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[DirtyPhoenix]

I saw a supposed leak some pages ago.. posted by TSA maybe. Has that been denied yet?

[EpyonX3]

prettz wrote...


a lot of the time with the geth I think they are Reaper cables, also it's not just the eyes of Shepard. you can see Reaper like cables in the cheeks as well, take a look

The file name for those cables are Geth Cables.

Also, is this picture before Shepard's skin dissovles or after?

[DirtyPhoenix]

EpyonX3 wrote...

prettz wrote...


a lot of the time with the geth I think they are Reaper cables, also it's not just the eyes of Shepard. you can see Reaper like cables in the cheeks as well, take a look

The file name for those cables are Geth Cables.

Also, is this picture before Shepard's skin dissovles or after?

I don't think they are reaper cables, just exposed muscles. It looks the worst in control :'(

[JasonSic]

pirate1802 wrote...

I saw a supposed leak some pages ago.. posted by TSA maybe. Has that been denied yet?

Leak about what?

[plfranke]

So in an interview about the extended cut Lance Henriksen said that there was a problem with the abruptness of the ending. He said that normally when the player loses the game just ends and players didn't like that. The only way the player could lose with the current endings is indoctrination no?

[paxxton]

JasonSic wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

I saw a supposed leak some pages ago.. posted by TSA maybe. Has that been denied yet?

Leak about what?

I think he means the clues that BioWare released in 2010.
http://social.biowar.../index/12159086

Modifié par paxxton, 21 mai 2012 - 06:39 .

[Bill Casey]

pirate1802 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

prettz wrote...


a lot of the time with the geth I think they are Reaper cables, also it's not just the eyes of Shepard. you can see Reaper like cables in the cheeks as well, take a look

The file name for those cables are Geth Cables.

Also, is this picture before Shepard's skin dissovles or after?

I don't think they are reaper cables, just exposed muscles. It looks the worst in control :'(

I don't think the muscles would be expressed with vertical lines...

[HellishFiend]

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

What the anti-IT people propose instead of IT? Just that BioWare failed everyone?

I think most of them are just engaging in angry mob bandwagon mentality, to be honest. Most of them are probably closet IT supporters, or closet optimists. If you've dealt with kids and teenagers enough, you learn to pick up on when they are using anger as a defense mechanism against being hurt (hell, even adults do it sometimes). Granted, its harder to pick up on that on an internet forum, but it still feels like that's what is going on here. 

I should add that one of the reasons it feels like that is what's happening is because, well, theyre still HERE. If they were just pissed at Bioware and felt there was no chance of redemption for them (as they claim), they would have already made their peace and moved on by now. Instead, theyre still here, continuing to register displeasure and frustration. That suggests to me that theyre secretly (perhaps even unknowingly) holding on to the hope that Bioware wont let them down in the end. 

That's quite an analytical explanation. If that's the case, they should convert themselves to ITists - it will give them true hope. Otherwise, they're in for a disappointment if they want to force BioWare to throw the current ending out the airlock. On the other hand, how shocking it would be for ITists if IT was rejected officially by BioWare. I guess for many the roles would switch in that situation.

Indeed. Unfortunately it doesnt do much good to try to talk someone into being optimistic on an internet forum. It generally requires personal interaction to get someone to lower their angry defense against being hurt. I've had to crack that before in a couple of very difficult cases, and it's not easy. 

And yeah, if IT is wrong, I'm probably going to be in mourning over it for awhile.... and I'll probly stay away from this forum in the process, too. I dont think that's going to be the case, though. 

[JasonSic]

Bill Casey wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

prettz wrote...


a lot of the time with the geth I think they are Reaper cables, also it's not just the eyes of Shepard. you can see Reaper like cables in the cheeks as well, take a look

The file name for those cables are Geth Cables.

Also, is this picture before Shepard's skin dissovles or after?

I don't think they are reaper cables, just exposed muscles. It looks the worst in control :'(

I don't think the muscles would be expressed with vertical lines...

But couldn't the cable-like things just be from Project Lazarus?

Modifié par JasonSic, 21 mai 2012 - 06:39 .

[blooregard]

prettz wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...



I've always found that curious about the ending. The Pro-IT in me says that this is evidence that Shepard has been indoctrinated and has turned into a husk.

