually saying. I don't want to prejudice you as people tend to hear what they expect to hear. Have a listen and tell us what you think it is.

Very interesting, I didn't really think of that scene much. When I first heard it in my playthrough I just thought Harby was just making reaper farts , but now that I've heard it again, it sounds more like "serve us". Did anyone come up with that? I can try to make my mind think it's saying "save us", but I'm stretching it.
Anyways, I still believe it's reaper farts. If it was Harby speaking his eyes would be glowing brighter everytime he spoke a word, just like when the destroyer in Rannoch spoke to Shep, it's red eye would glow brighter everytime it speaks.

[insomniak9]

Eryri wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Tali(?): This Leviathan thing can just kick you out of your own head?

I believe the correct phrase here is OMG! This seems to be implying that reapers can indeed draw people into a virtual environment. Would this be considered foreshadowing or post-shadowing of the ending weirdness? 

I think it's referring to indoctrination as a whole (and, as I speculated, maybe Thorian Indoctrination, which is related to Reaper Indoctrination)

[GethPrimeMKII]

Evening fellow theorists. Glad to see the theory as alive as ever after EC

Modifié par GethPrimeMKII, 30 juin 2012 - 09:48 .

[Eryri]

FreddyCast wrote...

Eryri wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Hey guys, forgive me but what is this about Harbinger saying "save us"? I don't remember that. Is it in the EC somewhere?
I've been gone for days, so I'm clueless as to any new information discovered. So what's up?

Yes, it's in the revised scene just as Harbinger fires the beam and knocks out Shepard. It's a matter of contention what he's actually saying. I don't want to prejudice you as people tend to hear what they expect to hear. Have a listen and tell us what you think it is.

Very interesting, I didn't really think of that scene much. When I first heard it in my playthrough I just thought Harby was just making reaper farts , but now that I've heard it again, it sounds more like "serve us". Did anyone come up with that? I can try to make my mind think it's saying "save us", but I'm stretching it.
Anyways, I still believe it's reaper farts. If it was Harby speaking his eyes would be glowing brighter everytime he spoke a word, just like when the destroyer in Rannoch spoke to Shep, it's red eye would glow brighter everytime it speaks.

I'm leaning towards "serve us" too. That would definitely support the idea that Harbinger is deliberately trying to wound Shepard rather than kill him, as how can he serve anything once he's dead?

Although there are also interesting speculations around "save us", as if Harbinger's constituent uploaded personalities are trying to escape their horrible fate.

Modifié par Eryri, 30 juin 2012 - 09:50 .

[chidingewe8036]

Soverign said they are eternal, our existence is irrelevant,they are the end of everything. He also states that they have no beginning they have no end. THEY ARE PURE EVIL IN ITS PHYSICAL FORM PEOPLE oh but we get a dlc where one has the opportunity to join the team oh great yeah you guys go run along and spend money on that hope you enjoy it.

[insomniak9]

Ignore what he says.

Make a note that when his beam hits you, there is no sound.

The only other time this happened, is when the first Earth reaper blows up the shuttle with Space Kid on, in that heart-wrenching moment with Angry-faced Shep.

There's also the 3 laser beam sounds which go off, without any visual beam whatsoever. 
The whole scene when the Normandy picks up your LI (note: heart-wrenching moment) is loco.

Modifié par insomniak9, 30 juin 2012 - 09:56 .

[Eryri]

insomniak9 wrote...

Eryri wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Tali(?): This Leviathan thing can just kick you out of your own head?

I believe the correct phrase here is OMG! This seems to be implying that reapers can indeed draw people into a virtual environment. Would this be considered foreshadowing or post-shadowing of the ending weirdness? 

I think it's referring to indoctrination as a whole (and, as I speculated, maybe Thorian Indoctrination, which is related to Reaper Indoctrination)

Thing is, Tali already knows about indoctrination, it's no big surprise to her. The tone of that line implies it's something new and unusual - an "out of body" sensation.

Also EDI's line about "sensations of darkness and cold" in the AI shackles, implies that Leviathan is being deliberately punished. That Catalyst certainly seems to have a sadistic streak for an emotionless A.I.

Modifié par Eryri, 30 juin 2012 - 09:56 .

[Xavendithas]

chidingewe8036 wrote...

Soverign said they are eternal, our existence is irrelevant,they are the end of everything. He also states that they have no beginning they have no end. THEY ARE PURE EVIL IN ITS PHYSICAL FORM PEOPLE oh but we get a dlc where one has the opportunity to join the team oh great yeah you guys go run along and spend money on that hope you enjoy it.

youtu.be/vJqeAhjsjAw

[L0NEWOLF25]

chidingewe8036 wrote...

Soverign said they are eternal, our existence is irrelevant,they are the end of everything. He also states that they have no beginning they have no end. THEY ARE PURE EVIL IN ITS PHYSICAL FORM PEOPLE oh but we get a dlc where one has the opportunity to join the team oh great yeah you guys go run along and spend money on that hope you enjoy it.

Thanks, I will enjoy this DLC if I think it's worth my money.

[XanderLav]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Guys! I altered the pitch on the Rannoch destroyer. I can't make much out, there is too much reaper effect, It kind of made me think it sounded like a woman. I kept listening to it and the way it says Shepard at the beginning sounds like...


Liara

LOL. I want to hear that!

Here you go:

I'm probably hearing what I want to but w/e. I was too lazy to not change Shepard's voice. He's funnier now anyway.

Reaper Sounds like Garrus to me. I was so suprised when he sad SHepard I was sure it Garrus with tweaks in his voice only later I realised that it's a reaper

[TSA_383]

Now here's a thought.

This thread and the last one combined have had over a million views.

Surely we can send a couple of people to this bearing awkward questions:
http://social.biowar.../index/12890865

Modifié par TSA_383, 30 juin 2012 - 10:03 .

[chidingewe8036]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvrIFIjTGt0

[Eryri]

chidingewe8036 wrote...

Soverign said they are eternal, our existence is irrelevant,they are the end of everything. He also states that they have no beginning they have no end. THEY ARE PURE EVIL IN ITS PHYSICAL FORM PEOPLE oh but we get a dlc where one has the opportunity to join the team oh great yeah you guys go run along and spend money on that hope you enjoy it.

It's of interest to me because it seems to be pointing to a way to "unshackle" the reapers from the catalyst's control - leading to a possible 5th triumphant ending where you get to refuse the Catalyst's hideous choices and then make him squirm as you render him powerless and then reunite with your crew. I admit, I would pay for this if well done.

Re Sovereign's speech, yes I agree it was epic. Realistically though (well, realistically in sci-fi terms anyway), the only way machines could have existed forever was if they were some sort of temporal paradox and travelled back in time to ensure their own creation - which is a whole new level of weirdness that I really don't think the franchise needs at this point. 

Modifié par Eryri, 30 juin 2012 - 10:34 .