The anti-IT in me says Shepard turning into a husk would be a possible side effect of controlling the reapers or synthesizing the galaxy.

My bigger question is why does his skin burn off and his body vanish right after? If he was turned to a husk, then his body should have remained.

Also, his eyes are the only things that are somewhat relatable to indcotrination. His skin does not appear to be the same as the standard pale skinned husk. It also looks nothing like TIM who's skin was made of circuitboard like material. 

Let's also not forget that the reaper cable pattern is not unique in the ME  universe. It's used by Geth and humans so it's not impossible that Shepard's eyes are implants of the same type that TIM uses. Yes I'm aware of the Renegade Shep eyes being a different pattern but this is a game where your gun changes in your hand in a split second.

a lot of the time with the geth I think they are Reaper cables, also it's not just the eyes of Shepard. you can see Reaper like cables in the cheeks as well, take a look

Thats...weird. There are also "Reaper tubes" in her eyes.

[HellishFiend]

prettz wrote...

could not find a good high res for Shepard eyes at each ending so I did my own.
so dose that look like reaper like cables in Shepard eyes?

*mind blown*  

Cue the dramatic chipmunk!

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

RaidShock wrote...

paxxton wrote...
Wasn't the Reaper IFF uninstalled during the retrofit?

I assume so. Even if it wasn't, I don't see how it could be plausibly applied to IT.

It wasent, EDI mentions she still uses it for copying the Reapers signature. Essentially it is what makes the Reapers unable to track the ship as to them it seems like another Reaper until they actually get close to see it is the Normandy. As the Nomandy then scans the Reapers get suspicious.

The Salarians also got their hands on the IFF as well as the Stelath System as seen in this War Asset:
"STG agents procured schematics of the SSV Normandy's stealth systems and
the algorithms behind the Normandy SR-2's Reaper IFF signal."
What did they do with it? They made stealth Dreadnoughts, Salarians ftw.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 21 mai 2012 - 06:46 .

[prettz]

JasonSic wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

prettz wrote...


a lot of the time with the geth I think they are Reaper cables, also it's not just the eyes of Shepard. you can see Reaper like cables in the cheeks as well, take a look
http://i.imgur.com/HGI7N.jpg

The file name for those cables are Geth Cables.

Also, is this picture before Shepard's skin dissovles or after?

I don't think they are reaper cables, just exposed muscles. It looks the worst in control :'(

I don't think the muscles would be expressed with vertical lines...

But couldn't the cable like things just be from Project Lazarus?

Its after his skin dissolves and while it could be from Project Lazarus that still vague but we have seen reaper cables homing out of husks in all races from all sorts of places.

as for why Shepard dissolves to nothing in the end, well if it's all a mental thing then it could represents that Shepard mind is no more:(

[Rifneno]

I know, right? Mind blown like Kelly Chambers' date.

[HellishFiend]

RaidShock wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

I originally tried to rationalize it that way as well BUT, take note that Shepard's cybernetic eyes are in the opposite formation of TIMs. One is three dots triangular formation pointing up, the other is pointing down. Debunked myself shortly after thinking this in the old IT thread.

Good point, renegade Shepard's eyes are indeed the opposite pattern of ending Shepard control/synthesis eyes. They still don't necessarily indicate indoctrination, in my opinion. Could just be used to show Shepard becoming "one with the machines" or something along those lines. Isn't the control ending labeled "BecomeAReaper" in the game files? I mean, if you take a literalist standpoint, then naturally Shepard's eyes would become Reapery if he was becoming one.

I'm a fan of the theory that the reason Harbinger has such a ****-on for Shepard is that he wants him to be the consciousness for the Human Reaper. the BecomeAReaper label on the blue ending, coupled with the "loving stare" that starbrat gives Shepard as he picks Control, leads me to believe that Shepard is giving in to indoctrination that will lead to him becoming the human reaper consciousness. 

[Rifneno]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

It wasent, EDI mentions she still uses it for copying the Reapers signature. Essentially it is what makes the Reapers unable to track the ship as to them it seems like another Reaper until they actually get close to see it is the Normandy. As the Nomandy then scans the Reapers get suspicious.

The Salarians also got their hands on the IFF as well as the Stelath System as seen in this War Asset:
"STG agents procured schematics of the SSV Normandy's stealth systems and
the algorithms behind the Normandy SR-2's Reaper IFF signal."
What did they do with it? They made stealth Dreadnoughts, Salarians ftw.

It is such a shame you only get something that magnificently awesome by being a Godzilla-sized douchebag.  

[HellishFiend]

Rifneno wrote...


It is such a shame you only get something that magnificently awesome by being a Godzilla-sized douchebag.  

The exception is if you're playing as a non-import Shep, because in that case you have Wreav, and Eve dies. In that case, its almost a guarantee that the Krogan will start a war if/after the Reaper threat is eliminated. Wreav sends Shepard an email saying he looks forward to being Shepard's enemy in the future.

The problem is, in most cases you do have to shoot Mordin, as it's difficult to get enough rep to talk him down before that point. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 21 mai 2012 - 06:54 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

Bill Casey wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

prettz wrote...


a lot of the time with the geth I think they are Reaper cables, also it's not just the eyes of Shepard. you can see Reaper like cables in the cheeks as well, take a look

The file name for those cables are Geth Cables.

Also, is this picture before Shepard's skin dissovles or after?

I don't think they are reaper cables, just exposed muscles. It looks the worst in control :'(

I don't think the muscles would be expressed with vertical lines...

Ahh I didnt see those vertical lines before.. I was talking about the horizontal lines. It appears there are cable-type things embedded in her muscles. Maybe her cybernetics from Lazarus project? Now showing because the outer later as burned off?

[Destructorlio]

Big Bad wrote...

If they really go to all this time and effort just to add back in deleted scenes, I think that will just ****** people off even more than they are right now.  Like you, I don't really care if IT is true or not, as long as we get a satisfying ending.  I just don't see how a few deleted scenes could provide that.

This. When asked if there would be similar levels of SP dlc for ME3 as ME2, Gamble said: "I wouldn't worry about it."

RaidShock wrote...

Gamble's comments at PAX also lead me to believe it is something along these lines.

 

The comments from PAX about the extended scenes just being deleted scenes are, IMO, MISDIRECTION. If you read them carefully, they actually go out of their way to be vague about what the new content is:

 

 
“To be clear, the extended cut is not a re-imagining of the ending or a new ending. We’re currently building it right now, our cinematics team is on it. Our writers are heavily involved. It’s coming together. 

We want to give more closure about some of the questions you have, and in general we wanted to give the players a sense of personalization with the endings. Many people mentioned that some of the choices they made in the game are not necessarily reflected in the ending scenes. We’re definitely going to focus on things like that. We want to make sure that when you see the ending of Mass Effect, you now have the information and context to be satisfied."

It’s more than just a few cinematic scenes. We’re happy to be doing it.
The dev team stands by what was released in the core product, and we’re very proud of it. It was important though for us to listen to the community, and a lot of that feedback didn’t come until the game came out. Once we were listening we decided to include the extended cut. It wasn’t in the game because we didn’t know there was such a huge demand for it, to be honest with you.
The indoctrination theory kind of illustrates again how committed the fanbase is. The thing is, we don’t want to comment either way, because we don’t want to be prescriptive for how people interpret the ending, especially with the Extended Cut coming out. We want the content to speak for itself, so we’re going to let it do so.

 

Obviously if they said: "Yeah the game picks up right where you left off." that would be as good as saying: "Yeah IT is true." which they don't want to do. But do I think the EC will have new playable content? Hell yes I do. Three months for a few extra movies? I don't think so. 

Big Bad wrote...

Also, I know you think that the breath scene is just an easter egg, but i just don't buy it. Why would they end Shepard's story on what is effectively a cliffhanger? If there is no content that occurs after the breath scene, then the whole EC exercise just seems rather pointless to me
But who knows? I am very much convinced that the ending feels so wrong because it was intended to be that way. I just wish I knew how long we are going to have to wait to get resolution to all of this.

I agree. The breath, the fate of the Normandy, the huskification after you choose Control or Synthesis, the 20 other clues, the radio silence from Bioware... it all points to IT. 

[blooregard]

Rifneno wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

It wasent, EDI mentions she still uses it for copying the Reapers signature. Essentially it is what makes the Reapers unable to track the ship as to them it seems like another Reaper until they actually get close to see it is the Normandy. As the Nomandy then scans the Reapers get suspicious.

The Salarians also got their hands on the IFF as well as the Stelath System as seen in this War Asset:
"STG agents procured schematics of the SSV Normandy's stealth systems and
the algorithms behind the Normandy SR-2's Reaper IFF signal."
What did they do with it? They made stealth Dreadnoughts, Salarians ftw.

It is such a shame you only get something that magnificently awesome by being a Godzilla-sized douchebag.  

I expected the Salarian councilor to get his act together after saving his ass for the second time and tell the dalatrass to **** herself and give you the Salarian support you deserve
Hopefully a future DLC allows you to get that Salarian support the dalatrass screwed you out of...at the very least allow you to watch the dalatrass get vaporized by a Reaper.

[Arian Dynas]

RaidShock wrote...

paxxton wrote...
Wasn't the Reaper IFF uninstalled during the retrofit?

I assume so. Even if it wasn't, I don't see how it could be plausibly applied to IT.

It was stated not to be, the IFF is still integrated, and is in fact part of why the Normandy is undetectable while scanning, due to the IFF and the Normandy's Tantalus Drive core, it is indistinguishable from a Reaper at long range, EDI states as much.

[Destructorlio]

HellishFiend wrote...

And yeah, if IT is wrong, I'm probably going to be in mourning over it for awhile.... and I'll probly stay away from this forum in the process, too. I dont think that's going to be the case, though. 

Word. I'm way too deep down the rabbit hole now. If IT is not true, no amount of awesome cinematics will fix the ending as-is. It's be like going through the shock of the ending all over again.

pirate1802 wrote...

Ahh I didnt see those vertical lines before.. I was talking about the horizontal lines. It appears there are cable-type things embedded in her muscles. Maybe her cybernetics from Lazarus project? Now showing because the outer later as burned off?

 

Hrm. Maybe, but it seems like pretty clear Husk/TIM iconography to me- which, again, points to IT.

[Rifneno]

HellishFiend wrote...

The exception is if you're playing as a non-import Shep, because in that case you have Wreav, and Eve dies. In that case, its almost a guarantee that the Krogan will start a war if/after the Reaper threat is eliminated. Wreav sends Shepard an email saying he looks forward to being Shepard's enemy in the future.

The problem is, in most cases you do have to shoot Mordin, as it's difficult to get enough rep to talk him down before that point. 

True, I never even consider non-import Shepard, mostly for the same reason I don't consider Wendy's for food: every single alternative is better.

But that email from Wreav would be fun.  *hit reply*  "Glad to hear that, Wreav.  So have you gotten back to your fertility doctor yet?  He's got great news for you!"

[HellishFiend]

Destructorlio wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

If they really go to all this time and effort just to add back in deleted scenes, I think that will just ****** people off even more than they are right now.  Like you, I don't really care if IT is true or not, as long as we get a satisfying ending.  I just don't see how a few deleted scenes could provide that.

This. When asked if there would be similar levels of SP dlc for ME3 as ME2, Gamble said: "I wouldn't worry about it."

I actually think it's possible that Bioware is planning an extensive DLC campaign for ME3. Maybe even record-setting. 

It would make sense, given the amount of attention they are drawing to the game. The ending controversy is generating tons of attention which would only be amplified by an IT-confirming EC. 

Then, if the EC really just turns out to be cutscenes that confirms IT, but does NOT wrap up the game, we're then set up to have as many major DLC missions as Bioware wants to put out. Siege of Earth would just be the beginning. The Reaper war could continue to be drawn out for as long as the DLC keeps selling. 

[Dendio1]

TIM eyes do not mean somebody is indoctrinated. It just means they have reaper tech.

Possessing reaper tech often leads to indoctrination, but does not always, as we see with EDI.

Benezia did not have TIM eyes, but was indoctrinated. This proves that TIM eyes are not a side effect of indoctrination.

Benezia did not have reaper tech and did not have TIM eyes. This suggests that TIM eyes are attributed to possessing reaper tech rather than indoctrinations.


Not saying that IT is wrong or right, but the eye evidence is debunked from where I stand.

Shepard being merged with reaper tech during synthesis/control is what altered his eyes rather than him being fully indoctrinated.

Modifié par Dendio1, 21 mai 2012 - 07:07 .